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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    Quote from TerRaine »

    Might be misunderstanding lagoon but it seems an argument of high quantity low quality. The side convos and comments aren't the problem IF you are also driving the game forward as you do it.

    Otherwise it's just...



    there's a lot of posts and words...but they don't form a cohesive gameplay.


    Fair enough.

    I don't really like... process information in these games the same way a lot of other people seem to? I tend to focus on logical fallacies, and behavior that strikes me as out of the ordinary for a majority of people.
    Like.... I have no idea what to do with this kind of thing:

    "I think a read of those games Isos with attention to details and ZDS's mindset would show Terry he is wrong, yes. Not to mention an Iso for an unknown player is just informative, not a proof for a scum read, and I can only say i have meta for players I played more than 10 games with to pull out a meta read solid enough to mention it and backing up a vote with it.
    I mean, isn't that meta read like he knew ZDS will flip villager? and he said he read those games just to show how involved he is in making a read and how not guilty of the misread is he? Please correct me if i am wrong.
    On the other hand, where is his meta read for me then, if he is into meta reading the players he is voting? Wisp linked a game, i could link 2 more. Just town games, but it's a start to check the way i am playing usually. He didn't even bother to ask about them."
    (Yes I know I'm using a Wake post I promise I'm not doing so out of a want to pick on them or anything, it's just the first one I found as I was clicking back further that showed the concept.)

    The instant people start arguing about old games, talking about metas, or just arguing in a long stream of posts my brain just turns off to whatever they're saying. I have little to no frame of reference to most of the stuff they're on about, and I don't like the idea of using metas in the first place because it seems to assume that people can't change/have a different mood going/literally anything else that might influence their decisions and general play.

    I have no opinion on anything like that except that it ends up being a wall of text fog for me. It's not useful as far as I can tell, so I ignore it. And the game so far has been at least half this stuff. I don't HAVE anything to comment on or make reads from for most of it as a result, it's just nonsense, the heck am I supposed to do with it?
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    ...Poor phrasing on my part, apologies.

    Why are said posts frowned upon, since it seems like multiple people dislike that I've been doing so?
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    Quote from gooLagoon »
    I'm kinda coming around to killing Triss tbh.

    I've been silent on him because I had a hard time townreading him in our one game together, and he died before I really had to make a decision one way or the other. I had him in my scumreads for most of the time he was alive.

    It just seems like he's doing a lot of posting to post.


    Lel. Any consolation, I don't think I've been universally townread in any game I've been in; though tbf some of those opinions were probably either scum trying to direct things, or town trying to keep maf confused as to where to kill.
    Also I've died by D3 in like half of them, usually as of after I did something weirdly accurate with my night abilities, so that was also amusing. XD

    Why are minor side conversations and comments, in a thread where they aren't actively derailing things, posting to post btw?
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    Quote from Jackrito »
    If i could shoot tonight it would be Triss tbh.

    Details as to why would be nice.
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    Quote from Deadbananas »
    Whats the difference to you between major town leans and town reads, I just wanted your top 2 town, but I guess I shouldn't get lost in semantics as my last act.

    Ah, so I'm a traitor to our lord then, darn, I just want to beat house elves and bully mudblood children dangit.



    Leans is that I have a general tone/behavior read of a player, reads is I have mechanical or logical reasons for doing so.

    Lol, well you do that already so you're good. XD
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    Dangit I italicized the explanation about Malfoy, blechhh.
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    Oh, Twilight, ok. Still gonna post this for completedness sake I guess?

    @Deadbananas
    ...Nooo, I said town LEANS, not town READS. I don't town READ anyone overly much right now.

    "Did Lucius die in the books? I don't remember, I think he was sent to Azkaban, which I think is the flavor for being yeeted so thats fitting."
    He and his wife abandoned Voldy because of the danger to their son Draco. Wasn't until the last battle though, after Harry Potter dies and comes back and Narcissa is sent to check if he's really dead, and lies about it.

    "Also you should join a game on smashboards sometime, I think I'll be playing there for a bit. "

    ^This tbf. Smile


    @TerRain
    "Did Rod just stop by to...

    *Stop. No. Come back.*

    about the vote and then yeet himself into the sun?"

    XD
    Sorry I'd be using the like system to be reacting to this instead but apparently someone ruined that a while back and I'm not allowed to.


    @Orange
    "Okay what the **** happened to my ads now holy *****

    I get the occasional weird one on YouTube but this site is next level

    Why the **** would I buy a plaid face mask with a hole for your mouth what the **** "

    Google just really likes you and wants to show you wonders. XD


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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    @Deadbananas
    "Trisscar - Their post about not trusting Axel because he said he hated his role but didn't ask to replace out gives major scum vibes, don't know how people seem to have forgotten about that, probably buried in all Wiisp's posts. They also have been less proactive than last game, but that part fits with them being upset at what they see as rudeness. I also don't like the post when I asked about their 2 scum and 2 town. They said Sloth and Orange for not making the thread a slog to read through, which is something a wolf can do equally well. "

    Explain major scum vibes please?
    I believe I said that they weren't scum or town reads, just (essentially) that they were the people who were either being unhelpful or helpful with their behavior. I do recognize that being pleasant to read does not equal being townie, however it is still better than not being such.
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    @JoeTerry "To clarify, I found Triss' level of focus on SK & 3P interesting because that's what scum can do to still seem sincere in their involvement and not just pushing fabricated cases on town or even bussing."

    The cases on SK and 3p are easier to parse mechanically because we actually have information about them. Not like any maf died N1 or EoD1 as far as we can tell.

