There is no magical christmasland where youre drawing 3 cards per turn cycle off it because your opponents are intentionally swinging into it in edh. Your opponents know you get a card, and they might not.
Its more likely to be ignored until the draws are irrelevant. Sure that acts as a bit of a deterrent but not a major one. Anything aggressive will be able to remove this thing or just smash over it, and anything else will just sit back until their machine is created
Other formats? Idk, that fat ass to cmc ratio is nice but the equal draw power can backfire pretty hard
Its a mediocre rare that a lot of people are going to spend weeks defending and then never play anywhere
The baseline is a 0/4 flying defender - which is admittedly barely acceptable as a common. The symmetrical card draw is a slight advantage for your opponent in 1v1 in a vacuum - but if you are able to utilize those cards while your opponent cannot (you have magecraft triggers/a curve that could cast cards better than your opponent) it can be a small advantage in 1v1. Also effects like smothering tithe can come into effect to gain an advantage there. In commander - you can potentially use this to give cards to the player that is doing worst - or is agreeing to be the nicest to you - it can be a powerful political tool.
laughter: what………the?! is that even possible how in the world is this not mythic? Not only it’s even worse than Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger attack trigger It might actually be possible to mill in exile form a whole entire deck if it’s the right deck with it outside commander. Actually you can instantly kill card]ad nauseam[/card] commander deck since all the cards but 3 are lands
And just for the sake of argument- is there anything wrong with a spell that ruins a degenerate, non-interactive deck? Do you have a problem with rule of law vs storm decks? Leyline of the void vs protean hulk?? Cards that impede strategies that are not fun without being specifically designed as a silver bullet are a good thing. Even cEdh players don't enjoy watching someone playing solitaire - I applaud the arrival of a card that reaches into this territou.
My question is - how are they going to implement this if they don't include "Magic universe" names on the ub cards. Will there be a curated list you have to cross reference? What about cards that should just be reprinted (eg shock) and not have a new functionally identical card in the ub? I truly feel the ideal solution would be introduction of new formats (standard with and without ub, commander with and without, etc). Heck, people may even desire a reserve list format where you never know if wotc will acquire licensing to reprint Gandalf. We still have a slew of almost reserve list cards - concordant Crossroads hasn't been reprinted since chronicles for little reason besides breaking color pie and having a weird enchant world subtype. Reserve list gives no hope of reprinting - a tricky intellectual property gives a glimmer of hope and may keep those cards in the less than insane price range.
I'm pretty sure they were annoyed that un-card utilized that phrase. Mechanically speaking enchantments are a good guess but how cool would it be if there were "tron" lands.
Waterdeep dungeon t: add 1 to your mana pool
Waterdeep passages t: create a treasure. You may only play passages if you have ventured into waterdeep dungeon
Waterdeep showdown you may only play this if you control waterdeep passages and control 2 artifacts t: add 1.
T, select a creature you control and one of an opponents choice. Those creatures fight. If the creature your opponent selected dies this turn search your library for an artifact of cc 5 or less and put it into play.
they never gonna admit it but lets face it nearly all the most played nonbasic lands in edh can tap for at least C this is almost armageddon in the format
and to prove it all of these would get hit by the overload.
(clearly hundreds more than this)
I suppose in edh you would be packing bounce/enchantment removal for when this becomes too much of a liability - but whirlwind of thought would be my goto for this strategy. Maybe in modern this could be used in some sort of spirit control with aether vial?
That's what some said about paradox engine
I'm still going to get a foil or two
Who knows...perhaps we'll see a decent 1drop goyf soon enough
Hahahhaha. No they didnt and to try to compare this to that is pure absurdity. At 2 or 3 mana, sure fine, but at 5 this is a crappy uncommon.
compare akroma's memorial and eldrazi monument - this gives probably +4/+4 minimum and trample in edh. If you're talking about modern - this would have the impact of overrun at best - and I don't see anyone rushing to put that in their decks.
I can't stand Gavin so I didn't watch the video, but it amuses me that this turns on the rarest card type "tribal" for your tarmogoyfs if it ends up in the yard.
A case can be made for this being more powerful than his green predecessor. Costing R vs 1G is hugely relevant - and that toughness may often be hugely irrelevant. Magical christmas draw for post MH2 modern - turn 1 monkey, 2 swing monkey, find their mox amber, faithless looting discard 2 of these and asmo whatever her name is. And as for the mox amber mana, I don't know - it just seemed like a fun addition.
Normally the +2/+2 was just enough of a threat that the opponent couldnt block and you got a "free" 1 damage.
You didnt really pump it just because, unless you had the mana to spare anyway.
The red one doesnt even have the option to sstay alive, it has 1 thoughness and cannot grow, so here its entirely extra damage and nothing else.
Plays very different, and the opponent will much more likely just block and kill it.
