MTG Salvation

You noticed that, too, right?

Have any other artists' works been replaced in this set? So far I only noticed on these two cards. Seaman's work *is* great, though.

Thrilled to see new Zendikar art, even if it'll take a bit longer for full previews. Thanks for the update!

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Everyone here's rejoicing and all, but where did all the "Jumpstart is a waste of money, made for dumb Timmies who like getting swindled" people go?

Hope this isn't considered spamming or derailing the thread, but since you ask:

The loud crowd of people hating on a product and the loud crowd of people praising that product probably consist of *different* individuals. Maybe I misunderstood you, but this seems to be you making the argument that the same people flip-flop on their stance. If I'm wrong, I apologize. If I'm right, I'll need to see examples of specific individuals bashing JMP as a whole as well as lauding it.

Lots of nice cards and artworks.

I hope they'll errata the "new"/nerfed first strike to "first strike on your turn" or "first strike during your turn" to safe text space. Even just "first strike while it's your turn" or "first strike as long as it's your turn" *without* self-refencing the card would safe a lot of space and shouldn't cause any confusion gameplay-wise.

That mountain art, though!

\n/ ^o.o^ \n/

Haven't seen Branching Evolution before. I like it!
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More Azra, please. Preferably a UBR Commander at some point in the near future. This one is nice in the meantime though.

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Finally an alternate art for Terramorphic Expanse after all those reprints with the same art.

: D

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I love this beautiful art. This is a Theros siren. Going to get this one for sure.

Glad to see you like the art even though there's no man in it this time. It sure is beautiful and I hope we'll see designs more from Theros in the future.

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Damnit, WotC, stop making me sexually aroused by non-humans.

Cool that this comment went unchallenged so far and I'd like to second your reaction to this.

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I hope we'll see a legendary Siren at some point.

This could be a nice addition to many heroic or constellation or even equipment decks.

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@Flossedbeaver
Get that BLM and Defund the Police nonsense off the site. This isn't the place for it.

This isn't a political forum, it's about magic cards. We don't need to be bombarded by outside nonsense when discussing our hobby.

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i agree, get his 'defund the police' offensive message off the thread
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So, freedom of speech has no room here? It wasn't even a remark made in this thread, just a signature. Next you gonna antagonize people with a rainbow as a profile pic?

About the card: Nice to see the "double" power shortcut as opposed to "+X+/0 wher X is equal to that creature's power". I like seeing these space saving solutions.

On the art: What's that thing attached to that Human's chest..?

Yep, thanks. Already looked him up on scryfall before, through.

'^^

It's also worth looking up his other work, although some of it NSFW. Hopefully that doesn't stop WotC from hiring him in the future.

To bring this back to talking about the actual game (and I hope this point wasn't addressed already, I only had time to skim through the pages):

When a player plays a card that depicts horrible actions or concepts, does that make you think that player condones such actions or concepts in real life?

I believe that's the question it comes down to in this game, as well as in the entertainment industry as a whole.

Can we view the depiction of horrible actions or concepts within the framework of *escapist* mediums as a benign, or at least harmless, form of artistic expression? Or is every depiction of horrible actions or concepts automatically an endorsement of those things?

The Lorwyn Elves were essentially an entirely racist society, yet we are still fine with playing cards like Eyeblight Massacre, right?

Murder is a thing in the real world, sad as that is, and still we can acknowledge that a player playing that card isn't automatically okay with actual murder, right?

In the end, I believe most of us agree that addressing what WotC wanted to address as well as trying to make a real difference in that regard is good and necessary.

Magic was heading in a good direction there, ramping up the diversity in characters depicted in their product. They also have a long history of doing so in regards to black people with great characters like Teferi, Sisay, Crovax, Agrus Cos, Alexi or Jolrael and I believe many of us liked the expansion of that inclusive direction in general.

In short, is it possible for us to acknowledge the good in WotC's proclaimed goal while still criticizing their chosen method do achieve that goal? Or will we always automatically claim that whoever has a problem with the action is automatically also against the intended outcome of those actions?

Looks like Library Larcenist loves looting literature
and apparently also adores alliterations.

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Yep, Wylie Beckert is definitely an great addition to this game. I hope we'll see more of his work in the future.

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Any idea which plane might be depicted in that artwork, though? That Demon design looks interesting.