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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Magiqmaster »
    Damn, this is one of the most toxic post I have seen in a long while...

    Carry on folks, nothing to see here!


    You remind me of my cousin with down syndrome who covers his ears and starts to yell out "lalalalala" every time he doesnt want to listen to anyone.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Kamino_Taka »
    You know damn well that 2HG is mostly a pre-release thing
    If you say so then it must be true right? Yes EDH is the most widely played multiplayer format but that doesnt mean the others aren't seeing play. 2hg 3hg emporor and just basic multiplayer are the backbone of at least half the just for fun (aka casual but since you don't like the term :D) playgroups even if they don't play/enjoy commander. Until recently there has been 2hg in MTGO and there are still quite a few that dislike that they got rid of it.

    Ironic you called me the troll yet your reaching so hard here.

    I (and atleast one other Person) call you a troll since you a)Just made an account to write this b)Start with an inflammatory piece instead of a calm opinion piece just to rile people up and then get mad when people are riled up (AKA rile them up some more for that sweet sweet troll value :D) c) Make stuff up and when presented with evidence for the contrary claim that that doesn't matter anyways.



    At this point I dont think you have a point. Your arguing for the sake of arguing. Your projecting at this point since its clear that your trolling and you probably made your account to just talk garbage.

    And just because you disagree with something doesnt mean that its "inflammatory". Sorry that your offended that your most precious format is a massive contradiction but it is what it is. Its not my fault that its stupid. Blame WoTC and their backwards thinking along with neckbeard judges who were too bad at magic to come up with anything decent.
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  • posted a message on Wizards Keep Games Goes Out of Business or Why You Shouldn't Open a Local Game Store
    An LGS is basically a franchise to sell MTG and Yugioh product since both Konami and WOTC require you to have one to sell their products. Thats all that it is. From a business perspective, its a complete ripoff since the rent and overhead to keep the doors open cant compensate for the profit these games bring in. There are also a bunch of rules that wotc and konami have in order to get the wpn and yugioh tournament products. Its about as bad as opening most fast food corporate chains.

    If LGS disappears nothing will change. People will still have magic groups at libraries, colleges or go to big organized play events or just play with their friends. The LGS is already a failed business idea thanks to the death of retail and amazon. Wotc needs to forget about brick and mortar if they want to expand since thats so 1990s. Pokemon and every other tcg doesnt require brick and mortar and they do just fine. Its an extremely outdated business model and wotx is still stuck in the past.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Kamino_Taka »
    https://magic.wizards.com/de/content/formate
    Wizards seems to consider draft and 2hg a format also 2hg can also be played outside of draft and was first played outside of draft anyways.
    also
    https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Format

    You dont have to be competitive to not be casual either. Just because your not trying to engage in the professional side of something doesnt mean your casual.

    Casual aka just for fun that is my definition of casual which is also one of the main dictionary definitions of casual.

    This game isnt that damn serious yet people treat everything involved with it as its life and death, including your post.

    Would you say its casual Grin


    Ironic you called me the troll yet your reaching so hard here. You know damn well that 2HG is mostly a pre-release thing. I dont get why your persisting that its more than that since its not. Im sure theres 100s of failed magic formats or variants that nobody cares about that maybe because you played it one time that it means something.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Boyachi »
    I mean, horde magic should run two banlist, a “banned from the horde” and “banned from the players” it’s just that the official who made it didn’t want to bother with upkeep after its inception. I had a page but lost it after my domain hosts went belly up, but there are primers in this forum that would have the recommended ban lists.


    Next time I get to a non work computer I can send you the ban lists if you are actually interested.

    The best part about horde is the table works together. The horde should be built in a way that it just needs someone to move the cards, so it has no politicking just strategizing.

    Archenemy scheme cards are only used in archenemy. Planechase card’s are cards specifically made for planechase. Both are different sizes so they cannot even be used in a typical deck. You can even go all the way back to Vanguard if you like, as all players have to use Vanguard cards or none can.