Not to linger on the trivial - but besides thraben inspector and a handful of prowess cards is anything else played in modern that doesn't just trade or squash either lizard? The toughness boost seems like a difference for limited. Also, this guy in red feels much stronger because of the larger discard theme.
So, this is actually a strictly better Diabolic Edict, right? I see no downside in having split Second.
This card is good, but we already got a strictly (much) better edict.
How quickly we forget Liliana's Triumph!
If liliana's triumph was split second - yes it would be strictly superior, and despite split second usually being a wasted bonus - as is the discard on liliana's - it isn't meaningless. But here you are comparing memory lapse to remand - very similar effects - but there is no way in which one can be called strictly superior to the other. Actually now that I think about it - target vs. each opponent is also a non-trivial distinction (usually each opponent is a stronger wording, but there may be times you would want to edict yourself - edict away your solemn simulacrum in response to smash to smithereens)
A case can be made for this being more powerful than his green predecessor. Costing R vs 1G is hugely relevant - and that toughness may often be hugely irrelevant. Magical christmas draw for post MH2 modern - turn 1 monkey, 2 swing monkey, find their mox amber, faithless looting discard 2 of these and asmo whatever her name is. And as for the mox amber mana, I don't know - it just seemed like a fun addition.
Such an underwhelming card for such an epic name. Wasted opportunity.
He obviously should have been
When this enters the battlefield destroy all non-zombie creatures. Search your opponent's hands and library for any number of creature cards and put them in the graveyard. For remainder of game each player may only cast zombie creatures. Your life total becomes 1 (it does need a drawback for 1ub)
Mechanically, it seems like something between a zombie infestation and and something terrible. That 1 cost prevents this from doing anything randomly disgusting like any of the fecundity effects. Now when you can discard a card, make a 1/4 crab, a squirrel, a clue and a treasure - now you're cooking with crisco!
The baseline is a 0/4 flying defender - which is admittedly barely acceptable as a common. The symmetrical card draw is a slight advantage for your opponent in 1v1 in a vacuum - but if you are able to utilize those cards while your opponent cannot (you have magecraft triggers/a curve that could cast cards better than your opponent) it can be a small advantage in 1v1. Also effects like smothering tithe can come into effect to gain an advantage there. In commander - you can potentially use this to give cards to the player that is doing worst - or is agreeing to be the nicest to you - it can be a powerful political tool.
And just for the sake of argument- is there anything wrong with a spell that ruins a degenerate, non-interactive deck? Do you have a problem with rule of law vs storm decks? Leyline of the void vs protean hulk?? Cards that impede strategies that are not fun without being specifically designed as a silver bullet are a good thing. Even cEdh players don't enjoy watching someone playing solitaire - I applaud the arrival of a card that reaches into this territou.
Waterdeep dungeon t: add 1 to your mana pool
Waterdeep passages t: create a treasure. You may only play passages if you have ventured into waterdeep dungeon
Waterdeep showdown you may only play this if you control waterdeep passages and control 2 artifacts t: add 1.
T, select a creature you control and one of an opponents choice. Those creatures fight. If the creature your opponent selected dies this turn search your library for an artifact of cc 5 or less and put it into play.
You won't ever see null rod entering modern - it's reserved list.
Exotic orchard and reflecting pool are safe - colorless is not a color (also you can't tap either if all your opponents are playing colorless.)
compare akroma's memorial and eldrazi monument - this gives probably +4/+4 minimum and trample in edh. If you're talking about modern - this would have the impact of overrun at best - and I don't see anyone rushing to put that in their decks.
Not to linger on the trivial - but besides thraben inspector and a handful of prowess cards is anything else played in modern that doesn't just trade or squash either lizard? The toughness boost seems like a difference for limited. Also, this guy in red feels much stronger because of the larger discard theme.
If liliana's triumph was split second - yes it would be strictly superior, and despite split second usually being a wasted bonus - as is the discard on liliana's - it isn't meaningless. But here you are comparing memory lapse to remand - very similar effects - but there is no way in which one can be called strictly superior to the other. Actually now that I think about it - target vs. each opponent is also a non-trivial distinction (usually each opponent is a stronger wording, but there may be times you would want to edict yourself - edict away your solemn simulacrum in response to smash to smithereens)
He obviously should have been
When this enters the battlefield destroy all non-zombie creatures. Search your opponent's hands and library for any number of creature cards and put them in the graveyard. For remainder of game each player may only cast zombie creatures. Your life total becomes 1 (it does need a drawback for 1ub)
Mechanically, it seems like something between a zombie infestation and and something terrible. That 1 cost prevents this from doing anything randomly disgusting like any of the fecundity effects. Now when you can discard a card, make a 1/4 crab, a squirrel, a clue and a treasure - now you're cooking with crisco!