I'm not getting dragged back into this. You keep fixating on the shade comment, I have already stated more then once that my read came more from the interactions that followed, and you just dismiss that as not mattering. I don't really know what else to tell you.
And as much as everyone wants to act like I'm the Mathgate guy, after my initial comment, I've only been responding to KJ. And here he is yet again trying to drudge it up. Move on dude. I'm not wasting anymore of my life on you.
My no-context townie list starting with the towniest is as follows:
Tammy
Killjoy
Johnny
Highroller
Vaimes
Cantripmancer
Cuthalion
Slothful
From there are my more ambivalent reads:
Silver reads mostly town to me, but there is something off about his posting style that is giving me pause. Bur feels pretty townie throughout, but does seem to be avoiding making any splashes. And Tubba, I didn't like his initial response to LW coming out, but his posts on the subject after that felt genuine to me. Not much to go off of beyond that. I'm gonna say town on these guys, but more reluctantly so.
My bet for the scum team is Rhand, Az, Chad/Boom, and WMU. In (roughly) that order.
WMU and Chad haven't been around much, so this is somewhat just PoE. But WMU's post have almost entirely been asking softball questions that are unlikely to go anywhere. And I felt she overexplained her unvoting her RVS vote in a way that felt very unnatural:
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Sorry for inactivity these days, I will wait for the weekend to read through but from what I skimmed I saw Cantrip has just one post.
I hoped my RVS vote may bring me an idea of his alignament but I doubt it's effective after so much time.
The VC (post 164) showed him with 3 votes and I don't like this.
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Chad just had nothing posts, *****ed a lot about RVS, and than had that big catch up post which looked like busy work. That plus the reluctance to cast a vote after that post. It didn't look like he was trying to put pressure or get anything moving, just like he realized it looked weird that he hadn't voted yet and did it to keep up appearances.
Az's entrance felt like familiar townie Az to me, but that quickly fell off. I'm gonna barn...I think it was Silver who called it empty rhetoric. He's responded plenty to the LW discussion, so he's had the time to go into more detail, but just doesn't. And then not giving his reads, but just declaring that they are there is not a good look. I think he is hiding behind the game mechanic to avoid taking any stances. This all feels like classic scum Az to me. I haven't played with Az since, like I think Bush was still President. But I can't deny how familiar this feels.
Rhand has been posting a lot of fluff and joking more then hunting. Half his posts this game rub me the wrong way. Then bouncing from barning Iso to vote me without an explanation to the half-hearted push on Tubba, and then a lot of wasted energy arguing with Highroller. It all feels like he's trying to look like he's hunting more than actual hunting. Mostly a gut read, but the one I feel strongest.
I'll Vote:Rhand for good measure. I'm not gonna vote for Boom when he just replaced in. Not this far from a deadline. Could vote for Az or WMU if there is real interest there, but my wagon is the only one with any momentum and I don't super-duper think that's going to change.
There. I did the damn thing. I wash my hands of this whole affair.
I've fallen a bit behind, but skimming the thread I see we're still on LW. I would just like to say that I generally agree with where HR is coming from, but I also would much rather keep hunting mafia then elim a 3rd party. His ability is on the table and semi-confirmed, so he can't operate without our knowledge. If he uses it on someone we don't want him to use it on, we will know before he can pull the trigger.
I don't understand his motivations for coming out, which makes me suspicious, but when I read his posts they read as genuine to me. I'm inclined to trust my gut and believe he is telling the truth. So yeah, throw my vote on to the time-to-move-on pile.
On the subject of things that aren't going anywhere, it's obvious at this point we're not gonna be getting a sloth wagon going any time soon. I was really hoping Az would have something to ad to that, but he's clearly preoccupied(Congrats btw ). And looking at the posts he listed, even I fail to see how a lot of those posts register as anything.
I'm going to do some rereading tonight/tomorrow and see if I can get behind any of the other prospective wagons.
Now I feel bad fer nah votin' cropcircles when I unvoted Wisp but I was too lazy t' look back t' see if that scumread still held up 'n Iso beat me t' it 'n now he be gettin' all th' credit fer findin' scum.
