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  • posted a message on Advice on building three dragon decks
    OK, so let's start with Atarka. Honestly, I'd just get 2 for starters. I rarely run more than 2 copies of anything at 6 mana or more. There are exceptions for 3 copies, but 4 is almost always overkill in a deck like this. Especially given Atarka's legendary status. You don't want it plugging up your hand in the early game, and you don't want it plugging up your hand later on when you can cast it, but can only have one in play at a time. This would give you a decent chunk of your budget back for some other stuff. Like lands. Gonna need some lands if your're gonna do 3 color.

    I'd go for 2 decks. One straight red, more streamlined, fast mana, attacking, "mid-aggro" type of deal, and the second, a RGB Scourge of Valkas and Dragon Tempest token strategy. It's a slower, long-game kind of idea, and a lot more fun to play. This is where you find the fun stuff like Atarka and Dragon's Hoard. It doesn't really attack. All your damage usually comes from Scourge and Tempest procs. Making dragons faster than your opponent can blow them up is the hope.

    What to buy? If it was me...

    For the attacking deck-
    2 Thundermaw Hellkite
    4 Rite of Flame
    4 Dragon Egg
    4 Dragon Hatchling

    For the token deck-
    2 Dragonlord Atarka
    1 Bladewing the Risen
    3 Broodmate Dragon
    2 Dragon Broodmother
    3 Dragon Tempest
    3 Blossoming Defense
    2 Victimize
    2 Bedevil
    2 By Force
    2 Putrefy
    2 Feed the Swarm
    3 Return to Nature
    2 Dragon's Hoard
    4 Unclaimed Territory
    2 Savage Lands

    Going for your budget here, there are better cards. I'm sure I forgot something. Not even sure I'm still in your budget?

    The RGB version. Or at least a starting point off the top of my head:
    3 Dragon Hatchling
    3 Dragon Egg
    3 Scourge of Valkas
    1 Terror of the Peaks
    2 Lathliss, Dragon Queen
    2 Dragon Broodmother
    3 Broodmate Dragon
    1 Bladewing the Risen
    2 Dragonlord Atarka

    3 Dragon Tempest
    3 Blossoming Defense
    2 Sarkhan's Triumph
    2 Victimize
    3 Feed the Swarm
    2 Return to Nature
    2 Bedevil
    1 By Force
    2 Dragon's Hoard

    Tweak to taste. Still need the land. What land do you have? Looks fun though.

    Gotta think about the other deck.
    Posted in: Casual & Multiplayer Formats
  • posted a message on Building a deck around a commander that isn't the actual commander
    I have a Rafiq of the Many commander deck where I started using Atraxa, Praetors' Voice as the commander. I just found I never really wanted Rafiq till later in the game when I could protect him better, and Atraxa and the black gave me the ability to fairly easily tutor him when ready and so much more.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Advice on building three dragon decks
    You gots some cool stuff there. Is there a specific format ban list you're building for? Vintage by default? Are these for multiplayer or 1-v-1? Both? Need more info to really make up some decklists.

    There's a couple dragon threads here and the MP subforum. Those should give you some ideas if you haven't read them already.

    I've been running one that's RGB. This might be pointless info to share, as three colors might be hard to do without already owning a decent mana base. Not sure if you meant these are the ONLY cards you have. That Dragonlord Atarka idea would work much better if you could splash black. I'd add Broodmate Dragon with Lathliss, Dragon Queen and Scourge of Valkas running around. They are cheap. Black also adds some cheap recursion options to keep bringing things back. Return from Extinction and Victimize come to mind. Artarka likes recursion.

    Some other cheap-to-cheapish stuff I'd add to the collection:
    Dragon Tempest Same proc as Scourge, plus hastey goodness
    Dragon Egg Triggers Scourge, Tempest, Lathliss. Then Scourge and Tempest again when it leaves.
    Dragon Hatchling You might want to use this in the aggro version. It's also not as useless as it looks in the late game. 2 mana for a bunch of Scourge/Tempest triggers has won me more than a few games.
    Vines of Vastwood and Blossoming Defense Basically counterspells when someone takes a pot shot at Atarka, Lathliss, Scourge, etc.
    Dragon's Hoard Yeah, might get blown up pretty quick, but great when it doesn't. Plus, bonus points for flavor. What kind of dragon quest doesn't have a big old stack of loot?
    Rite of Flame. It's a great card for the aggro list, but only legal in vintage I think.

    I really wanted to suggest Nesting Dragon. However, they apparently went up a bit in price ($15) since I paid $4 a pop for mine. But if you have it, they're a great add to the Scourge/Tempest strategy. It's a commander card, so might not be legal in most formats.

    There's a downside to all this dragony goodness. They aren't hard to stop. Tends to be very tribal. It's annoying enough that if you play the same people all the time, you'll get ganged up on as soon as someone figures out what you're playing. It's hard making a truly fast list. Mid-ramge at best.

    Many random thoughts, hope it was remotely helpful. I'll talk dragons all day.

    Posted in: Casual & Multiplayer Formats
  • posted a message on Textbox and mechanic complexity creep ... is it a ever growing issue ?
    Well, I agree, FWIW. However, I think most of the players who are gonna agree are the older ones (like me, 51 and still tappin') who were around when MTG was a simpler game. To most MTG players this is just gonna come across like the "old man shaking his fist at the WotC cloud".

    It's gonna happen. It's a product of evolution. All the "simple" cards have been done. If you're gonna make new cards, they are going to get more complex as the simple ideas get used up. Releasing new sets/cards every other week doesn't help.

