Jackrito is so town it hurts, unless he was bodysnatched between now and Snow White.
My vote is not leaving Rhand.
Does his claim not effect your view at all? It could just be a fake claim as a attempt to save himself of course, but want to know your thoughts on the claim as a whole.
I'm annoyed by Jacktrito only getting votes now after I've just publically doubted by scum read. Highroller I can understand because he's not been engaged in the game and does his own thing, but Killjoy voting there instead of Rhand (especially since he didn't even vote Rhand/anyone after his read wall in #561) strikes me as a cynical ploy to derail the Rhand wagon. That being said there is public progression, and KJ's tone/post volume looks like someone excited rather than tactical. Something I would look very hard at were Rhand to flip mafia.
Jackrito's read list in #563 is weird. Highroller's position in the town group is unexplained and contradicts the last position in #540 where he said "Still don't like Highroller thought his catch up was bad apart from the one point on Rhand. But like I said before leaving that battle for another day." - but HR is also somehow still in the PoE (#589)? And I can't see where the KJ town read comes from either (another appeasement read??). TerRaine is in the scum pool which I'm sure doesn't track with previous reads, and neither does Sloth sitting right at the bottom (Sloth town read in #451 and #540).
So yeah @Jackrito, I think the reads in #563 need a lot more explaining because they don't really track with his past reads, and his PoE given in #589 doesn't even really mesh with the #563 list.
Rhand's claim? Claim is decent - it's proveable and wouldn't necessarily make sense as a scum role. However, if he is scum I'm assuming he can give out more than just a BP vest (and things that he'd like to give his buddies), and it's not so strong a role that I would be upset losing it. So much more is hinging on his catch up and subsequent vote than the claim. @Rhand: Who do you want to give a vest to and why?
The reads in 563 were me posting Grape's from his iso to see if they match with his thoughts, they are in no way my own. I should of made that clearer that was my mistake and something I regret doing because it can lead to confusion.
Looks like I’m in claim range.
I am Robocop, town gifter. I hand out a BP vest.
Could semi believe this I guess, not really the role I would expect robocop to have but not sure how much flavor matters. Intrested in others thoughts who are better aware of game design though.
One sidenote: One thing that may point to a town HR is the "currently listening to" music blurbs. If it's not role related, it might point to a relaxed, carefree HR this game, but I'm not confident in that this early in the game.
I'm really flattered that you're giving me that much credit in terms of thought-process, but I just really love 80s music. I'm definitely actually listening to these songs as I write these posts.
Doubt I change my mind barring a big change in the last day, I should be around though if something does happen, and if anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
... So you're suddenly so confident it's Rhand that you don't believe you'll change your mind at all?
Yup. Believe it or not D1 usually contains a lot of mind changing throughout the phase as we townsfolk try to figure out what's what.
Yeah, but there's this thing called "rationale" that usually comes around with that, not making your way through your bingo board.
Who wants to bet that TerRaine won't make ten more posts without Ter's current vote changing? C'mon. Anyone want to pony up? It's just for fun, we know that's what's going to happen.
@Highroller: What do you normally look for in scum? What makes a scum for you?
Disingenuousness, reads that do not feel organic, blatant inconsistencies, stances and actions which appear to come from a desire to kill someone first and justfying second, as opposed to a person thinking someone is mafia based on reasons and then following that to a natural conclusion.
There was no progression. You just saw everyone was voting Rhand and proceeded to vote him. Now you're saying there's nothing that would make you unvote him, despite the fact that you're only voting him because other people are voting him.
There's not really been a progression with anything you've been doing. You described Igno as a "big red flag," yet you didn't vote him, instead voting me. When you saw that wasn't going to gain any traction, you backed off. Now, as people are criticizing me for not posting enough, you're starting to bring this whole, "You know, I'm really suspicious of Highroller" thing back.
not always my first choice clearly because I took issues with others more, and not went into full deep dive on Rhand until recently to assure it.