    Cube drafts can use conspiracy type cards, where nondraft formats cannot.


    My TL;DR us this: I gave you a list of alternative ways to play multiplayer magic. Trying to help here.




    With all due respect, a majority of people dont play most of the formats your talking about. EDH is the only widely played format that is multiplayer.

    If I made up a format tomorrow called sausage fest big guys to where its 4 naked dudes playing a basement and can only use green decks, thats not a real thing that most people care about.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
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    Brawl is just standard EDH and the rest your describing arent formats. Those are different variants of magic all together. A format is when the card pool is changed. If I play a version of magic that involves no pants but the cards legal are not any different than standard, thats not a format.

    Then by your metric EDH isnt a format (Which is one point that annoyed you yet you decribe it as not a format)
    Officially EDH, 2HG are Formats but if the official definition doesn't sit well with you you should exclude Draft and Sealed as well as they are a different variant by your definition (technically Conspiracy Unstable as well)

    If you don't like commander thats fine not every format(or Variant) is for everyone. There are valid reasons to dislike EDH or even just gut feeling is ok. But don't make up nonsense stuff.

    EDIT:
    And like I said, if you been playing a game for 10+ years or for a reasonable amount of time, its not casual at that point.
    Casuality isn't a matter of time but intention if i do beer league sports for 10 years that doesn't make it competetive it's still a casual thing. And again there are a lot of people who started playing magic with edh.

    I have the expectation that your going to follow the rules that are provided by the game designer

    Those also change a lot, and hobbiists can be game designers as well hence the Variant of commander was designed and you can either
    Just play the ****ing [variant]
    or
    If you dont like them then go play another [variant]
    </blockquote></blockquote>

    None of what your saying makes sense. EDH is a different format since it has a different (supposed) ban list and a different card pool along with different rules. 2HG is not a format. Its only played at pre-releases and is just an extension of draft. A format involves a completely different card pool, hence the term format, as in your reformatting or restructuring something, typically a card pool in magic's terms. If I play Legacy standing on one foot, that isnt a format. Its a different way to play magic but its not a format (not even one recognized by anyone either).

    You dont have to be competitive to not be casual either. Just because your not trying to engage in the professional side of something doesnt mean your casual. Sorry but this is just getting stupid at this point. Your a cardboard crackhead and are just trying to justify your fix. I wish magic players would stop acting like this. This game isnt that damn serious yet people treat everything involved with it as its life and death, including your post.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Casual edh works best if you are somewhat drunk and just want to play some wacky decks and everyone does the same.

    Politics can be quick and simple or drawn out waste of time, the entire FreeForAll format adds a level of politics to the game that a 1vs1 game does not have.
    But if all the crap is dragged down the politics game, it becomes extremely slow and annoying.
    *Simple example. If a player has a counterspell, instead of waiting for it, simply reveal you have it and say that you will counter any mass removal or removal against your creature, which might change how players opt to play if thats in your interest. Showing a mass removal in your hand so they dont attack you is also a viable option, its quick and pragmatic, but nobody is bound to honor the promises they make.

    If people just want to randomly do stuff without the intention to play to win, then the game drags a lot.
    Thats "ok" in casual, if the game goes reasonable quickly and turns dont drag forever.

    The casual ban-list is not really a thing, its more a recommendation for people and its pretty much worthless anyway.
    I would always recommend to play whatever cards you have no matter what and remove cards that are not enjoyable anymore (winning with the same combo over and over will get boring fairly quickly).


    In cEDH its all about winning the game. If all agree you get intense games, which is almost always a race to who can pull the game winning combo off.
    If all players are aware thats the game, they pack removal and answers accordingly, and still some games end quickly, as thats how it goes (in which case you simply start a new game).


    If cEDH and casual mix together the mindset is just wrong and it cant end well.
    People will annoy each other and that cant work.
    If you have people that understand the rules well and play quickly, mixed with people that barely understand the rules (or even worse, "think" they understand the rules and simply dont) the game gets problematic if people just annoy each other.
    Thats not going to work out.





