My biggest problem with your plan is that I feel like it gives Mafia too much power. Honestly I think Wisp gets blocked regardless of Anak's alignment because he's always a misyeet possibility. He's always a yeet not on Mafia. I say we eliminate the variable. Yeet (Witted, probably Anak) so Wisp leaves and gives us a bunch of info going into night. It's not as efficient, but it takes less for granted. Requires the least amount of coordination and trust.
We don't need two scum dead tomorrow to solve this game. We need one, and more time.
But yeeting/shooting both witted is guaranteed one (almost certainly if i shoot there too, though it feels like a bit of a waste), and yeeting one and having wisp leave the game is not guaranteed any.
wisp, vaimes is town because he's been keeping village on track this game
the issue is that the village core has been like three or four people this entire time at most
wolf vaimes just doesn't care as much about getting things right past d1 as vaimes has shown d2 on
that's it
look at the people who are pushing vaimes and tell me what you think of them, knowing that there have to be at least three non-vaimes wolves
I never said I was wavering, I do like his paranioa, I'm just trying to make sure we are correct here, even tho both Anak and Tubba are in my poe, them being a wit plays a part for me, and I am assuming that the wit modifier was completely random, and am in no way, using it to scum read either Tubba or Anak
i understand that, but you're also giving the actual wolves fuel to push him
A-hem.
Vaimes, are we reading the same game? Despite his current situation, there's been resistance and alternatives to an Anak yeet that have been pushed forward all freaking Day, to the point I have noticed, and you know how little I give a ***** about other people.
In what world do you see this as the yeet just being "de factor" i.e. "people just allowing it to happen" / "generally accepted" ///// "Cool with scum?"
I'm serious, you've been saying a lot of bs toDay specially, but this is the ghost with the most. Explain yourself.
Ok, why on god's green earth do I have three separate people making noise at me about something so obvious.
Just because there's a vote spread doesn't mean Anak isn't the de-facto wagon. He is, and has been, every since people started linking him to Azrael. Az died hard-defending Anak, and we spent most of the time after that going "but is Anak actually town tho?" Do you think we're going to consolidate somewhere else?
@Cuth so should I just assume you're ignoring me, or...?
SLOTH!!!!
Not especially, I don't know. My ideal situation might be to just yeet one of the og wits but have wisp not on the wagon and then have him kill the other so we guaranteed get a wolf if we think that's a thing, but I don't know if enough people are around to coordinate that.
I mean that I've asked you questions you just haven't answered or even acknowledged.
yes, because they're either things I've explained already or things that require a lot of work to explain
which doesn't look like it's going to happen today
@Cuth so should I just assume you're ignoring me, or...?
SLOTH!!!!
Not especially, I don't know. My ideal situation might be to just yeet one of the og wits but have wisp not on the wagon and then have him kill the other so we guaranteed get a wolf if we think that's a thing, but I don't know if enough people are around to coordinate that.
I could maybe vote Sloth because I don’t think he really believes what Anak has done is scum-indicative, but I’ve liked him otherwise.
I keep flipping on Cuth and bessie. I liked bessie pointing out that he could be manipulating me into feeding him reasons to scumread her.
At this point I’m even considering rereading Tammy. When nothing makes sense it’s usually because there’s a big misclear, but I don’t think widening their POE is what we need right now.
in case you seriously think that line of reasoning is at all solid, here's what's going on big picture: given my spot in the game and who's been pushing whom, i feel like i have a finger on the pulse of a pretty small poe, and given the size even if i'm wrong on one person i don't think i'm wrong on all the people i see doing things like this
i have literally no reason to prompt you for reasons to dunk on bessie, you're perfectly aware of most of them yourself (i think there are not that many red flags as such but a lot of general direction/narrative context clues) and it's not like me not doing work so that i can have you do whatever and just vaguely hint is at all my style or would be that effective here
the thing i was specifically being cryptic about on sunday was how bessie/sloth/tubba have all responded to my suspicion, which I've pretty clearly established as being based on a more holistic perception of the game and votes and such, and been like "dude this is nothing you have nothing there are no REASONS" and like been super defensive and all "zomg how do you know it's four wolves" "lol this is ridiculous" instead of just ignoring me or actually try to argue that i'm a wolf for literally anything other than, well, not explaining my reasoning in depth to them personally upon demand
me not answering their questions is not because i can't justify them if i put the work in, it's because that grouping contains at the very least two wolves unless i'm super wrong on at least one of you/kj/tammy, and i'd rather spend time interacting with y'all and pointing you towards the things i see (i haven't done a fantastic job of this but sue me) than argue with wolves about pointless nothings, because obviously they're not going to agree that basically all of them have ingenuine and constructed progressions on basically all of their reads and have done little other than push villagers (and continue to do so in what could genuinely be mylo, and i pointed this out first), and have absolutely garbage explanations for why they're all pushing me/anak specifically over ANY of each other when there are literally four wolves and those people have been in the poe and not particularly villagery at all all game
literally the majority of my reasoning for having the reads i do, and i can promise this would not change
because we have wisp, who's basically somewhere in between a survivor and a sk, and no other neutrals make sense in this setup, and 3 wolves is criminally underpowered and five would be criminally overpowered
This is speculation. You said "and we know we have four wolves alive". How do you know we have four wolves alive?