Ok, so right here, you say you didn't vote Rhand because you weren't sure until recently.
I'm hard reading him over Igno and HR for compromise unless you want me to just sit on a wagon by myself end of day.
That's... No, that's not what a hardread is.
You're saying, "I'm hardreading Rhand because that's where everyone else is voting." You're basically admitting here that you're voting Rhand and don't see yourself voting anyone else because you don't see the town voting anyone else, not because you yourself have any strong read on him. That's the logical opposite of a hardread.
Jack seems different in Prison Block. More open, more natural then this game.
Was he town or mafia in that game?
How do you think his behavior compares to his behavior in Snow White Mafia?
I'm loving how people just say I have no reason to vote Rhand even though I have a big post explaining my reasons before the vote, also being hinting at it most of the day. Yes my other town reads voting there play a small part, but that is how mafia should be played this is a team game not one you can win by yourself. This whole thing about me not changing my mind is weird to me also we are in the last day, I should be somewhat decided on my vote at the end of the day by now. If he role claimed though and I beleived it I would change. Nothing is stuck in stone my own post said as much if something big happens I change. The twisting of my words and actions is scummy tbh and has clear agenda.
This late push on me is not shocking though, it has being on the cards for a while. I was fully expecting it because it has being set in the mind of people by Eco and now I feel others are trying to take adv of it because I can be seen as a easy target and easy to mistrust like in Matter mafia where I got really mad about this happening. For the record though I see Eco as town still because their push on me was fair and consistant with actual own merits and belief not taking adv of a situation.
Ok so, I feel like regardless of Rhands alignment, the gymnastics required to justify his vote makes Jack slightly more likely scum here?
Vote Jackarito
This only became gymnastics because you have put everything under the microscope, and because my playstyle involves me doing things in a roundabout way at times. It is not like Rhand suddenly appeared in my POE suddenly.
It looks to me like you were indifferent toward Rhand's wagon in facor of something happening, then you agreed with ZDS that he might be town for a reason, then one of your scumreads made points about them being scum (which didn't appear to affect your read on that scumread) now you're scumreading Rhand because of the points HR made plus a whole bunch more that weren't hinted at before 569, and now you're hardreading him over Igno and HR for reasons.
Just because I'm scumreading someone I'm not going to ignore their posts because like I just said I can be wrong, it was a good point by HR one of the only ones I think he had. It bothers me how he has not done anything with it though and just stays on Ter.
On the first point I'm indifferent because that is early in the day, and nothing has happened and it got things moving like we all were. I don't think anyone should be seriously committed to a wagon that early, this game has a lot of moving parts and people. I semi agreed with ZDS yet again this is early in the day before Rhand did anything really wrong. He was on the lower end for me sure from memory but not done enough for me to commit to a full scum read,. The 2nd part of D is the reference to me going to do something from my Notes On Rhand which I did in 569.
I'm hard reading him over Igno and HR for compromise unless you want me to just sit on a wagon by myself end of day. HR and Igno also lack heavily in content so semi giving them both a pass for today to see if tomorrow brings better content. I can't get a execute on someone in this game by myself. So I'm going to go with the one who has the most scummy content which Rhand does compared to the other 2 and also the one who is least likely to succeed. Igno and HR are tunnels/ gut reads. Rhand is the one that comes with most damning evidence and also the one that my bigger town reads also agree with. So they are multiple factors that make them the right choice today for me.
Are you saying that ZDS's point becomes irrelevant even Rhand starts acting scummy?
The problem is none of those posts before 569 hint that 569 exists in your head. 569 just comes out of nowhere.
If you want to vote the then do. If you think HR or Igno is scum make that case.
A lot of us have Igno pretty low on our lists. Idk why you'd "compromise" before trying to yeet them.
I would say ZDS comment does because the game has moved to a different stage you can't judge early day 1 compared to later day 1. Later will always have more weight because people will always have more content so easier to see issues in their thoughts.
