You're the one with more experience playing Mafia, with me or otherwise. I know how I think I play but my naturally biased opinion doesn't really hold the same weight as asking someone who's played with me and had to read my before. Reading me in RL is not the same as in a game.
@Last
That's about it. I'm fairly confident in my ability to eventually read her as scum. If I don't think she is by D3, then she definitely isn't (until she is and won't that be embarrassing for me?)
Anyway, no Scum!Ter so far.
Apathy = doesn't really care. Defensiveness by its definition implies care. Zio doesn't really seem worried about his wagon. I didn't really get defensiveness from his post on his posts vs jacks.
Interesting, I saw a lot of pretending not to care.
Not dismissing your thought, but curious where the divide is. Do you have a lot of experience with Zi?
Years ago. Long before most of you have been on this site. I couldn't even tell you the name of the games. Basic(s), Hecatea*? Few others.
interesting
I read it as "excitedly premature" and that feels towny to me
Your homework is to underline the sentence that conveys any sort of excitement.
its not about a sentence using "excited" diction. Its about an approach.
In that post rhand quoted hes talking about tells that likely arent real during RVS stage. He basically listened to me about backing off last but expressed he didnt have anything else to do.
That is someone <excited> for this game to get going so he can solve it. As rhand said it does feel like a rusty player. Which i also just... know to be true.
But based on "rusty" it feels like hes tilting at windmills to get loose, not like hes "just doing stuff to shake off the rust"
Which is a subtle difference but i think im into it
@KJ: Your immediate reaction to this post drew my attention.
Given that it keeps coming up, can you elaborate?
My votes is where its meant to currently be. I haven't decided so it's in my pocket.
What's your take on Jack's weird "I don't know why you don't want to lynch two inactive players but my first "good lynch" is based on info gathering due to a player's activity?"
Point me to the post in question 'cause not sure what you mean.
Apathy = doesn't really care. Defensiveness by its definition implies care. Zio doesn't really seem worried about his wagon. I didn't really get defensiveness from his post on his posts vs jacks.
Interesting, I saw a lot of pretending not to care.
Not dismissing your thought, but curious where the divide is. Do you have a lot of experience with Zi?
Jack's entry post is okay - Grape, explain your vote?
And that's it!
Really? Nothing about that seemed similar to Zion’s talk for the sake of talking but take not positions post to you?
Not really.
Jack was following vague threads on various players that eventually, naturally, cohesively form a solid thought.
Zi was saying things that are ultimately hollow, now and in the future. Note the past tense in light of what he’s doing now, but that appears to be responsive to pressure rather than out of a true desire to solve the game and even then what he’s saying is not really solid.
@all: If no one’s verbalized the difference between the two yet, there, I’ve done it for you.
Ok I have issues with this you claim part of your reason for voting me is because you town read Grape and KCC, explain to me how and why last time you talked about Grape it sounded like you scumread him more then anything. Also KCC RVS me and not done enough to be anything but null so I find this stance hard to believe and just sounds like a excuse.
On me hedgeing why would I not at that point in the game I don't have god knowledge on people's side so lack confidence in my reads since people can just be bad town or have a weird play style. My way is to slowly evaluate a person over time and weigh negs to pos. Expecting me to have conviction on people in my first post is a bit extreme as well. On why I'm not voting you not really sure, but considering it everyone knows my view so no need to vote really.
Also I'm not only concerned with those voting me, but since I know my role it makes sense to me that those pushing me could be scum so not a bad place to start, I have gave thoughts on others as well so this is false that I only focus on those voting me.
On lack of conviction yes it looks bad I know that and why I'm used to defending myself, my issue is more that your every action lacks conviction rather then just reads on people, the back down on Wisp and other things just feels like trying to do enough. Rather then wanting to catch scum. Also I'm a hypocrite
This post is a town post.
I was going to make a short note about how this wagon should not be and how I'm not willing to lynch Jack (at least not this phase) but now I see that Grape and Zi are the only ones in it.
On that note, @grape not trying to put words in your mouth, but were your townreads voting him really the driving force beyond your vote? Am I remembering that right?
I’m getting a real defensive vibe from Zion and Jackrito. Is this typical from these players? They’re both exhibiting some “anyone but me” and Flargbarg is like a pivot point? I like Flarg’s approach so scum theatre isn’t a thing but, I kinda think there’s one in Zion/Jackrito.
I stole. And I robbed. And I kidnapped... the President's son. And held him for ransom.
Prison Mike, what was the worst thing about prison???
Oh, I guess I need to actually vote if I'm gonna start a counterwagon
vote grape
Interesting. Talk to me about this more read.
I see it’s gaining some steam, but my only experience with Grape is a game in MU where I picked up oddities somewhat similar to those you’re bringing up, and wasted a lot of time chasing him on it, only for him to be town.
What would town!Grape have done differently?