    Can we stop calling it casual? Competitive EDH is barely a thing now a days and nobody really cares about it. And like I said, if you been playing a game for 10+ years or for a reasonable amount of time, its not casual at that point. I dont date a chick for years and tell people "yeah im just casually dating. we only been together but half a decade but ya know obviously casual....".

    Why EDH is stupid is because it just says screws the rules I have money or that I am insecure about myself. WoTC makes rules for a reason. If you dont like them then go play another card game. When I sit down to play a game made by someone else, I have the expectation that your going to follow the rules that are provided by the game designer. I dont care that you think counterspells are stupid, chances are your stupid (not you personally, just an example). Like what kind of nonsense is that? Just play the ****ing game, I dont want your life story that someone played stone rain and you threatened to jump off the grand canyon, see a therapist and quit magic since you have bigger problems.

    And that my friend is why EDH is the worst. Majority of the fan ban is sad. And they should be sad since its like you take some of the worse human beings alive and have them play magic basically.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Boyachi »
    Quote from chefcurry200 »


    1. There isnt any multiplayer format sides edh.



    I wanted to address this because no one else had yet.
    First off you will see Brawl around, which is standard EDH light.

    Two Headed Giant made a resurgence with the release of battlebond. My LGS frequently has two headed giant games during prerelease.
    Two headed giant is a 2vs2 game where your team has a shared life total of 30 life and take your turn at the same time.

    My favorite is Horde. You make a deck with token and stopper cards as the “enemy deck”. The horde deck should have next to no choices (like targeting) and in fact if the horde is made to have a choice it is either always “yes” or as random as possible. The horde has infinite mana at its disposal (so no creatures should have things like firebreathing). At the beginning of each of its turns the horde reveals the top of its library until it reaches a stopper (nontoken)card. The tokens are put onto the battlefield and the stopper card(s)[possible through house rules and things like Unsummon cast on stopper creatures] are cast. Typically horde creatures have haste but I run my horde without it so that I can use higher powered cards in the horde.
    The team of players has 100 life and take their turn all at once. The start of the game the team gets three turns in a row as prep turns.
    The horde’s life total is its library. Whenever the horde is dealt damage it mills that many cards off the top of its library. When the horde’s library is empty, the players win. This is my favorite multiplayer format.

    Archenemy is a three on one multiplayer game where the archenemy has scheme cards to give that loner an extra edge against other players.
    The box set is really well balanced and an excellent gateway box for new players into magic.


    Emperor is a 3 on 3 game. The “emperor” players sit in between their two generals.
    The generals have an influence of one. They cannot reach their fellow generals, nor the opposing emperor at the start of the game.
    Where the General has a range of 1 opponent, the emperor has a range of two, but cannot attack on the side where their general still lives.
    That being said, all creatures have the ability “tap: target teammate sitting directly to your left or right gains control of this creature (this effect does not end at the end of the turn).”
    This was the first multiplayer I ever played and I wish more people knew about it.

    Oathbreaker is a 60 card singleton format where a planeswalker and a “signature spell (instant or sorcery)” and I think they are doing more of an active ban list.

    Star is a five player format where you allies are sitting immediately to your left and right and your opponents are anyone that does not fall under those constraints. If someone’s opponents are eliminated all remaining players win.



    Brawl is just standard EDH and the rest your describing arent formats. Those are different variants of magic all together. A format is when the card pool is changed. If I play a version of magic that involves no pants but the cards legal are not any different than standard, thats not a format.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Kamino_Taka »
    Monopoly and uno dont have anywhere near the learning curve that is needed to play Magic. Magic is a complicated game, especially edh. I can find a hobo off the side of the street who will know how to play monopoly or uno.

    It is more complex not more complicated. The reason you will more likely find a hobo to play uno or monopoly is because those games appeal to a bigger crowd. But again you are missing the point that those are just examples.

