Prefacing this by noting that I did no additional re-read before doing it.
I'm also working under the assumption that each cell could contain 1 scum, just for convenient PoE reasons.
Also, don't take town/scum reads as strong or light. Unless I'm voting for you.
So.
A. Grapefuit21 - eh, willing to vote.
A. Tomsloger - haven't ISO'd yet, but almost exactly as willing to vote as I am Grape, actually.
A. YWFMLF - townread, won't vote this phase.
B. Gentleman Johnny - townread, won't vote this phase.
B. Killjoy - eh. Won't vote this phase.
B. Zionite - currently AM voting and keep being given reasons to do so.
C. Lastwhisper - townread, won't vote this phase. (watch for pockets)
C. Slothful - This ****er's always up to something.
C. Tubba Fett - *
D. Jackrito - townread, won't vote this phase (also watch for pockets)
D. KittyCupCake - eh. Won't vote this phase, though I'm waiting on responses from her.
D. ZeDorkSlipeur - ??? Do something.
E. FlargBlarg - townread, won't vote this phase
E. Rhand - townread, won't vote this phase
E. Vaimes - Need to ISO immediately.
* "Prison Mike" protection parameters in place. (Though out of everyone in my cell, he's the one I'd probably lynch if pushed, solely due to quantity.)
There you have it. Given that there's likely 3 (certainly no more than 4) scum in this game, and that there is the possibility that there is more than one per cell, there's also every chance that there's 1 or more cells that's just Town too.
So, Zi, Grapefruit, need to look at Tom and Vaimes, and off in the bleachers, Dork and Tubba.
I think you’re missing my point which is there’s a disconnect between saying “i don’t know wha=y two people who have almost no activity aren’t in this potential lynch pool” and “Flarg has a lot of activity and is a good info-lynch.”
In one breath Jack’s claiming to understand lynching people with high activity for info when in the one before that he’s low-key griping that the lynch pool didn’t include non active players. If you understand you can lynch active players for info than you grasp lynching non active players is a waste.
I feel like you're right and I may be because didn't I directly address the high-volume aspect of that in the second part of the post you're quoting?
As for the low-poster part, Jack addressed it in #438 and #439 in a way that I thought was fair enough not to follow up on.
Not used to being in the ppotential lynch pool on day one, I'm fine with it tbh. Not really sure what KCC and Tubba did to not be in it though,i assume that this is because of meta knowledge or some nonsense since both have being underwhelming to the extreme.
On the other two I really don't rememeber anything YWFM has done this game so guess I should look at them, Flarg is a good lynch for info gathering since they have being the centre of attention so far, like I said eariler I see them as a slight town read but that has fell a bit recently. I want to relook at them as a whole to be sure.
Zion is someone I still have issues with also
I mean, it's not a done deal. I kinda threw it together on the fly to get some discussion going.
It is meta-related, yes.
Do you find that center-of-attention slots flip scum or town more often?
I find it varies from person to person Wisp for example will be center of attention no matter what side he is. Normally in my exp scum will try to be passive and do just enough to not be suspected, but not enough to be questioned why still alive. Certain people can powerwolf though where you need to be the driving force. It all comes down to confidence and belief though.
I’ll post more later just keeping up with reading. [I definitely didn’t remember KCCs vote was RVS. I’m also feeling less confident KCC is town.(1)]
Tom is either really good at reads or scum going for points because “he knew” I’m town. I’m going with town and really good.
Jack wanting to Lynch Flarg for info was bad. I was even kind of second guessing going in on my last post but I figured it was already done and totally valid. Still is. [My whole point was that hedging and lack of commitment isn’t necessarily and indicator of alignment.(2)] I also wanted to see how players responded. I still think he could be scum but less so now.
Also [feeling better about Last whisper and Laser Letters given recent posts(4)]. I prefer the walls occasionally. [Grape seemed to drop Jack kinda fast, felt he was going harder than I was. I’m less confident in Grape now.(3)]
I think I should barn Tom on Vaimes because I’ve consistently liked his posts the most. Then later actually read Vaimes to see if it’s a good bet to run up. But with players like sloth hung up on me it might be worth running myself up just to get it over with.
But yes, now the thread is getting juicy.
So on this post, you establish:
Even though she was your townread at the time, you didn't read KCC's post close enough to see that it was an RVS; despite it being her literal first post so impossible to miss.
Hedging/Lack of commitment not being an indicator. I agree with this but that is seriously not what you were saying earlier. This feels like trying to backtrack.
Further changes unexplained changes on Grape.
What Last and Ter have done to make you feel better? I'm assuming it's more than walls.
@Tom, what is your reaction to #480? Asking for a friend.