    Too much text? Well, throw up a modern set spoiler, then look at an older spoiler. Yes, we had plenty of wordy, confusing cards (the classic example- Ice Cauldron), but by-and-large it was simpler. Lots more words nowadays. MTG has gotten somewhat bloated and convoluted over the years. Again, the simple stuff has been done. They've done a fair job of keeping the text to a minimum, "streamlining" language/text, but sometimes take this idea too far. (latest pet peeve/annoyance- T: Add 1 green mana. TO WHAT??? My retirement portfolio? G'ma's chicken soup recipe? The toilet tank??? DUMB!) There are, thankfully, still some simple cards happening.

    As far as alt versions of cards, I'm all good with it. I went through my "fancy version" stage. Playsets of foil textless Damnation, Wrath of God, Cryptic Command, all of that crap. Over it. Give me simple and original any day. Nowadays, I just like the fancy versions because they help keep the prices of basic versions lower. Usually.

    It is what it is. If wordy, bloated, and six different versions of the same card in one set are what it takes to keep the game going, then so be it.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Multiple Dragon Tempest
    Oh yeah. They sure do. Sometimes twice. Or in multiples.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on 3/08 Random Card of the Day: Lich
    There was a time that if you were doing a tribal zombie weenie aggro deck, this guy was one of very few 1 drop zombies. Still sucked. Best thing about it was the ability to get a bigger creature in your graveyard to dig out later.
    Posted in: Casual & Multiplayer Formats
  • posted a message on 3/08 Random Card of the Day: Lich
    Yeah, elf token decks were a big thing. Still are, but haven't really played this guy since back in it's day (we called it "Drove of Death"). I think I also had a couple lists pairing it with Creakwood Liege. Might play nice with Hornet Queen or Arasta of the Endless Web. Or a counter-swing after a nice fat Arachnogenesis. There's just so many ways to make green tokens.
    Posted in: Casual & Multiplayer Formats
  • posted a message on Worm Harvest!
    It's not budget, but if you have or can swing a Creakwood Liege or 3, so much the better. Of course, then I'd have to add Elemental Bond, which if you can keep it around, would generate some serious card advan. Yes, the tokens come in as 3/3.
    Posted in: Casual & Multiplayer Formats
  • posted a message on Vivien, Monster's Advocate and triggered abilities
    Thanks. Dumb brainfart at that.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Vivien, Monster's Advocate and triggered abilities
    OK, this may be a simple old man's brain fart. And by "may" I mean pretty certain.

    I have Vivien, Monster's Advocate and Lathliss, Dragon queen in play. I activate Viv's last loyalty ability. Tap some mana and play Broodmate Dragon. Now, before it resolves and ETB, triggering Lathliss and itself, Viv's abilty is trggered as a spell being cast. I search up Scourge of Valkas and put it onto the battlefield. Doing that triggers Lathliss and itself. So I now have a spell (Broodmate) and 2 triggered abilities waiting to resolve.

    Spell first? Triggers first? My choice of order?
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Best Dragons As of 2020
    Damn! Oktayne, you had me in Hysterics!!! I have to admit, dragons actually have a ridiculous amount of combo potential. if I could Add my own little bit of silly to the list, it would be Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury! Let's say we pulled your combo, then slam Kolaghan. Each attacking creature now gets a nice buff of +10/+0 on attack.. I love it!!! Be nice to have both Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury and Atarka, World Render on-board at once. I would feel almost bad for the opponents... Almost.

    One dragon I always find to be fantastic is actually Dragonlord Kolaghan as well, but that's because of my usual playgroup. Almost every one of them likes reanimator, so... 10 to the face if you try it works nicely!!

    Nice to see there are still some dragon lovers out there!

    Kolaghan would be fun. Might need to add to the commander version. Utvara Hellkite is also a bit of fun in that scenario.

    Funny brain-fart about Dragonlord Kolaghan. Had him in a commander deck once. Oops.
    Posted in: Multiplayer
  • posted a message on 3/08 Random Card of the Day: Lich
    One of the truly awesome Dark Ritual weenies. I remember eyes popping out of my head when Zendikar dropped. It was THE weenie for a while.

    And that's a good question regarding the Shaman thing. Never really thought about, but good question.
    Posted in: Casual & Multiplayer Formats
  • posted a message on What is multiplayer to you?
    Let's go with "I'm in between groups atm".

    Last group broke up, or burned out, or something, after many years. It was mostly FFA, anywhere from 4 to 8 players. Some Emperor here and there. And a home-brew tribal format that came and went with decent tribal sets.

    I miss those guys. It's tough finding new groups for an old school old fart.

    To those who have looked for new groups, what do you all do to find groups?
    Posted in: Multiplayer
  • posted a message on How did i miss this? (Dark Ritual shennannigans)
    Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord

    So, paired with Dark Ritual is this as good as it looks, or am I wasting $40 buying a playset of these Sorins?

    Anyone playing this, and what's your favorite larger vamp to drop with this Sorin on T1?
    Posted in: Casual & Multiplayer Formats
  • posted a message on Best Dragons As of 2020
    I would have replied, but it would have been pretty much what FunkyDragon posted.

    So I'll add the silliness...

    Panharmonican is a lot of fun here. You can do some crazy stuff. My band camp moment recently with it was Lathliss, Dragon Tempest, and Panharmonican in play, with two Broodmate Dragons in the graveyard. Dropped Bladewing (brings back BOTH Broodmates), ended up with a (not-so-)small army and a table full of dead opponents.

    Nesting Dragon and Dragon Egg can also be ton of fun/damage in the Scourge/Tempest deck.
    Posted in: Multiplayer
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