That is because 569 is the combo of all my notes put together which I can only do on my laptop and it was something I was doing on off during day one, working through person by person. Rhand was always near the bottom I just did not have all my stuff together yet, and reading others points on him only moved him down in the meantime.
I made my cases on both to a lesser degree, but like I said less content to judge them on and less support. So better to give them another day for now, I'm not confident enough like Axel or Eco to push something so heavily by myself not in my personality espically on day one. They are rare exceptions but I'm a passive support type player rather then a hard solo pusher.
Rhand has more scum equity and done enough to be judged off fully is the answer to your last point. Igno is just a sheep who offers no new views which some players can be like and they are the type I always misskill. So giving him time to see if he improves if not I go there tomorrow like I said multi times today.
It was mainly his attack on Ter bothered me a lot and a lack of wider picture in the game. It does not feel like he is scum hunting more just semi reacting and just death tunneling Ter.I admit though they is not enough content and it is perhaps his meta which some of you seem to confirm. I have a bad habit of going on these insane tunnels though like I did in Matter because I like to trust my intial view most of the time. But I'm putting that aside for today and see how they do tomorrow since I have no chance of getting it and not had the best history in these tunnels either.
He always death tunnels though. See Elderlings for examples of him deathtunneling (basically?) all townies and a 3per.
Which is why I'm backing off for today, still have a gut read and a belief i'm right that is partly for ego purposes though. The sad fact is I have somehow got way too many town reads atm which I need to review like I said earlier, hopefully this flip can help me figure out if I'm on the right path or just plain wrong.
It looks to me like you were indifferent toward Rhand's wagon in facor of something happening, then you agreed with ZDS that he might be town for a reason, then one of your scumreads made points about them being scum (which didn't appear to affect your read on that scumread) now you're scumreading Rhand because of the points HR made plus a whole bunch more that weren't hinted at before 569, and now you're hardreading him over Igno and HR for reasons.
Just because I'm scumreading someone I'm not going to ignore their posts because like I just said I can be wrong, it was a good point by HR one of the only ones I think he had. It bothers me how he has not done anything with it though and just stays on Ter.
On the first point I'm indifferent because that is early in the day, and nothing has happened and it got things moving like we all were. I don't think anyone should be seriously committed to a wagon that early, this game has a lot of moving parts and people. I semi agreed with ZDS yet again this is early in the day before Rhand did anything really wrong. He was on the lower end for me sure from memory but not done enough for me to commit to a full scum read,. The 2nd part of D is the reference to me going to do something from my Notes On Rhand which I did in 569.
I'm hard reading him over Igno and HR for compromise unless you want me to just sit on a wagon by myself end of day. HR and Igno also lack heavily in content so semi giving them both a pass for today to see if tomorrow brings better content. I can't get a execute on someone in this game by myself. So I'm going to go with the one who has the most scummy content which Rhand does compared to the other 2 and also the one who is least likely to succeed. Igno and HR are tunnels/ gut reads. Rhand is the one that comes with most damning evidence and also the one that my bigger town reads also agree with. So they are multiple factors that make them the right choice today for me.
It was mainly his attack on Ter bothered me a lot and a lack of wider picture in the game. It does not feel like he is scum hunting more just semi reacting and just death tunneling Ter.I admit though they is not enough content and it is perhaps his meta which some of you seem to confirm. I have a bad habit of going on these insane tunnels though like I did in Matter because I like to trust my intial view most of the time. But I'm putting that aside for today and see how they do tomorrow since I have no chance of getting it and not had the best history in these tunnels either.
I do, but I think we might actually not yeet Rhand today, because Jack's progression on Rhand is ?????
what is wrong with my progression? they have being in the lower end for me all day, not always my first choice clearly because I took issues with others more, and not went into full deep dive on Rhand until recently to assure it. most of today has being me working through my wider POE and decideing if I townread them or not which I did with Axel, Sloth and GF. Eco to a lesser degree. All of them I came out with town or nullish.
See above.
