Not sure if I should comment on this since I'm fairly new here, and likely considered as more of a MC guy by most, but I consider this my new mafia home tbh.
I agree with what Osie has to say about MU personally, I came to this site and started playing here, because I heard good things about it off a couple of my friends mainly Wisp, Osie Togs and Proph. I loved it here pretty much straight away because you have that small close community thing, that I personally love. MC/MS as we used to be called had that a lot more back in the day so playing here made me feel nolgastic I guess.
I don't get that from MU which is why I can't play there about Champ and team events. This is nothing on the people from there because a lot are great in my exp. I just find MU a little bit too big, and lacking in heart, it felt more like a job/chore playing there because it feels like a business at times and too imposing. It does not feel like a community at all, and that is something which is important for me when it comes to mafia, I enjoy the games for many reasons, but I also enjoy it because it led to me making a lot of friends and a lot of other good times be it *****ing in spec chat or just chatting in general.
So I selfishly would like you to choose MC for those reasons because based off what some of you have said that is why you enjoy mafia also, I can't gurantee it will be great, I'm still staff there and used to be leader before Osie took over and build it back up to what it is today. My work lately there has being slacking for multiple reasons, doing a merge though would likely give me new energy to try and make it better again though since I think you all would make it more like the place that I spend perhaps the best 3 years of my life. Osie has already done a way better job selling it then me though, I never know the right to say lol.
Like I said though I have no real right to say anything this is your home, and you all build it up, so you should all make the choice that is right for you. I just wanted to give me piece feel free to ignore it.
Listen, objectively, so long as I was alive we lost this game no matter what.
I would have killed anyone before I killed Jack this game and didn't care to revisit it. I ****ed up badly.
Sorry - but I am super glad this game didn't end up being by-the-numbers as it appeared it was going to be originally.
I have no idea why you townread me though, it's not like I took your side in anything. I wanted you dead half the game
...welp...as much as I love getting lectured and yelled at after I apologize and admit I ****ed up...think I'll just skip this one.
Please understand, as frustrating as it is, it’s just a game. Nobody is really going to care 24 hours after whoever makes the last post.
On the other hand, one thing I can’t immediately let go was the constant attempt to skip the actual discussion part of the game [where the teamwork happens] in favor of just quickly flipping people until MyLo, and then flipping some more. I don’t know why it manifested in a mini of all setups, which naturally has shorter-than-standard deadlines for MTGS. It’s neither fun nor fair, and that needs to be addressed regardless of who wins. And I’m *****ing about it now because I don’t want it to happen again, to anyone, ever.
For example, with time to reread, someone might have noticed that Axelrod crumbed his flavor with his gifs, and that would out the scum who tried to claim his flavor.
This isn’t even directed at you specifically. I’m just as guilty with putting Grape in hammer range so early, I know what it feels like to think “yeah the game is basically over who cares.”
Tbh when asked to claim I took so long because I was iso Axel to see if he hinted at it. Eventually I realized though neither Sloth or Ter cared enough to check so just went with it
TBF that's a lesson you have to learn the hard way. I used to tunnel like that A LOT. Eventually you realize that if you're too certain, you're probably missing something.
This is very true death tunnelling rarely works, but in some cases like with Eco this game it can. I have had a lot of experiances of this both ways as Matter game showed.
GG Jack. Even if I had been able to make my analysis posts, I probably would have cleared you mostly for that wagon D1. That was a pretty good bus.
I was gonna ask you to post more and maybe I would have got there, but that bus was pretty good.
Hopefully this is a lesson that tunneling is bad and analysis is important.
Not letting people post/post a decent amount only helps scum. The less info in the game the better for them.
This is a good hint about my scum play, I tend to struggle to pressure people that I know are town so normally end up resort to bussing, not something I'm proud of but is something that happens. A lot of town were playing really good games also which made it harder to push you all. Lucky for me my teammates bussing me back so heavily gave me a good town spot, then the good old town paranoia of each other took over which was helped by speed kills. If I was more in my prime scum days I would have the confidence to push back on people more, but those days are long gone.
You had me sweating day one though your push on me while I think was wrong for the reaosns you gave, it put pressure on me I did not want at a time when my team was under pressure and others had me in their sights. Axel saved me big time when he got you to back off. Then I just took adv of the rhand kill and lived off that.
....Seriously Jack. Just vote next time. What was the point in the slow role when you'd won?
Sorry Town
I was partly not here and when I was, I wanted to make sure neither of you unvoted just before I voted. I have big fears of outting my self at the last moment.
Jack had a great Day 1, and kudos to Eco slash the people who scumread him correctly. But then he was allowed to coast because "phases are too long town doesn't need to talk about things."
This is very true and semi annoyed me even though I won off it. You all wanted to just speed run this game so I could just live off day one and not push people. The only pushs I did this game were on my team. The vig kills helped a lot also.
