Eheh, i thought there was a very complex system going on, given that you mentionned your biggest gap between sections being "a card and a half" ;). My bad.
[eddit :] And, if i may ask, what are your target numbers for each section ?
I guess the "points sytem" you are using is what kept me from figuring out your classification by myself.
Time to work on a system of my own (unless you want to explain yours in detail, but i don't want to clog-up this thread with my kind-of unrelated questions), and expand my 540-powered to 720 by adding some cool archetypes such as Persist and Polymorph :).
It's color balanced once hybrid cards and pseudo-colorless cards that get classified in the mono-colored sections are factored in.
Hi,
Long time lurker here. Sorry for the bad english, it's not my native langage; i'll try my best.
Wtwlf, could you please elaborate on the color balance in your cube? It is a very interesting way to put things and to open some design spaces.
I'm thinking of doing the same for my powered cube and i would like to understand it fully.
Sorry for the long post, i'll try to make it as clear as i can ;).
Looking at your cubecobra list, here are some asumptions on how you achieve perfect color balance, please tell me if i'm right.
1-
All the cards in the colored sections can be moved in the colorless section.
This one is quite obvious, as those cards are often played in any deck that wants them.
Examples: Porcelain Legionaire, Gitaxian Probe, Scrapheap Scrounger, Mox Ruby, Gaea's Craddle.
2-
All the hybrid cards count as both their colors, because they can be played in either color.
Examples: Rakdos Cackler counts as a red card and a black card; Manamorphose counts as a red card and a green card; Life/Death (although not really hybrid) counts as a green card and a black card.
3-
All the mono colored cards in you gold section count as their primary color.
Examples: Avacyn's Pilgrim counts as a green card; Najeela counts as a red card; Wild Nacatl counts as a green card, Soulfire Grand Master counts as a white card.
Now, onto some questions:
4-
How do you deal with the signets/talismans? Do you count them as colorless cards, or as both their respective colors?
Example: is Golgari Signet a colorless card, or is it both a green card and a black card?
A double off-color signet could be played in the artifact.dec for example, so i don't know how you see things there.
5-
What about cards with off-color flashback? Do they count as cards from their main color?
Examples: Lingering Souls is a white card, Unburial Rites counts as a black card.
6-
On cubecobra, only 3 cards (Aminatou, Nicol Bolas and Leovold) from your list are not labeled as "Played outside section". What is your design rule about your 3+color section as a whole?
7-
How do you count each of those cards?
- Sphix of the Steel Wind? (my guess: blue card -tinker.dec, and black card -reanimator.dec)
- Hellkite Overlord? (my guess: black card -reanimator.dec, and green card -cheat fatties.dec)
- Progenitus? (my guess: green card -cheat fatties.dec)
- Golos? (my guess: colorless card)
- the 5 Triomes? (my guess: they count as each of their 3 colors)
- Noble Hierach, Wild Nacatl, Warden of the First Tree, Soulfire Grand Master, Alesha, Najeela: alredy discussed above in 3-.
That's it.
Thanks a lot for your time, and hopefully i'll be able to get a better understanding of your classification system, and update my powered cube (expanding it to 720 in the meantime) using it.
[eddit :] And, if i may ask, what are your target numbers for each section ?
Time to work on a system of my own (unless you want to explain yours in detail, but i don't want to clog-up this thread with my kind-of unrelated questions), and expand my 540-powered to 720 by adding some cool archetypes such as Persist and Polymorph :).
Thanks for your time, and happy cubing!
Hi,
Long time lurker here. Sorry for the bad english, it's not my native langage; i'll try my best.
Wtwlf, could you please elaborate on the color balance in your cube? It is a very interesting way to put things and to open some design spaces.
I'm thinking of doing the same for my powered cube and i would like to understand it fully.
Sorry for the long post, i'll try to make it as clear as i can ;).
Looking at your cubecobra list, here are some asumptions on how you achieve perfect color balance, please tell me if i'm right.
1-
All the cards in the colored sections can be moved in the colorless section.
This one is quite obvious, as those cards are often played in any deck that wants them.
Examples: Porcelain Legionaire, Gitaxian Probe, Scrapheap Scrounger, Mox Ruby, Gaea's Craddle.
2-
All the hybrid cards count as both their colors, because they can be played in either color.
Examples: Rakdos Cackler counts as a red card and a black card; Manamorphose counts as a red card and a green card; Life/Death (although not really hybrid) counts as a green card and a black card.
3-
All the mono colored cards in you gold section count as their primary color.
Examples: Avacyn's Pilgrim counts as a green card; Najeela counts as a red card; Wild Nacatl counts as a green card, Soulfire Grand Master counts as a white card.
Now, onto some questions:
4-
How do you deal with the signets/talismans? Do you count them as colorless cards, or as both their respective colors?
Example: is Golgari Signet a colorless card, or is it both a green card and a black card?
A double off-color signet could be played in the artifact.dec for example, so i don't know how you see things there.
5-
What about cards with off-color flashback? Do they count as cards from their main color?
Examples: Lingering Souls is a white card, Unburial Rites counts as a black card.
6-
On cubecobra, only 3 cards (Aminatou, Nicol Bolas and Leovold) from your list are not labeled as "Played outside section". What is your design rule about your 3+color section as a whole?
7-
How do you count each of those cards?
- Sphix of the Steel Wind? (my guess: blue card -tinker.dec, and black card -reanimator.dec)
- Hellkite Overlord? (my guess: black card -reanimator.dec, and green card -cheat fatties.dec)
- Progenitus? (my guess: green card -cheat fatties.dec)
- Golos? (my guess: colorless card)
- the 5 Triomes? (my guess: they count as each of their 3 colors)
- Noble Hierach, Wild Nacatl, Warden of the First Tree, Soulfire Grand Master, Alesha, Najeela: alredy discussed above in 3-.
That's it.
Thanks a lot for your time, and hopefully i'll be able to get a better understanding of your classification system, and update my powered cube (expanding it to 720 in the meantime) using it.
Cheers!