@Zi ftr I do hear what you're saying about hang-ups and despite the fact that the way you pointed it out made it slightly AtE, I am honestly trying to see things from different angles. This is why I'm engaging you at all, rather than just dismiss you as scum. This may sound obnoxious as hell, but the burden of innocence is on you to prove, not on me to believe.
On that note, whenever you get around to this would be great:
The point of being opportunistic is the core of my vote, and my town-read on Grape and KCC supporting your wagon.
Zi, in light of #153 (and #199): Explain your progression from that to this. How did you get to the point of sheeping Grape to this point.
KCC was unmistakably a RVS no-substance vote so her being on Jack since #11 is not even worth acknowledging as something that would have influenced you if you were actually paying attention to your townreads.
I guess my homework today is to ISO Tom and Vaimes.
FTR, so far I've been mostly having them on "corner of my eye" status: Tom always reads scummy to me in every game we've played together, and Vaimes has just seemed like Vaimes in his post.
I did do a double-take at #445 when Vaimes put me in his townblock, cause I'm pretty sure that's literally the first time that has ever happened, ever. I also don't think I've played with him as scum since returning from my 5-year hiatus, so will have to keep in mind I don't know what scum!von looks like.
My intention was for the spoiler to contradict it enough that it would be clear the original was a joke. But I'm very bad at jokes.
Hah. That's actually a point against you.
Alright, I'mma level with you: I'm in no hurry to sort you out.
I'm also have no problem voting you if it comes to that, though I would prefer Zi. Hesitations and plausibility aside, the bad stacks up and people that know you better than me are more certain on you than anyone else. So,
Maybe I am just cynical, but I missed about 40 posts from work, and feel like nothing of substance was really said, apart from my last post back and forth with tom.
No, you're correct. There's a reason I'm trying to wring out analysis from everything like a dried out canteen in a hot desert.
Talk to me about Von.
What are your thoughts on Tom, and has anything changed with you on Zi based on the ongoing discussion?
Ugh. This was the problem with you at MCU too. You had a knack for saying very damning things with very unlikely yet just plausible enough explanations.
[quote from="KittyCupCake »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/816321-prison-block-mafia-ii-day-1-orange-dawn?comment=431"]A: the type of person who types through their thoughts that way is uncommon in general
B: if they aren't that type of person they are scum (this feels relatively unlikely now)
Yeah, you're going to walk me through B. Are you saying: If they aren't that type of person, they are scum...but now it's unlikely despite this being your argument for Jack being so?
Yes, I know you unvoted. Doesn't matter.
As for the line about leaving them alive that was entirely a joke at wisp's expense. He'd said something about Jackrito becoming clearer as more time passes which is true for everyone and not a particular useful approach when he's the only person in the game familiar with Jack.
The point of being opportunistic is the core of my vote, and my town-read on Grape and KCC supporting your wagon.
Zi, in light of #153 (and #199): Explain your progression from that to this. How did you get to the point of sheeping Grape to this point.
KCC was unmistakably a RVS no-substance vote so her being on Jack since #11 is not even worth acknowledging as something that would have influenced you if you were actually paying attention to your townreads.
Lol Rhand. What do you want me to do? I think we're getting to a substantive spot. Admittedly nothing to go after right now, give it time. I only ask you let me do my thing when the thread gets juicy, and evaluate me based on that.
Btw, when do you qualify the thread as being "juicy"?
I find it weird and flaily to say that Jack doesn't understand why two inactive players with little to no posting aren't being considered for L1 and in the same post that his "good lynch" pick is Flarg cause of his activity and the info gathering it brings.
THIS seems panicky...in one breath you don't understand not lynching players that would give no info due to inactivity but in the next you want to lynch for info based on activity.
Ah, that one.
There was no actual heat on him: KCC had voted as a clear RVS on her very first post (and later admitted it meant nothing to no one's surprise).
Grape voted him for reasoning that I feel half of us have labeled strange. (Oddly Grape didn't play it off as also a joke, hm.)
The two others that were possibly discussing him were also saying that it wouldn't be him (Last and Vaimes (HAH, I did it!)) and in fact were voting you at the time.
Based on this and his reactions and statements before or after, I don't see any flailing and panicking, just casual remarks while working things out.
At the time of this post, there was also a "heavy" (by this game's standards) discussion between last, flarg and me - so given the gamestate clarity on Flarg would have been good. Not that this is necessarily a town or scum move.
Not used to being in the ppotential lynch pool on day one, I'm fine with it tbh. Not really sure what KCC and Tubba did to not be in it though,i assume that this is because of meta knowledge or some nonsense since both have being underwhelming to the extreme.
On the other two I really don't rememeber anything YWFM has done this game so guess I should look at them, Flarg is a good lynch for info gathering since they have being the centre of attention so far, like I said eariler I see them as a slight town read but that has fell a bit recently. I want to relook at them as a whole to be sure.
