Oh yea that's right. What vibes are you getting from ZDS this time around having been more exposed to scum ZDS as town that game?
This feels more like the town ZDS that I played with in games after, far too early to tell though and my sample size is too small. I'm not going to worry about him too much today, if he is still alive by day 3 I deep dive him.
I was just doing my reread, not the most content for this part of the game, but still enough for me to have some soft town reads. The main ones being ZDS and Ter both in my view are trying to move the game foward and asking the right questions. I know this is very much in ZDS scum meta, but willing to back it until they is something that makes me doubt him. I mainly like Ter for their pushing on Eco and how she explains herself imo it feels like a real mindset rather then a scum trying to force something.
Lagoon is in my town pile also not sure how true his cop claim is, but the general play is solid enough especially compared to others, I liked his posts about grape's view on KJ seeming a bit forced and not real especially since it bothered me also in my reread.
Eco is also in my town pile also I feel they handled the questions well, and they are showing their thoughts clearly and asking the right questions, it is of course possible for scum to do all of this, but they feel natural to me. semi interested why they voted me and asked Ter about me also though.
Not a big fan of Highroller recent post and vote, mainly because it is the reverse of my own view on Terr, and it feels like a forced read I can't believe he thinks Terr questions on Eco are too much. This is a game of mafia we don't get anywhere unless we question others and try to figure out if their thoughts and play are consistent. Scum reading someone for moving game forward in a normal manner makes no sense to me.
Igno is a big red flag to me atm, he starts off with this weird push on Axel which is beyond weak, and shocked people are considering this real enough to vote or scum read him on. After getting some early heat off that he has mainly being in answering questions mode. I also don't like when people give own self meta because it is easy to lie about that stuff to your own advantage. I want to see them put some of what they say into practice to see how good they are rather then answering questions which is a easy way to hide.
Need more from Grape, but his last post also felt a bit forced imo, but from memory every game so far here I have had issues with Grape's style something about it just comes off scummy to me. His view on Axel and KJ just does not feel like something real to me and something he espically would believe at this stage.
I know Sloth fluffs a bit, but he is really lacking impact. My memory could be wrong, but I remember he had more impact in my other games with him and he was a easy town read for me. This game he lacks impact and comes off a bit nervous and unnatural could be insane here though you all know him better.
I have no issue with the Rhand wagon as well, we need to start making movements and his last post of having no thoughts, just seems weird to me because they is content to discuss and make pushs on.
I need a lot more from Axel because in this game he is more a topic of discussion then an actual player adding to the game.
....I am wounded. And after I welcomed you to the party with a sexy saxophone solo.
I have to say if you think THAT was me jumping down a players throat..anyone who's played with me can tell ya we're in for a good time.
@KJ and Jack. Were you both in the Prison game with me? If not can someone give me a refresher on who was cause I'm lazy and don't feel like looking it up at the moment
I was in prison game, I was the poor sap who was in a cell with ZDS and got suckered by him the entire game. Pretty sure KJ was in that game also but may of died early.
Well not played in a couple of months, and I was well off my game when I was playing back then. So hoping this attempt goes a lot better. Not sure when I ever scum slipped though, Since being only town here when playing and replaced out when scum both times for differing reasons.
I have the most reasons to vote here all 3 of the top wagons are good atm though based off current content. DK and JT are too low content to be valid trains just yet imo.
If I was going to vote someone atm it would be CC because his posts and stance on ZDS and how it changed are just not making sense to me. His responses to ZDS after his weird as hell vote also match more with the over defensiveness that I was referring to eariler unlike Highroller who looks like he is really scum hunting in his responses. CC looks scared and lost and just doing simple replies like a deer in the headlights. ZDS comes out way ahead in their exchange and considering how much I push ZDS early most games that takes some doing.
Prop is also a concern to me for the reasons just given so want others thoughts on him.
I would also not hate a vote on JT his posts are adding nothing to this game, but this also means I have nothing really to scum read him on either.
I'm good with Grape his posts are helpful at least and showing his thoughts.
ZDS is in my town pile because of how much better he came off compared to CC if CC flips town I review him. possible they is bussing happening though because both are in bad spots now I think about it their engangement with each other just feels off to a degree.
Axel can be town because being proactive and I like his posts.