Not fully understanding what the issue is apart from me half agreeing with a ZDS post in town Rhand favor which was very early. The rest of that is me seeing him as scum which is the overall consistant tone.
I do, but I think we might actually not yeet Rhand today, because Jack's progression on Rhand is ?????
what is wrong with my progression? they have being in the lower end for me all day, not always my first choice clearly because I took issues with others more, and not went into full deep dive on Rhand until recently to assure it. most of today has being me working through my wider POE and decideing if I townread them or not which I did with Axel, Sloth and GF. Eco to a lesser degree. All of them I came out with town or nullish.
It was my full thoughts on the slot because I have being calling them scum for a while, but never expanded on it to the degree that I wanted because of being busy. That post did not come out the way I wanted it to though and ended up being more ramblely then I wanted it to be. I like to put down my full thoughts before voting normally. I'm feeling rusty so falling into bad habits rather then being straight to the point, partly because of a lack of confidence also.
Remind me who you would lynch today.
My POE atm is Igno, HR, Rhand, its a bit of a shallow POE, but depending on how today ends, I review tomorrow and work out if I'm giving someone too much of a free pass, which I feel like I have today.
On Rhand I find his level of play this game frusateing they is little real scum hunting. They is a lot of complaints and being over defensive though. He starts off with a early defend of Eco,to Ter which is one of the more consistent parts of his play. After that he mainly complains about nothing happening and wants others to do his work for him.
I honestly expect a lot more I'm not the best at this, but I was able to give early thoughts off little content. Which I get attacked for because he thinks I have to many scum reads so early. Which is a bit insane to me since in my mind everyone starts off null then goes up and down. I like to try and make a small town core for day one to help me narrow down a POE which I did. His critic of this feels like he wants no scum hunting and game not to move foward.
I see him as overly defensive to Eco when they tell him he had to do things not just complain. I found his reaction to being voted as a bit nervous, even though he calls them naked votes. It feels a bit like a failed gambit telling people to vote him but never expecting them to.
Next we have his main and only real scum hunting which is weak imo but perhaps I'm biased because of my own Lagoon view. I feel like he was trying to hard to force a world narrative that Lagoon has TMI in his town reads on Axel me and ZDS. Which bothers me because of the whole town core thing day one I said before.
The whole buddy buddy thing over axel copying Lagoon readlist but no buddy would do that anyway is weird and a contradiction since he sees them as buddies but not at the same time.
I'm not sure why Ter is so low in his readlist,since he never talks about them. Sloth turns into one of his main side pushs but is null in his early read list so feels a bit forced. I also feel like he has Lagoon so low for petty reasons and being forced onto voting him because of their conflict rather then actual belief Lagoon is scum. His constant linking with Axel is also strange.
He tries to fix sone of this in his 429 to Eco which tbh feels like a big pocket attempt and trying to nudge Eco to vote with him on me to a degree. The whole last part about ego scum read them being paranoia and the back down on Vaimes feels like appeasement rather then his own beliefs because he knows how much danger he is in .
We also have a whole thing at one point when Sloth and Eco are leading wagons that he would vote Sloth because he thinks Eco wagon is unpure which is pointed at Axel and lagon at the time. My main issue here is his reason for Sloth over Eco should be because he sees Eco as town like his readlist shows, the other reason used here feels like he forgot his townread and just trying to force the Lagoon Axel narrative again.
Overall he is missing a wider picture and seems too focused on Lagoon and Axel not because he scum reads them but more he is forced to. This is also not townie because he is not compromisein on a execute . He is just trying to force a agenda while appeasing others and lacking consistency in reads out of those 2. He clearly sees me as bad but never fully pushs it but keeps, it more as a backup option. He knows others feel the same and can use it to save himself. His recent push on Sloth feels in a similar Vein not scum hunting more having escape plans. A push on Ter and Axel has never really happened off him either. He just mentions Axel a lot and like said before not sure why Ter low.