Zion is someone I still have issues with also
I mean, it's not a done deal. I kinda threw it together on the fly to get some discussion going.
It is meta-related, yes.
Do you find that center-of-attention slots flip scum or town more often?
I find it varies from person to person Wisp for example will be center of attention no matter what side he is. Normally in my exp scum will try to be passive and do just enough to not be suspected, but not enough to be questioned why still alive. Certain people can powerwolf though where you need to be the driving force. It all comes down to confidence and belief though.
Prefacing this by noting that I did no additional re-read before doing it.
I'm also working under the assumption that each cell could contain 1 scum, just for convenient PoE reasons.
Also, don't take town/scum reads as strong or light. Unless I'm voting for you.
So.
A. Grapefuit21 - eh, willing to vote.
A. Tomsloger - haven't ISO'd yet, but almost exactly as willing to vote as I am Grape, actually.
A. YWFMLF - townread, won't vote this phase.
B. Gentleman Johnny - townread, won't vote this phase.
B. Killjoy - eh. Won't vote this phase.
B. Zionite - currently AM voting and keep being given reasons to do so.
C. Lastwhisper - townread, won't vote this phase. (watch for pockets)
C. Slothful - This ****er's always up to something.
C. Tubba Fett -
D. Jackrito - townread, won't vote this phase (also watch for pockets)
D. KittyCupCake - eh. Won't vote this phase, though I'm waiting on responses from her.
D. ZeDorkSlipeur - ??? Do something.
E. FlargBlarg - townread, won't vote this phase
E. Rhand - townread, won't vote this phase
E. Vaimes - Need to ISO immediately.
* "Prison Mike" protection parameters in place. (Though out of everyone in my cell, he's the one I'd probably lynch if pushed, solely due to quantity.)
There you have it. Given that there's likely 3 (certainly no more than 4) scum in this game, and that there is the possibility that there is more than one per cell, there's also every chance that there's 1 or more cells that's just Town too.
So, Zi, Grapefruit, need to look at Tom and Vaimes, and off in the bleachers, Dork and Tubba.
As for the low-poster part, Jack addressed it in #438 and #439 in a way that I thought was fair enough not to follow up on.
That does remind me. @Jack:I still want a (direct) response.
@Tom, what is your reaction to #480? Asking for a friend.
@Zi ftr I do hear what you're saying about hang-ups and despite the fact that the way you pointed it out made it slightly AtE, I am honestly trying to see things from different angles. This is why I'm engaging you at all, rather than just dismiss you as scum. This may sound obnoxious as hell, but the burden of innocence is on you to prove, not on me to believe.
On that note, whenever you get around to this would be great:
(Also, acknowledge my hilarious joke damn you.)Explain how that makes him scum?
FTR, so far I've been mostly having them on "corner of my eye" status: Tom always reads scummy to me in every game we've played together, and Vaimes has just seemed like Vaimes in his post.
I did do a double-take at #445 when Vaimes put me in his townblock, cause I'm pretty sure that's literally the first time that has ever happened, ever. I also don't think I've played with him as scum since returning from my 5-year hiatus, so will have to keep in mind I don't know what scum!von looks like.
Alright, I'mma level with you: I'm in no hurry to sort you out.
I'm also have no problem voting you if it comes to that, though I would prefer Zi. Hesitations and plausibility aside, the bad stacks up and people that know you better than me are more certain on you than anyone else. So,
No, you're correct. There's a reason I'm trying to wring out analysis from everything like a dried out canteen in a hot desert.
Talk to me about Von.
What are your thoughts on Tom, and has anything changed with you on Zi based on the ongoing discussion?
Welp. Here we go again.
Von, where does Rhand fit in your readings? Not asking for a definite read, just leanings.
Yes, I know you unvoted. Doesn't matter.
Point me to that post, please.
KCC was unmistakably a RVS no-substance vote so her being on Jack since #11 is not even worth acknowledging as something that would have influenced you if you were actually paying attention to your townreads.
So What's...Eating Gilbert Grape?
Gonna sit here and see what happens.
There was no actual heat on him: KCC had voted as a clear RVS on her very first post (and later admitted it meant nothing to no one's surprise).
Grape voted him for reasoning that I feel half of us have labeled strange. (Oddly Grape didn't play it off as also a joke, hm.)
The two others that were possibly discussing him were also saying that it wouldn't be him (Last and Vaimes (HAH, I did it!)) and in fact were voting you at the time.
Based on this and his reactions and statements before or after, I don't see any flailing and panicking, just casual remarks while working things out.
At the time of this post, there was also a "heavy" (by this game's standards) discussion between last, flarg and me - so given the gamestate clarity on Flarg would have been good. Not that this is necessarily a town or scum move.
Still, why not:
Jack, how do you reconcile the bolded?