I like how Silver is sharing my paranoia in Prop and is pushing it still and has good engagnments in thread I think he would be in my top 3 town with Vaimes and Highroller.
Rod is still town to me, even for the dumb reason I don't think he plays this way as scum, but like always I just keep Rod to the side and see what happens since I have not seen him as scum yet and this feels like normal him.
Vaimes and Highroller are both town for me for reasons given.
Because, in that instance, they were not actually lurkers. It was a silly thing for him to have said at all. If you were scum, and if your plan was to try and shift attention to lurkers, that is not exactly how/when you would do it.
Why do it as town though is my issue, I would expect from some people this early, but not him. It just felt like a way to try and engage thread because unsure what to do imo. I think his recent stuff has being a bit better but still feels a bit lacking from what I expect. What is your view?
I've never been talked about more. I should interpret other people's posts more often. It's good for the ego.
Anyway the Terry pressure is meh. The Highroller pressure is worse. Silver feels vaguely town. Proph can die, DK can die, Zds can do something else because this current back and forth is going nowhere.
Sorry to break it to you, but the scumteam is JT/Axel/Jack.
Expand on this team and also when do you not think I'm scum lol. In general on this site I'm either largely town read or scum read with no middle ground. On that actually the fact ZDS has not took any stance on me based off how recent games together is weird to me, but that is perhaps due to my lack of content and also his war with Highroller.
I'm changing my view on Highroller after reread he has got better . Partly due to me being a sucker for effort and he is clearly putting in effort atm. I also take back my comment on him being overly defensive after reading his other stuff. If he was doing that his posts would have more panic to them and be less well constructed. This to me feels like a town trying to catch scum who are pushing him with good logic rather then a caught scum that is mad and crushing under pressure. His posts to Grape and just the whole going on with ZDS is proof of this. Its hard for most scum to push back in such a strong way espically with contredictions and the use of perspectives it just has a whole lot of town scum hunting to it which is hard to fake.
I agree with Vaimes points on him in regards to how he is treating Cross just feels so off to me. Rod's gimmick thing he has going on here is weird and a tad annoying, but I don't think he would be this gutsy as people call it if scum. Vaimes is my top town atm.
Hi Jack.
1) Expand more on why you think that Vaimes is town? I feel pretty comfortable with him myself but I want to hear exactly why you think he's town.
2) What do you think of *me* so far? I understand that my early game entrance has been pretty divisive/polarized, but you basically said "you normally play differently than this".
3) Do you have.... uhh, more substantive thoughts on the game at present? There's a fair amount of content coming in and I find it a little odd you just zero'd in on being a Vaimes stan?
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Hey Silver, want to talk about this? Is this solely related to the fact that I told Highroller to vote me while having an RVS vote on Vaimes, or is there more?
My read on Vaimes as town comes from a tone read and also him being pro active my last exp with him as scum he was less proactive then this and a bit on the lazy side in the mountainous game in MC. I'm a sucker for people that put effort in early and he seems to be showing decent eveluaion and willing to listen to others and not just death tunnel. What makes you think he is town?
You seem a little bit stiff is how I see it, you lack the flair and shining light of townness that I normally see you. Normally you are lock town for me early and then I get paranoid of a deep wolf version of you later. I'm putting this maybe a bit down to rust from not playing for a while so waiting to see if you can play back into that. I know you can also play a scary wolf game as well which is why I'm not committing either way yet to the stiffness.
I zeroed on that because it appealed to me the most I don't think we have a great lot of content I refuse to get pulled into trying to mod game again got burned too much from doing that lately so not going to comment on the claim nonsense. I have also being crazy busy so not deep dived this game to the extend I like to that will come tomorrow when free. I just have light views on people atm and semi doing Wisp's thing of joining wagons to see what happenes if the case appeals to me.
This feels more like the town ZDS that I played with in games after, far too early to tell though and my sample size is too small. I'm not going to worry about him too much today, if he is still alive by day 3 I deep dive him.
Lagoon is in my town pile also not sure how true his cop claim is, but the general play is solid enough especially compared to others, I liked his posts about grape's view on KJ seeming a bit forced and not real especially since it bothered me also in my reread.
Eco is also in my town pile also I feel they handled the questions well, and they are showing their thoughts clearly and asking the right questions, it is of course possible for scum to do all of this, but they feel natural to me. semi interested why they voted me and asked Ter about me also though.