I also find how he light defends Igno and HR early and giving them free passes compared to Sloth weird also but I know that is my biased coming through lol.
So like I said before he is the right choice,today because lack of scum hunting more self pres options and a lack of consistency at times.
What was the intent of this post, Jack?
It was my full thoughts on the slot because I have being calling them scum for a while, but never expanded on it to the degree that I wanted because of being busy. That post did not come out the way I wanted it to though and ended up being more ramblely then I wanted it to be. I like to put down my full thoughts before voting normally. I'm feeling rusty so falling into bad habits rather then being straight to the point, partly because of a lack of confidence also.
Doubt I change my mind barring a big change in the last day, I should be around though if something does happen, and if anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
On Rhand I find his level of play this game frusateing they is little real scum hunting. They is a lot of complaints and being over defensive though. He starts off with a early defend of Eco,to Ter which is one of the more consistent parts of his play. After that he mainly complains about nothing happening and wants others to do his work for him.
I honestly expect a lot more I'm not the best at this, but I was able to give early thoughts off little content. Which I get attacked for because he thinks I have to many scum reads so early. Which is a bit insane to me since in my mind everyone starts off null then goes up and down. I like to try and make a small town core for day one to help me narrow down a POE which I did. His critic of this feels like he wants no scum hunting and game not to move foward.
I see him as overly defensive to Eco when they tell him he had to do things not just complain. I found his reaction to being voted as a bit nervous, even though he calls them naked votes. It feels a bit like a failed gambit telling people to vote him but never expecting them to.
Next we have his main and only real scum hunting which is weak imo but perhaps I'm biased because of my own Lagoon view. I feel like he was trying to hard to force a world narrative that Lagoon has TMI in his town reads on Axel me and ZDS. Which bothers me because of the whole town core thing day one I said before.
The whole buddy buddy thing over axel copying Lagoon readlist but no buddy would do that anyway is weird and a contradiction since he sees them as buddies but not at the same time.
I'm not sure why Ter is so low in his readlist,since he never talks about them. Sloth turns into one of his main side pushs but is null in his early read list so feels a bit forced. I also feel like he has Lagoon so low for petty reasons and being forced onto voting him because of their conflict rather then actual belief Lagoon is scum. His constant linking with Axel is also strange.
He tries to fix sone of this in his 429 to Eco which tbh feels like a big pocket attempt and trying to nudge Eco to vote with him on me to a degree. The whole last part about ego scum read them being paranoia and the back down on Vaimes feels like appeasement rather then his own beliefs because he knows how much danger he is in .
We also have a whole thing at one point when Sloth and Eco are leading wagons that he would vote Sloth because he thinks Eco wagon is unpure which is pointed at Axel and lagon at the time. My main issue here is his reason for Sloth over Eco should be because he sees Eco as town like his readlist shows, the other reason used here feels like he forgot his townread and just trying to force the Lagoon Axel narrative again.
Overall he is missing a wider picture and seems too focused on Lagoon and Axel not because he scum reads them but more he is forced to. This is also not townie because he is not compromisein on a execute . He is just trying to force a agenda while appeasing others and lacking consistency in reads out of those 2. He clearly sees me as bad but never fully pushs it but keeps, it more as a backup option. He knows others feel the same and can use it to save himself. His recent push on Sloth feels in a similar Vein not scum hunting more having escape plans. A push on Ter and Axel has never really happened off him either. He just mentions Axel a lot and like said before not sure why Ter low.
I also find how he light defends Igno and HR early and giving them free passes compared to Sloth weird also but I know that is my biased coming through lol.
So like I said before he is the right choice,today because lack of scum hunting more self pres options and a lack of consistency at times.
Does his claim not effect your view at all? It could just be a fake claim as a attempt to save himself of course, but want to know your thoughts on the claim as a whole.
The reads in 563 were me posting Grape's from his iso to see if they match with his thoughts, they are in no way my own. I should of made that clearer that was my mistake and something I regret doing because it can lead to confusion.