    It mainly for veteran magic players who are hardcore about the game.
    Woha need to tell my Friday group that they all been secretly playing magic hardcore for several years sure they are stoked to hear that :D. Out of that group of about 10 people only 4 Played magic before and including me only 2 played edh. EDH is not more or less about the hardcore veteran players than any other format.

    And I adressed the banlist point already but to give you another example of a format that started as casual unorganized play and had/has a banlist is pauper. Just because a thing isn't competetive doesn't mean it's void of rules or that it should be, and a banlist is just part of the rules.


    If someone is playing something for 10 years, that isnt casual at that point. That means your more than likely a hardcore player who is in the closet.

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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Kamino_Taka »
    There are both competetive uno and competetive monopoly tournaments in various places and that was just used as an example you might be familiar with there are plenty others.
    It makes zero sense why EDH has a ban list if people dont all follow it
    see my post read my post understand my post. I know you don't want to since you just came here to rant/troll but at least try to reason.


    How can you really compare compeitive magic to uno and monopoly? Those arent anything near the same games. Both of those games dont have expansions that require you to ban stuff due to potenially broken interactions.

    And EDH is anything but casual. Mostly played by people who take themselves too seriously and are too obsessed with magic to quit it all together after being burnt out from trying to be a pro player. Its not casual, its more like not part of organized play. Im not a casual basketball player just because I play pick up.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Kamino_Taka »
    the players cry about everything and anything
    You literally made an account just to do that Grin
    1. There isnt any multiplayer format sides edh.
    There are plenty multiplayer formats besides EDH.

    While i agree with Whalaquee in that there is no unified "checklist" of what casual means when you play with the same people for a longer period that group will define for them what casual is.

    Yeah. Gets worse when you realize its recommended for new players by more experienced players and by the company itself. Its like giving your kid their first bike, but without the training wheels, and its a bike meant for an adult-sized person.

    It's like that if you introduce beginners with any competetive deck/s if you go casual any format is a good format to start learning magic.

    3. The point of why a format is invented is to facilitate organized/competitive play.
    That is simply not true if that were the case there would be no need for more than one format at all. EDH started as a casual format the same reason house rules for other games (Uno, Monopoly etc.) started people thought it would be fun to play it like that so they did. Technically cEDH started in a similar vein as in let's see whats the most efficient way to win given the rule set.

    They make a ban list in formats so people show up to tournaments with different decks. There is zero point of a ban list in edh, especially when everyone just makes up their own rules anyway.

    The reason for banlists is more than just that as even without a banlist in most formats there would still be multiple decks (albeit fewer). The banlist for "casual" formats is to facilitate a common ground if you start playing with different people than your regular group, as there is no unified definition of casual.
    While I agree that the banlist is a mess it is still a common ground.




    Monopoly and Uno arent competitive games. In none of those games is there any incentive to follow a certain set of guidelines. It makes zero sense why EDH has a ban list if people dont all follow it. They might as well get rid of it since its a waste of text.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from chefcurry200 »
    Quote from Whalaqee »
    Quote from chefcurry200 »
    Quote from Whalaqee »
    Hipster movement done by judges who didn't like how everyone played what was meta/mainstream in competitive environments.


    This. Also WoTC "officially" supporting it was just a marketing move. Has zero to do with game balance.

    Also I left my LGS a long time ago since it was infested with EDH players. Hanging out with neckbeards who take themselves too seriously is not fun. Magic is not that damn serious unless going to your LGS is your whole life.
    Gets more poignant when you consider that EDH/Commander was a counterculture thing. It then got co-opted by advertisements and merchandise created by Wizards. Casual outside of EDH is practically a wasteland. As to take some lyrics from Smash Mouth's "Walking on the Sun" which is about the same subject matter involving the hippie movement and anti-vietnam rhetoric at the time:

    Some were spellbound, some were hell bound
    Some they fell down and some got back up
    And fought back against the melt-down
    And their kids were hippie chicks or hypocrites
    Because fashion is smashin' the true meaning of it
    So don't delay, act now, supplies are running out
    Allow if you're still alive, six to eight years to arrive
    And if you follow, there may be a tomorrow
    But if the offer is shun, you might as well be walkin' on the sun


    EDH isnt really casual though. Most of the people who play it are hardcore magic players and the format is terrible for beginners. Its just most of the EDH players were bad at competitive play and want a space to where they can warp the rules that suite them. If EDH was a person, it would like Yugi from yugioh when he makes up his own rules to beat whoever he is playing against. Its mental and you have to be kinda mental to be into it.