OK finally got around to this game, and after reading everything I really don't have as much of a stance on people that I would like. The best I can offer is Killjoy for me is town for now their posts just come off as casual, but this is easy to fake for some people so not much of a town read.
Flarg can also be town for his approach early actually trying to get the game moving forward, and had some conviction, sadly as soon as pushed they backed down, and went back to Wisp this worries me since it looked like panic so went to a safer vote, maybe just me being overly paranoid though so with that in mind my view may change but town for now.
Apart from that some slight town reads on others namely Vamies, Rhand but more just gut then anything of substance, I sadly have no real scum reads at this point but this is likely still RVS so not that shocking but annoying all the same. Zionite style is perhaps the most triggering to me as scum but not really sure what about it bothers me. KCC and Tubba also post but add nothing really but maybe i'm expecting too much this early though.
Only person I have real exp with is Wisp who is playing weird so not sure how to read it atm since he gave reasons which make sense so null on him for now.
Getting used to longer day phases is going to be weird since I like things done at a faster tempo, getting used to the different culture and peoples existing dyanmics with each other is going to be new as well.
Could you take any more actions to have less of a committed stance? That's what's 'triggering' for me. The opportunistic part is where you continue to do this 'hedging' in post after post, and I don't understand why you're not already voting me if you think I'm fake and scum.
@Flarg: What's the difference between my posts and Jackaritos?
So, now that it's been answered, what exactly prompted this question?
See above. I see this turfing of half-reads so that Jack can go with whatever vote is beneficial later down the road and it won't be weird because the read was half-right. It seems like Jack is keeping options open. The question was posed to see if Flarg thought this was a problem as well, which it doesn't seem to be the case.
Hm. Nah, sorry, not seeing it.
If this was, say, halfway into D2, or even closing on the deadline of D1, I’d probably be swayed more by the argument, but this early in the game such response are not uncommon. Plus it seems more of him working out his thoughts, which is…how thinking works.
Ok after looking at Zion which I have being meaning to do anyway, since they have stood out to me most this game as being off. Like Fralge said they is a bit of a disconnect at times, if that is the right way to say it. They are attempts to do things like pushing Wisp and talking about the meta gaming early. All of it just feels weak and lacks commitment to a degree I guess.
Lacks commitment? So you'd agree with me that lacking commitment would look scummy, right? Just holding you to the same logic you're using for me.
Also, this was a really long-winded way of saying OMGUS.
I'm putting Flarg as tentatively Town.
He makes too much sense and voices thoughts I had but decided not to share just in case. If we're mind-melding and he's scum, then I'm truly cocking things up royally - so here's hoping I notice it eventually if so!
Ok, time to sleep. Wanna see more of Tubba, GJ, YWF and Rhand (hope you're feeling better!) tomorrow.
I think Dork hasn't posted at all?
That's about it. I'm fairly confident in my ability to eventually read her as scum. If I don't think she is by D3, then she definitely isn't (until she is and won't that be embarrassing for me?)
Anyway, no Scum!Ter so far.
Noted. Ultimately doesn't sway me as a result.
Given that it keeps coming up, can you elaborate?
Not dismissing your thought, but curious where the divide is. Do you have a lot of experience with Zi?
Also, where’s your vote?
A thousand pardons, your grace. It is I who is at fault for revealing what you didn’t think to tell me was a secret
Not really.
Jack was following vague threads on various players that eventually, naturally, cohesively form a solid thought.
Zi was saying things that are ultimately hollow, now and in the future. Note the past tense in light of what he’s doing now, but that appears to be responsive to pressure rather than out of a true desire to solve the game and even then what he’s saying is not really solid.
@all: If no one’s verbalized the difference between the two yet, there, I’ve done it for you.
Nope.
Yep.
Join me on Zi!
I was going to make a short note about how this wagon should not be and how I'm not willing to lynch Jack (at least not this phase) but now I see that Grape and Zi are the only ones in it.
On that note, @grape not trying to put words in your mouth, but were your townreads voting him really the driving force beyond your vote? Am I remembering that right?
I see it’s gaining some steam, but my only experience with Grape is a game in MU where I picked up oddities somewhat similar to those you’re bringing up, and wasted a lot of time chasing him on it, only for him to be town.
What would town!Grape have done differently?
If this was, say, halfway into D2, or even closing on the deadline of D1, I’d probably be swayed more by the argument, but this early in the game such response are not uncommon. Plus it seems more of him working out his thoughts, which is…how thinking works.
Also, this was a really long-winded way of saying OMGUS.
I'm putting Flarg as tentatively Town.
He makes too much sense and voices thoughts I had but decided not to share just in case. If we're mind-melding and he's scum, then I'm truly cocking things up royally - so here's hoping I notice it eventually if so!
Ok, time to sleep. Wanna see more of Tubba, GJ, YWF and Rhand (hope you're feeling better!) tomorrow.
I think Dork hasn't posted at all?
Thoughts for later. Night!