I' a Vengeful Rb when I die at night I'm given a choice to pick someone to be RB for the next night, so it sort of sucks that I lived this long. My movie is also back to the future
...wait, you also take the ability of whoever you dig up???? That is nowhere in the description of the role. How the hell was I supposed to know that?
And @Jack based on your comments, you readily accept that/expected it? Was that a regular part of the gravedigger role that I forgot? 'Cause if so, I guess I definitely did.
That is what I expect a grave digger to do and it has being like that in most games I played. My games might just be weird though and based off the second NK it makes sense that is what it would be.
You've gotten into my heart already, Jackie-boy
Agreed.
What do you think of Ter's... ....claim....? I want to say it's a claim but nothing she's saying makes sense to me.
Also do you think Goo would have targeted her with his ability?
Forgot to answer last bit, well I never got a message, he clearly did not trust you imo and likely he did check KJ. So that would leave ZDS as the only other person he could send message to. Which also seems not true imo. So yes I think Goo did send it to her.
So that leaves me ZDS and Sloth. Sloth was really low for me before this, but his play so far today is good, and ZDS has not really been great this game especially compared to my other exps with him as town. His end of day voting to try and force it on Eco over Rhand, if I remember right is espically bad. He fooled me badly in Prison so really don't want another repeat of that which is semi making me lean that way, which is a bad thing to admit lol. This is not somethign we should rush though.
Also since last scum is likely a janitor or something similar based off Axel flip, and also highly unlikely town had 2 vigs for many reasons. This means that she is likely telling the truth and should be clear here unless I'm being dumb and missing something.
I agree with what Osie has to say about MU personally, I came to this site and started playing here, because I heard good things about it off a couple of my friends mainly Wisp, Osie Togs and Proph. I loved it here pretty much straight away because you have that small close community thing, that I personally love. MC/MS as we used to be called had that a lot more back in the day so playing here made me feel nolgastic I guess.
I don't get that from MU which is why I can't play there about Champ and team events. This is nothing on the people from there because a lot are great in my exp. I just find MU a little bit too big, and lacking in heart, it felt more like a job/chore playing there because it feels like a business at times and too imposing. It does not feel like a community at all, and that is something which is important for me when it comes to mafia, I enjoy the games for many reasons, but I also enjoy it because it led to me making a lot of friends and a lot of other good times be it *****ing in spec chat or just chatting in general.
So I selfishly would like you to choose MC for those reasons because based off what some of you have said that is why you enjoy mafia also, I can't gurantee it will be great, I'm still staff there and used to be leader before Osie took over and build it back up to what it is today. My work lately there has being slacking for multiple reasons, doing a merge though would likely give me new energy to try and make it better again though since I think you all would make it more like the place that I spend perhaps the best 3 years of my life. Osie has already done a way better job selling it then me though, I never know the right to say lol.
Like I said though I have no real right to say anything this is your home, and you all build it up, so you should all make the choice that is right for you. I just wanted to give me piece feel free to ignore it.
I have no idea why you townread me though, it's not like I took your side in anything. I wanted you dead half the game
Tbh when asked to claim I took so long because I was iso Axel to see if he hinted at it. Eventually I realized though neither Sloth or Ter cared enough to check so just went with it
This is very true death tunnelling rarely works, but in some cases like with Eco this game it can. I have had a lot of experiances of this both ways as Matter game showed.
This is a good hint about my scum play, I tend to struggle to pressure people that I know are town so normally end up resort to bussing, not something I'm proud of but is something that happens. A lot of town were playing really good games also which made it harder to push you all. Lucky for me my teammates bussing me back so heavily gave me a good town spot, then the good old town paranoia of each other took over which was helped by speed kills. If I was more in my prime scum days I would have the confidence to push back on people more, but those days are long gone.
You had me sweating day one though your push on me while I think was wrong for the reaosns you gave, it put pressure on me I did not want at a time when my team was under pressure and others had me in their sights. Axel saved me big time when he got you to back off. Then I just took adv of the rhand kill and lived off that.
I was partly not here and when I was, I wanted to make sure neither of you unvoted just before I voted. I have big fears of outting my self at the last moment.
People day one did KJ and Eco had me caught hard. I did not want to kill Eco day one because I felt bad because they had me dead to rights.
Not sure why you all took my RC on face value also I just stole Axel role.
This is very true and semi annoyed me even though I won off it. You all wanted to just speed run this game so I could just live off day one and not push people. The only pushs I did this game were on my team. The vig kills helped a lot also.
I'm trusting Ter on this she knows Sloth way better then me, ZDS end of day one play does make him look more scum also.
Hopefully I'm right on this. I also can't see Ter as scum for reasons given eariler.
That is what I expect a grave digger to do and it has being like that in most games I played. My games might just be weird though and based off the second NK it makes sense that is what it would be.
Forgot to answer last bit, well I never got a message, he clearly did not trust you imo and likely he did check KJ. So that would leave ZDS as the only other person he could send message to. Which also seems not true imo. So yes I think Goo did send it to her.