And why am I scum? Explain your original reason for voting for me, without Wisp's or Vaimes's coaching.
if anyone's coaching anyone here it's me trying to get them to come to my conclusions lol
draw whatever conclusions you want to about my playstyle but so it goes
i'm not going to spend time arguing with you about why you're not a wolf, but i will explain to the rest of the thread why i think you are at some later point (probably when people are itt and ready to discuss things in depth and i'm not a zombie)
bessie trying to roast me over the coals for verbalizing the assumption that there are four wolves, which i think is pretty obvious at this point short of some really unusual game design choices
because we have wisp, who's basically somewhere in between a survivor and a sk, and no other neutrals make sense in this setup, and 3 wolves is criminally underpowered and five would be criminally overpowered
But yeeting/shooting both witted is guaranteed one (almost certainly if i shoot there too, though it feels like a bit of a waste), and yeeting one and having wisp leave the game is not guaranteed any.
the issue is that the village core has been like three or four people this entire time at most
wolf vaimes just doesn't care as much about getting things right past d1 as vaimes has shown d2 on
that's it
look at the people who are pushing vaimes and tell me what you think of them, knowing that there have to be at least three non-vaimes wolves
yes, because they're either things I've explained already or things that require a lot of work to explain
which doesn't look like it's going to happen today
Not especially, I don't know. My ideal situation might be to just yeet one of the og wits but have wisp not on the wagon and then have him kill the other so we guaranteed get a wolf if we think that's a thing, but I don't know if enough people are around to coordinate that.
the thing that i think would have followed is basically the stuff in the prior paragraphs
i have literally no reason to prompt you for reasons to dunk on bessie, you're perfectly aware of most of them yourself (i think there are not that many red flags as such but a lot of general direction/narrative context clues) and it's not like me not doing work so that i can have you do whatever and just vaguely hint is at all my style or would be that effective here
the thing i was specifically being cryptic about on sunday was how bessie/sloth/tubba have all responded to my suspicion, which I've pretty clearly established as being based on a more holistic perception of the game and votes and such, and been like "dude this is nothing you have nothing there are no REASONS" and like been super defensive and all "zomg how do you know it's four wolves" "lol this is ridiculous" instead of just ignoring me or actually try to argue that i'm a wolf for literally anything other than, well, not explaining my reasoning in depth to them personally upon demand
me not answering their questions is not because i can't justify them if i put the work in, it's because that grouping contains at the very least two wolves unless i'm super wrong on at least one of you/kj/tammy, and i'd rather spend time interacting with y'all and pointing you towards the things i see (i haven't done a fantastic job of this but sue me) than argue with wolves about pointless nothings, because obviously they're not going to agree that basically all of them have ingenuine and constructed progressions on basically all of their reads and have done little other than push villagers (and continue to do so in what could genuinely be mylo, and i pointed this out first), and have absolutely garbage explanations for why they're all pushing me/anak specifically over ANY of each other when there are literally four wolves and those people have been in the poe and not particularly villagery at all all game
literally the majority of my reasoning for having the reads i do, and i can promise this would not change
draw whatever conclusions you want to about my playstyle but so it goes
i'm not going to spend time arguing with you about why you're not a wolf, but i will explain to the rest of the thread why i think you are at some later point (probably when people are itt and ready to discuss things in depth and i'm not a zombie)
bessie trying to roast me over the coals for verbalizing the assumption that there are four wolves, which i think is pretty obvious at this point short of some really unusual game design choices