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    @Sloth "Ok Trisscar's #2837 and #2838 are a bunch of nonsense with no game-solving or game-relevant interaction in it. In fact, he goes on a long, mildly interesting, but 100% useless talk about ad algorithms and Google???
    Uh... ...would scum be brazen enough to do that? Why would town do it though??
    #2841 is just HP lore with no attempt to tie back in the game...it ends with a semi-selfconscious statement that he's not really trying to scumhunt (?) and mentions there are two players that he isn't inclined to believe but doesn't name them. He later does when asked about it, but it bugs me: Why wait at ALL? Was he waiting from prompting? Also he didn't give reasons for it.
    #2864 seems to indicate that the read on WMU (and Kpaca) is because they're not nice? I'm not trying to be an ass here, I just don't see an alternative interpretation. Why is not-nice a scumtell? I'm definitely an ******** lol.
    @Trisscar: Do you have any not-feel based reads that you wanted to press but didn't because of thread environment? Talk about those."


    The ad algorithms bit was because someone asked, and I happen to know quite a bit about it. I also happen to like teaching people what I know. Pretty sure that's just a human trait in general.
    I was avoiding saying their names because I didn't want to start yet another argument, and slowing it down at least helps with the impact. Also I did in fact give reasons, but you may need to read my notes posts to see some of them. Also I was asked what my flavor-game thoughts were, and I gave them, not sure why you're focusing on this so much.

    As I was previously told in the case of another game: Causing other players to not want to play (or read) through stressful social interaction can be an effective scumplay because while scum have a chat of their own to hash things out in and a team they know they belong to, to act as support, town does not. It is also a *****ty way to play games in general, and the fact that we have at least 50 of the 59 pages so far full of that kind of *****ty play is pissing me off.

    Like I said, I think this game is either uber multiball (which would make sense flavor-wise), or it's full of town v town. I am susp of damn near every single person in this thread, and I'm likely to stay that way til people change my mind because I do not want to read through the history of this game again.

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    @Deadbananas "Their laissez-faire attitude towards who they will vote to be yeeted, and their kp roles fits in with what I'd expect of the other Carrow sibling role. I'm not sure on it, I just don't think people should be giving Jack town points for the shot. It makes sense for a 3p killer to make the kill and claim because it gives them an easy excuse if they are tracked to a kill later and is a shot that no one would blame them for."

    This honestly. Avoids or masks a majority of ways in which someone could be checked or tracked. I'd also not be surprised if Jack is actually town vig but I don't consider them confirmed or anything.
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    @WakeMeUp "If i am so bad that no one wants to play with me, i can stop playing and let a nicer person take my slot.
    Please let me know about this, everyone.

    I think my few reads are pretty obvious and so my presence is not really required, i will read the game and only post from now on if someone asks me a question."


    No.
    Interact with people. Play the game. Try not to be rude, and if someone feels you are then have them explain it. Learn things, don't fade into the background that doesn't help.
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    Of the interactions with others you have had in this thread that I remember, the vast majority are slightly rude to my sense of what is socially acceptable. When I pointed that out, instead of trying to figure out what I was looking at, you dismissed it as "not needing to be liked to play mafia".

    Except this is a team game, your rudeness has been pushing people who I assume are your teammates away from the game and you; and between you and the behavior of others, has made this entire bloody thread a massive slog to read through, and contributed to the lack of willingness to engage from apparently most of the players here. I spent the last several IRL days not wanting to call people out on things because I fully expected to get drawn into whatever flaming spat was going down at the time.
    Causing players to not want to post or engage means it's easier for mafia to win. Theoretically it should be not only a scum only play, but people in general should be mature enough to not purposefully attempt it in the first place. Instead between this game and one of the previous ones I've played, I've been given the impression that it's a method people will use while town for whatever godforsaken nonsensical reason.
    Which means that while I'd be reading you (and others) as scum for your behavior alone right now, I have to keep in mind that you (and others) apparently just play this game to win and will use whatever means to do so, even if it causes them to blackball you from future games they might otherwise participate in due to not wanting to deal with you anymore.

    Also it's a goddamn GAME people. I was under the distinct impression that games are supposed to be fun, not cause current events to feel even bloody WORSE just by increasing the amount of stress because people can't be bothered to act any older than 13 maturity wise. When a online forum game where people pretend to be magical terrorists trying to assuage a tyrannical snake faced psychopath is ending up generating actual flame war level arguments, there is something seriously wrong happening.
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    Quote from Trisscar »
    .....Hoooookay. Let's take this from the top.

    What culture did you grow up in, if I may ask, and what general area of your home country?

    Is this relevant for my AI?

    I get it's a social game, but while i choose to play almost anon (i knew some people may know me or guess my main) I don't want to give details about me until endgame. I already said, I am francophone, this may explain you that English is not even my second language because my second is French and culturally speaking I am far-off of most of the players who are Americans from what i know.

    The chit-chat about myself being boring, i wish from you to engage me game related.


    Wait what, no. I'm trying to figure out what kind of culture you came from so I can find a point of divergence of what is socially accepted versus not. Wut. XD
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    .....Hoooookay. Let's take this from the top.

    What culture did you grow up in, if I may ask, and what general area of your home country?
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    @WakeMeUp

    Quote from Trisscar »
    Quote from Trisscar »
    Wake, may I ask you a personal thing?
    How would you rate your fluency in English, assuming I'm correct in remembering that it is not your first language?
    I am not fluent in english. I kind of hate i have to use it because I can't express well my thoughts and i am limited by what i know.

    Fair enough. May I point out that quite a few of your posts have a taunting tone to them, and I feel that is not helping your case?

    My case? What means for you my case?
    Side note, i don't play to be liked, i play to find scum.


    *looks at your response*

    *looks at you*
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  • posted a message on Voldemort's Throne Room Mafia | Day 2
    You're welcome. Grats on getting through the Forbidden Forest that was this game's log. XD
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