Anyways, @everyone, iso Cropcircles 'n tell me why ye be nah votin' 'im when ye read it. Or jus' vote 'im.
Better yet, why don't you actually give a reason for your vote instead of just barning Iso.
@Iso: Your suspicion seems to come down to three points:
1. That I haven't been posting content.
I think my content has been just fine this game, and anyone can go back and look for themselves if they agree with you.
2. That I kept talking about math.
I would actually love a more concise accusation to respond to here, but the only reason I kept talking about it is because KJ was pressing me on it. So what, I should have just ignored him?
3. That you think my RVS vote was bad.
I'll pose the same question that I asked Sloth and never got an answer for: What would I, as scum, have to gain from a wagon vote at that time? It was RVS, there was no real pressure, it wasn't going to lead to a claim or elimination. I obviously wasn't trying to look like I was trying to contribute or look like I was hunting scum. It was a joke vote during the joke voting part of the game. What even are you accusing me of here?
You can clutch your pearls all day about how I'm not in claim range, but it really shouldn't be that surprising.
@Circles
what do you think of Highroller's post on the top of this page?
Well his vote on you for being non-town and his calling out of Sloth for wanting to cut the day short both track for him.
His push against GJ seems overzealous and he seems to miss the fact that GJ was responding to people and characterizes GJ as not letting up, which isn't really fair. And then he makes a good point about Bur, but then just kinda uses it to take another stab at GJ. Could just be overzealous townie, but it's an eyebrow raiser, for sure. Definitely something I want to keep an eye on.
Is there something more specific you want me to respond to?
It seems the best way to win with this role would be for no one to know about it. Which makes the decision to come out with it so early when no pressure was on you all the more baffling. To what end? To take the heat of GJ? Why would you care if GJ is taking heat? For all you know, he's one of the people you need to kill.
I think it would pretty bonkers to make this up as a mafioso, so I do believe you that you are neutral. But there's no reason for us to take the rest of your role at face value. Especially your win-con. The motivation just doesn't make sense to me.
We don't just disagree on the math, CC. We also disagree about the relevence of the four-pack that Silver proposed. And it doesn't make sense for you to still be doing, or at least you should have reconsidered your position here. If you think I'm town, then I really believe what I'm saying. But no, you're pushing your position still, in your discussions with Sloth, and using it against him as well. But not me, like I said, and not Silver, who was the first person who had this position.
So, if the position of [there are scum in Silver, Rhand, Bur, Crops] is scattershot and comes from a scum mindset, why are two of the people who hold it not scum in your eyes?
First of all, what Silver said was that "There's probably a wolf in the players who followed me onto Iso but I'm gonna town lean them all anyway," which is not shading anyone at all. There's no comparison there.
As for your stance, okay so maybe it's just me who got caught up in the math, but it doesn't change much. My vote on Sloth came after his response to my initial jab. As I've already stated, I read your responses as genuine whereas his read fake to me. So again, there's really no comparison.
You're framing this as though my vote is simply for that initial scattershot post, but it is not. It is for his response to the initial accusation. Sloth basically refusing to even have this conversation at this point just replying "no u" and scoffing the whole thing off pretty much solidifies it at this point.
@GJ: Actually I specifically said I didn't endorse leaving him alive until day 3, just that I was leaning town atm. But thanks for calling my statement stupid, that was very helpful. The bold text was an especially nice touch.
I'm not really interested in trying to fight this. Let's just get on with it.
Vote:CropCircles
Go Scum!!
And as much as everyone wants to act like I'm the Mathgate guy, after my initial comment, I've only been responding to KJ. And here he is yet again trying to drudge it up. Move on dude. I'm not wasting anymore of my life on you.
My no-context townie list starting with the towniest is as follows:
Tammy
Killjoy
Johnny
Highroller
Vaimes
Cantripmancer
Cuthalion
Slothful
From there are my more ambivalent reads:
Silver reads mostly town to me, but there is something off about his posting style that is giving me pause. Bur feels pretty townie throughout, but does seem to be avoiding making any splashes. And Tubba, I didn't like his initial response to LW coming out, but his posts on the subject after that felt genuine to me. Not much to go off of beyond that. I'm gonna say town on these guys, but more reluctantly so.