    May I ask what rules you believe are being warped? Do you mean people are actually not following the rules of the card game? as in mechanics and interactions? or is this a statement towards your aforementioned politics?


    What is legal and what isnt legal inspite or What is considered "fair" and "unfair" inspite of the ban list. Things like how people are "supposed to be playing", what people should do on what turn, etc. All those stupid unwritten rules. And the excessive shaming of not following these stupid social contract rules. Its stupidity at its finest.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Whalaqee »
    Quote from chefcurry200 »
    Quote from Whalaqee »
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    Read some history and look at the context about the format of the time it was made. Look at who made the format. Look at why. It will enlighten your perspective and give you some basis to form an argument. Right now you are not making coherent arguments regarding the format. We here are seeing complaints about your LGS, in this thread's current form.
    Hipster movement done by judges who didn't like how everyone played what was meta/mainstream in competitive environments.


    This. Also WoTC "officially" supporting it was just a marketing move. Has zero to do with game balance.

    Also I left my LGS a long time ago since it was infested with EDH players. Hanging out with neckbeards who take themselves too seriously is not fun. Magic is not that damn serious unless going to your LGS is your whole life.
    Gets more poignant when you consider that EDH/Commander was a counterculture thing. It then got co-opted by advertisements and merchandise created by Wizards. Casual outside of EDH is practically a wasteland. As to take some lyrics from Smash Mouth's "Walking on the Sun" which is about the same subject matter involving the hippie movement and anti-vietnam rhetoric at the time:

    Some were spellbound, some were hell bound
    Some they fell down and some got back up
    And fought back against the melt-down
    And their kids were hippie chicks or hypocrites
    Because fashion is smashin' the true meaning of it
    So don't delay, act now, supplies are running out
    Allow if you're still alive, six to eight years to arrive
    And if you follow, there may be a tomorrow
    But if the offer is shun, you might as well be walkin' on the sun


    EDH isnt really casual though. Most of the people who play it are hardcore magic players and the format is terrible for beginners. Its just most of the EDH players were bad at competitive play and want a space to where they can warp the rules that suite them. If EDH was a person, it would like Yugi from yugioh when he makes up his own rules to beat whoever he is playing against. Its mental and you have to be kinda mental to be into it.

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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Whalaqee »
    Quote from Shea_0 »


    Read some history and look at the context about the format of the time it was made. Look at who made the format. Look at why. It will enlighten your perspective and give you some basis to form an argument. Right now you are not making coherent arguments regarding the format. We here are seeing complaints about your LGS, in this thread's current form.
    Hipster movement done by judges who didn't like how everyone played what was meta/mainstream in competitive environments.


    This. Also WoTC "officially" supporting it was just a marketing move. Has zero to do with game balance.

    Also I left my LGS a long time ago since it was infested with EDH players. Hanging out with neckbeards who take themselves too seriously is not fun. Magic is not that damn serious unless going to your LGS is your whole life.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    I didnt know that my lack of existence was the deciding point of edh.

    1. There isnt any multiplayer format sides edh.

    2. That is true...probably in some alternative universe. When you think of the stereotypical neckbeards who are unbearable people that complain about everything and are super narcissistic, thats edh in the a nutshell.

    3. The point of why a format is invented is to facilitate organized/competitive play. They make a ban list in formats so people show up to tournaments with different decks. There is zero point of a ban list in edh, especially when everyone just makes up their own rules anyway.

    For a competitive play you need to follow a set of guidelines, for casual you dont. There is zero point in why edh exists, other than wotc marketing edh cards to people. For any normal human being its stupid.
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