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  • posted a message on Introducing Jumpstart
    You're talking about printed pieces of cardboard, not gold. You can't eat them, you can't use them to procure food or cure an illness. You can't build shelter with them. The only value they have is entirely 100% completely arbitrary. You can't pay taxes with them, or buy a sandwich with them either so they don't even reach the minimal use value that paper money has. All you can do is hope you can trick some other sucker into trading something with real value for them.
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  • posted a message on Introducing Jumpstart
    Quote from buffntuff »
    Jesus christ you miserable pill do you just want no one to ever play this game?


    I just want fair pricings. shocking, i know


    This is a card game, not a stock market. Go buy stocks! Way better roi. Or at least go do some real gambling instead.
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  • posted a message on Introducing Jumpstart
    Quote from Casper »
    I love that Wizards is trying to make products to cater to a wider audience, my friends and I are going to have a blast with these.


    The wider audience is casual players who can't grok commander and don't about price/quality?
    Wow, i wonder why they don't make these kind of products more offer.

    One of the main selling points of this will be commander cards. They will put inside things like a unicorn tribal legeds, a lord for dogs (hounds) and a dragon who says "dragons you control get +2/+0 and haste" and commander players will buy that.


    Jesus christ you miserable pill do you just want no one to ever play this game?
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    “The only worthwhile thing in this game are cards I can flip for profit.”


    Let's be real, the paper stock market is just as much a game as the game itself
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    I'm just here wondering what exactly anyone thinks they can do about it. If you don't want to eliminate the profit motive that incentivizes companies to make these things, we're just going to see more of them. Consumer boycotts don't work. Whining on mtg salvation dot com definitely doesn't work. Even just not buying magic cards probably won't work because it's not really customer feedback. Spamming maro doesn't work because the dude knows his audience isn't really representative of 90% of the people who play this game but moreover it's not his decision.

    Have you considered pushing for, maybe like a law against "surprise" products? It worked pretty well for the EU with regard to loot boxes.

    Also the whole "it hurts lgs" is a nonstarter bc lgs are just as free to buy the products and sell them at a markup, which they do.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from Magiqmaster »
    So why don’t we run Secret Lair through local game stores? The short answer is we can’t logistically, at least not without drastically raising the price and taking significantly longer to get the product to you.

    Secret Lair is what is known as a “short window print to order” product. It requires having a single uniform ordering point, otherwise there’s no way to monitor the time cut-off. Also, with print to order, you want a single uniform shipping point. In addition, we want the product to get to as many players as possible (and yes, we’re working on the global reach issues) and many players do not have easy access to a local game store.

    I don't get why shipping these Secret Lair cards to LGS costs more; they could be included with other releases like Ikoria, for example. It sounds a bit bogus to me, but it might be true. Who knows?


    I mean, if you want to produce a product only for the people who pre-order it, it doesn't make much sense to add a middleman who then ships it to you. If you want to sell something with a limited window to order, it also doesn't make sense to do it through an lgs since they have to reply back with signups somehow and coordinate orders. You could try, but it's just not going to work as well as direct sales.

    If you're thinking of it more like a from the vault type situation, then that removes the whole limited window, secret revealed shortly before, bespoke nature of the product.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from AtraxianShade »
    On the other hand, it is our right to point out the anti-consumeristic practices the company is employing to push you into spending those money.


    Pretty, uh, impotent.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14

    If a company is incapable of turning a profit while maintaining basic ethical standards to avoid the blatant exploitation of compulsive behaviors... then yeah, cancel it.


    Blatant exploitation of compulsive behaviors is the central core of their business model. It's not an LCG.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    So what is to be done? Just kill the whole game? Or maybe we could just kill the profit motive that spurs these inventions. Re-establish the game as a co-operative enterprise whose first responsibility is to the people who play it, rather than the people who own it.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Lets be real too, the original release schedule of just 4 sets per year is unsustainable as a retail product. Booster sales fall off almost immediately after launch and that big stretch between spring set and fall set is a financial low point. It might have been acceptable when the magic team at wotc was like 10 people, but with all the staffing and weird side stuff they have going on now it's pretty much imperative that they have new stuff out there so sales don't take such big nosedives.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    So, it's a company that needs to make a profit to pay the people who own the company. This means anything is fair game. It's not anti-consumer it's pro-owner. If stocks go up then everything is fine. If you want the company to be more responsive to you, you either need to become an owner of the company with significant enough sway, or you need to break up the concept the companies are more responsive to their owners than their consumers or the general public. One way you could do that is by forcing the company to be under public control, with publically assigned owners and a general mandate against profiteering. Another way you could do that is to establish laws and regulations that define what company conduct is acceptable, with significant penalties for violations.
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  • posted a message on Full art Basics from Unsanctioned
    The amount of flack that MaRo is receiving for this product and the lands on Twitter is really surprising.


    To be fair, the subsection of Magic players who enjoy the wackiness of Un-sets is small. Combine that with the fact that these Un-sets provide nothing legitimate or usable to the actual game of Magic, and I can fully understand why people are upset that development time was spent on it. These cards are amusing jokes and unsubtle nods to other aspects of the game, but they provide nothing of real value.


    I won't deny your attitude exists or isn't common but it's always sort of funny to me that there's a line for how silly a paper game where we're pretending to be wizards summoning creatures or whatever can be. It's cool and totally serious if I summon the Dark Lord Griselbrand to destroy my enemy, but if you name him Gooslebrand and put a picture of a goose on that's just too much, man.
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  • posted a message on Magic Legends Gameplay Trailer
    I feel like this is a better approach than the dnd online or neverwinter type thing I suspected they would do, but like, still kinda underwhelming. Can't really blame em though, it's a weird thing to adapt.
    Posted in: MTG MMO
  • posted a message on Magic Legends Gameplay Trailer
    I know this forum is super dead but they dropped the gameplay trailer for this


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH6SRSzcl2E


    Surprise it's a diablo clone.


    Posted in: MTG MMO
  • posted a message on Secret Lair - Year of the Rat
    LGS's are just gonna order a couple of these and mark em up $20-50 for all the latecomers.
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