Not a big fan of Highroller recent post and vote, mainly because it is the reverse of my own view on Terr, and it feels like a forced read I can't believe he thinks Terr questions on Eco are too much. This is a game of mafia we don't get anywhere unless we question others and try to figure out if their thoughts and play are consistent. Scum reading someone for moving game forward in a normal manner makes no sense to me.
Igno is a big red flag to me atm, he starts off with this weird push on Axel which is beyond weak, and shocked people are considering this real enough to vote or scum read him on. After getting some early heat off that he has mainly being in answering questions mode. I also don't like when people give own self meta because it is easy to lie about that stuff to your own advantage. I want to see them put some of what they say into practice to see how good they are rather then answering questions which is a easy way to hide.
Need more from Grape, but his last post also felt a bit forced imo, but from memory every game so far here I have had issues with Grape's style something about it just comes off scummy to me. His view on Axel and KJ just does not feel like something real to me and something he espically would believe at this stage.
I know Sloth fluffs a bit, but he is really lacking impact. My memory could be wrong, but I remember he had more impact in my other games with him and he was a easy town read for me. This game he lacks impact and comes off a bit nervous and unnatural could be insane here though you all know him better.
I have no issue with the Rhand wagon as well, we need to start making movements and his last post of having no thoughts, just seems weird to me because they is content to discuss and make pushs on.
I need a lot more from Axel because in this game he is more a topic of discussion then an actual player adding to the game.
I was in prison game, I was the poor sap who was in a cell with ZDS and got suckered by him the entire game. Pretty sure KJ was in that game also but may of died early.
You still don't know lol, I thought it would of came out by now.
Missed you too Sloth good to see you again.
Well not played in a couple of months, and I was well off my game when I was playing back then. So hoping this attempt goes a lot better. Not sure when I ever scum slipped though, Since being only town here when playing and replaced out when scum both times for differing reasons.
For now.
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Prop is also a concern to me for the reasons just given so want others thoughts on him.
I would also not hate a vote on JT his posts are adding nothing to this game, but this also means I have nothing really to scum read him on either.
I'm good with Grape his posts are helpful at least and showing his thoughts.
ZDS is in my town pile because of how much better he came off compared to CC if CC flips town I review him. possible they is bussing happening though because both are in bad spots now I think about it their engangement with each other just feels off to a degree.
Axel can be town because being proactive and I like his posts.
I like how Silver is sharing my paranoia in Prop and is pushing it still and has good engagnments in thread I think he would be in my top 3 town with Vaimes and Highroller.
Rod is still town to me, even for the dumb reason I don't think he plays this way as scum, but like always I just keep Rod to the side and see what happens since I have not seen him as scum yet and this feels like normal him.
Vaimes and Highroller are both town for me for reasons given.
So much for not deep diving till tomorrow.
Why do it as town though is my issue, I would expect from some people this early, but not him. It just felt like a way to try and engage thread because unsure what to do imo. I think his recent stuff has being a bit better but still feels a bit lacking from what I expect. What is your view?
Expand on this team and also when do you not think I'm scum lol. In general on this site I'm either largely town read or scum read with no middle ground. On that actually the fact ZDS has not took any stance on me based off how recent games together is weird to me, but that is perhaps due to my lack of content and also his war with Highroller.
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My read on Vaimes as town comes from a tone read and also him being pro active my last exp with him as scum he was less proactive then this and a bit on the lazy side in the mountainous game in MC. I'm a sucker for people that put effort in early and he seems to be showing decent eveluaion and willing to listen to others and not just death tunnel. What makes you think he is town?
You seem a little bit stiff is how I see it, you lack the flair and shining light of townness that I normally see you. Normally you are lock town for me early and then I get paranoid of a deep wolf version of you later. I'm putting this maybe a bit down to rust from not playing for a while so waiting to see if you can play back into that. I know you can also play a scary wolf game as well which is why I'm not committing either way yet to the stiffness.
I zeroed on that because it appealed to me the most I don't think we have a great lot of content I refuse to get pulled into trying to mod game again got burned too much from doing that lately so not going to comment on the claim nonsense. I have also being crazy busy so not deep dived this game to the extend I like to that will come tomorrow when free. I just have light views on people atm and semi doing Wisp's thing of joining wagons to see what happenes if the case appeals to me.