Could semi believe this I guess, not really the role I would expect robocop to have but not sure how much flavor matters. Intrested in others thoughts who are better aware of game design though.
I'm loving how people just say I have no reason to vote Rhand even though I have a big post explaining my reasons before the vote, also being hinting at it most of the day. Yes my other town reads voting there play a small part, but that is how mafia should be played this is a team game not one you can win by yourself. This whole thing about me not changing my mind is weird to me also we are in the last day, I should be somewhat decided on my vote at the end of the day by now. If he role claimed though and I beleived it I would change. Nothing is stuck in stone my own post said as much if something big happens I change. The twisting of my words and actions is scummy tbh and has clear agenda.
This late push on me is not shocking though, it has being on the cards for a while. I was fully expecting it because it has being set in the mind of people by Eco and now I feel others are trying to take adv of it because I can be seen as a easy target and easy to mistrust like in Matter mafia where I got really mad about this happening. For the record though I see Eco as town still because their push on me was fair and consistant with actual own merits and belief not taking adv of a situation.
This only became gymnastics because you have put everything under the microscope, and because my playstyle involves me doing things in a roundabout way at times. It is not like Rhand suddenly appeared in my POE suddenly.
I would say ZDS comment does because the game has moved to a different stage you can't judge early day 1 compared to later day 1. Later will always have more weight because people will always have more content so easier to see issues in their thoughts.
That is because 569 is the combo of all my notes put together which I can only do on my laptop and it was something I was doing on off during day one, working through person by person. Rhand was always near the bottom I just did not have all my stuff together yet, and reading others points on him only moved him down in the meantime.
I made my cases on both to a lesser degree, but like I said less content to judge them on and less support. So better to give them another day for now, I'm not confident enough like Axel or Eco to push something so heavily by myself not in my personality espically on day one. They are rare exceptions but I'm a passive support type player rather then a hard solo pusher.
Rhand has more scum equity and done enough to be judged off fully is the answer to your last point. Igno is just a sheep who offers no new views which some players can be like and they are the type I always misskill. So giving him time to see if he improves if not I go there tomorrow like I said multi times today.
Which is why I'm backing off for today, still have a gut read and a belief i'm right that is partly for ego purposes though. The sad fact is I have somehow got way too many town reads atm which I need to review like I said earlier, hopefully this flip can help me figure out if I'm on the right path or just plain wrong.
Just because I'm scumreading someone I'm not going to ignore their posts because like I just said I can be wrong, it was a good point by HR one of the only ones I think he had. It bothers me how he has not done anything with it though and just stays on Ter.
On the first point I'm indifferent because that is early in the day, and nothing has happened and it got things moving like we all were. I don't think anyone should be seriously committed to a wagon that early, this game has a lot of moving parts and people. I semi agreed with ZDS yet again this is early in the day before Rhand did anything really wrong. He was on the lower end for me sure from memory but not done enough for me to commit to a full scum read,. The 2nd part of D is the reference to me going to do something from my Notes On Rhand which I did in 569.
I'm hard reading him over Igno and HR for compromise unless you want me to just sit on a wagon by myself end of day. HR and Igno also lack heavily in content so semi giving them both a pass for today to see if tomorrow brings better content. I can't get a execute on someone in this game by myself. So I'm going to go with the one who has the most scummy content which Rhand does compared to the other 2 and also the one who is least likely to succeed. Igno and HR are tunnels/ gut reads. Rhand is the one that comes with most damning evidence and also the one that my bigger town reads also agree with. So they are multiple factors that make them the right choice today for me.
It was mainly his attack on Ter bothered me a lot and a lack of wider picture in the game. It does not feel like he is scum hunting more just semi reacting and just death tunneling Ter.I admit though they is not enough content and it is perhaps his meta which some of you seem to confirm. I have a bad habit of going on these insane tunnels though like I did in Matter because I like to trust my intial view most of the time. But I'm putting that aside for today and see how they do tomorrow since I have no chance of getting it and not had the best history in these tunnels either.