My bet for the scum team is Rhand, Az, Chad/Boom, and WMU. In (roughly) that order.
WMU and Chad haven't been around much, so this is somewhat just PoE. But WMU's post have almost entirely been asking softball questions that are unlikely to go anywhere. And I felt she overexplained her unvoting her RVS vote in a way that felt very unnatural:
Az's entrance felt like familiar townie Az to me, but that quickly fell off. I'm gonna barn...I think it was Silver who called it empty rhetoric. He's responded plenty to the LW discussion, so he's had the time to go into more detail, but just doesn't. And then not giving his reads, but just declaring that they are there is not a good look. I think he is hiding behind the game mechanic to avoid taking any stances. This all feels like classic scum Az to me. I haven't played with Az since, like I think Bush was still President. But I can't deny how familiar this feels.
Rhand has been posting a lot of fluff and joking more then hunting. Half his posts this game rub me the wrong way. Then bouncing from barning Iso to vote me without an explanation to the half-hearted push on Tubba, and then a lot of wasted energy arguing with Highroller. It all feels like he's trying to look like he's hunting more than actual hunting. Mostly a gut read, but the one I feel strongest.
I'll Vote:Rhand for good measure. I'm not gonna vote for Boom when he just replaced in. Not this far from a deadline. Could vote for Az or WMU if there is real interest there, but my wagon is the only one with any momentum and I don't super-duper think that's going to change.
There. I did the damn thing. I wash my hands of this whole affair.
I don't understand his motivations for coming out, which makes me suspicious, but when I read his posts they read as genuine to me. I'm inclined to trust my gut and believe he is telling the truth. So yeah, throw my vote on to the time-to-move-on pile.
MEANWHILE..................................................................................
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On the subject of things that aren't going anywhere, it's obvious at this point we're not gonna be getting a sloth wagon going any time soon. I was really hoping Az would have something to ad to that, but he's clearly preoccupied(Congrats btw
I'm going to do some rereading tonight/tomorrow and see if I can get behind any of the other prospective wagons.
1. That I haven't been posting content.
I think my content has been just fine this game, and anyone can go back and look for themselves if they agree with you.
2. That I kept talking about math.
I would actually love a more concise accusation to respond to here, but the only reason I kept talking about it is because KJ was pressing me on it. So what, I should have just ignored him?
3. That you think my RVS vote was bad.
I'll pose the same question that I asked Sloth and never got an answer for: What would I, as scum, have to gain from a wagon vote at that time? It was RVS, there was no real pressure, it wasn't going to lead to a claim or elimination. I obviously wasn't trying to look like I was trying to contribute or look like I was hunting scum. It was a joke vote during the joke voting part of the game. What even are you accusing me of here?
You can clutch your pearls all day about how I'm not in claim range, but it really shouldn't be that surprising.
His push against GJ seems overzealous and he seems to miss the fact that GJ was responding to people and characterizes GJ as not letting up, which isn't really fair. And then he makes a good point about Bur, but then just kinda uses it to take another stab at GJ. Could just be overzealous townie, but it's an eyebrow raiser, for sure. Definitely something I want to keep an eye on.
Is there something more specific you want me to respond to?
I think it would pretty bonkers to make this up as a mafioso, so I do believe you that you are neutral. But there's no reason for us to take the rest of your role at face value. Especially your win-con. The motivation just doesn't make sense to me.
As for your stance, okay so maybe it's just me who got caught up in the math, but it doesn't change much. My vote on Sloth came after his response to my initial jab. As I've already stated, I read your responses as genuine whereas his read fake to me. So again, there's really no comparison.
You're framing this as though my vote is simply for that initial scattershot post, but it is not. It is for his response to the initial accusation. Sloth basically refusing to even have this conversation at this point just replying "no u" and scoffing the whole thing off pretty much solidifies it at this point.
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@GJ: Actually I specifically said I didn't endorse leaving him alive until day 3, just that I was leaning town atm. But thanks for calling my statement stupid, that was very helpful. The bold text was an especially nice touch.