Not fully understanding what the issue is apart from me half agreeing with a ZDS post in town Rhand favor which was very early. The rest of that is me seeing him as scum which is the overall consistant tone.
what is wrong with my progression? they have being in the lower end for me all day, not always my first choice clearly because I took issues with others more, and not went into full deep dive on Rhand until recently to assure it. most of today has being me working through my wider POE and decideing if I townread them or not which I did with Axel, Sloth and GF. Eco to a lesser degree. All of them I came out with town or nullish.
My POE atm is Igno, HR, Rhand, its a bit of a shallow POE, but depending on how today ends, I review tomorrow and work out if I'm giving someone too much of a free pass, which I feel like I have today.
It was my full thoughts on the slot because I have being calling them scum for a while, but never expanded on it to the degree that I wanted because of being busy. That post did not come out the way I wanted it to though and ended up being more ramblely then I wanted it to be. I like to put down my full thoughts before voting normally. I'm feeling rusty so falling into bad habits rather then being straight to the point, partly because of a lack of confidence also.
Doubt I change my mind barring a big change in the last day, I should be around though if something does happen, and if anyone has any questions feel free to ask.
I honestly expect a lot more I'm not the best at this, but I was able to give early thoughts off little content. Which I get attacked for because he thinks I have to many scum reads so early. Which is a bit insane to me since in my mind everyone starts off null then goes up and down. I like to try and make a small town core for day one to help me narrow down a POE which I did. His critic of this feels like he wants no scum hunting and game not to move foward.
I see him as overly defensive to Eco when they tell him he had to do things not just complain. I found his reaction to being voted as a bit nervous, even though he calls them naked votes. It feels a bit like a failed gambit telling people to vote him but never expecting them to.
Next we have his main and only real scum hunting which is weak imo but perhaps I'm biased because of my own Lagoon view. I feel like he was trying to hard to force a world narrative that Lagoon has TMI in his town reads on Axel me and ZDS. Which bothers me because of the whole town core thing day one I said before.
The whole buddy buddy thing over axel copying Lagoon readlist but no buddy would do that anyway is weird and a contradiction since he sees them as buddies but not at the same time.
I'm not sure why Ter is so low in his readlist,since he never talks about them. Sloth turns into one of his main side pushs but is null in his early read list so feels a bit forced. I also feel like he has Lagoon so low for petty reasons and being forced onto voting him because of their conflict rather then actual belief Lagoon is scum. His constant linking with Axel is also strange.
He tries to fix sone of this in his 429 to Eco which tbh feels like a big pocket attempt and trying to nudge Eco to vote with him on me to a degree. The whole last part about ego scum read them being paranoia and the back down on Vaimes feels like appeasement rather then his own beliefs because he knows how much danger he is in .
We also have a whole thing at one point when Sloth and Eco are leading wagons that he would vote Sloth because he thinks Eco wagon is unpure which is pointed at Axel and lagon at the time. My main issue here is his reason for Sloth over Eco should be because he sees Eco as town like his readlist shows, the other reason used here feels like he forgot his townread and just trying to force the Lagoon Axel narrative again.
Overall he is missing a wider picture and seems too focused on Lagoon and Axel not because he scum reads them but more he is forced to. This is also not townie because he is not compromisein on a execute . He is just trying to force a agenda while appeasing others and lacking consistency in reads out of those 2. He clearly sees me as bad but never fully pushs it but keeps, it more as a backup option. He knows others feel the same and can use it to save himself. His recent push on Sloth feels in a similar Vein not scum hunting more having escape plans. A push on Ter and Axel has never really happened off him either. He just mentions Axel a lot and like said before not sure why Ter low.
I also find how he light defends Igno and HR early and giving them free passes compared to Sloth weird also but I know that is my biased coming through lol.
So like I said before he is the right choice,today because lack of scum hunting more self pres options and a lack of consistency at times.