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  • posted a message on Secret Lair MSCHF
    Quote from DL_Ojutai »
    FWIW, Crimson Vow Collector and Set Boosters are currently #5 and #7 on best sellers, respectively. Also, it's not terribly surprising as people are JUST NOW starting to go back to large Standard events. We'll likely never see the same numbers we once did for Standard expansions because Arena cuts into that market. Also, nothing can be #1 forever. Does it matter if Pokemon is the bigger game, really?

    Other than things attributable to pandemic and Arena, do we have any solid info showing MtG sales declining in general? My understanding is the property is as valuable as it's ever been, so it's hard to say it's in jeopardy.


    I mean I have to assume it's this weird catastrophizing I keep seeing where folks decide to take pandemic trends and project them out in perpetuity.
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  • posted a message on [MID] [VOW] Innistrad: Double Feature
    I'm pretty sure arena is just going to do a mixed draft where you win some monochrome card styles, since they've already been handing out these same card styles.
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    Oh I actually love this. Burn the Golf fields
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  • posted a message on [MID] [VOW] Innistrad: Double Feature
    back in the old days you'd draft a whole block together by the end of the block. Lotta chaos there.
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  • posted a message on [VOW] Set complete
    We need a supportive Sultai (or Simic) sea monster general at this point. Releasing more 7 and 8 drop sea monsters is just causing them to compete with each other for room in the commander deck. We have some great 5, 6, 7, 8 and yes, even 10 and 12 mana options. It’s time now for smaller members and a competent general.


    Benthraxuss, Kraken Progeny UG
    Legendary Creature -- Kraken

    Serpents, Krakens, Whales, whatever that list is again spells can't be countered

    Stop Emailing Us - WOTC

    0/4
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  • posted a message on [VOW] Set complete
    Quote from buffntuff »
    I think they just wanted to do a werewolf set where you would see a werewolf in everything but white

    And then they accidentally made Brutal Cathar. Wink
    The end goal here is clearly to increase how often you actually see werewolves or vampires in limited games.

    I actually feel whatever their reasons regarding the five Werewolves outside red-green was might have had todo more with Constructed than Limited. Hence three of the five cards are rare, and all five cards are a notably higher power level - because they can push them a bit more outside their main colors than they would for Limited. Though the two non-rare cards show up in Limited more due to that as well.

    Weirdly they didn't really get the red-green Werewolves to show up in Limited all that well.

    There is only one daybound/nightbound card that isn't a Werewolf. That's another strange aspect of this.


    Ah yeah, right. I mean I don't think any of them are really constructed playable (well, the cathar is), they're just limited bombs. Like if you're playing U/W fliers you can totally slot in the stowaway, or a U/B zombies deck can absolutely use the graveyard guy. You might only end up with one in your pre-release box but they're independent of the tribe and it works.

    Re: nightbound/daybound I mean in general there's a bunch of cards in MH that make it into day and get some benefit from nightfall even though they don't transform. The bond stuff just formalizes playing the back of a DFC card instead of etb and then flip. Or something, I'm honestly not clear on the rules for the DFCs still.
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  • posted a message on [VOW] Set complete
    Yeah I don't understand this argument, I think they just wanted to do a werewolf set where you would see a werewolf in everything but white, and then a vampire set where you see a vampire in everything but green. I assume the philosophy behind it is because technically both werewolves and vampires were humans once and humans are five colors so it makes more sense to have them spread out than trapped in weird sections of the pie for arbitrary reasons, especially given the variety of abilities these cards bring to the table and how neither blood tokens nor day and night triggers are in one or two colors.

    The end goal here is clearly to increase how often you actually see werewolves or vampires in limited games. I'm sure it feels weirder on the design team to make "the werewolf set" and have a whole room of people playing no werewolves, and likewise for vampires. All of the off color werewolves are straight up limited bombs and totally valid first picks. And they're doing the same exact thing with this set. (Actually odric kinda sucks but hey)

    I guess too I am confused because these aren't really tribal sets. There's some tribal themes here but no stromkirk captain reprint or anything like here, all the big tribal dudes are expensive legendaries (so, you know, commanders). The spirit tribal in this one is mostly like, tribal for enchantments which spirits can coincidentally become but can also be run with any ol' o-ring or whathaveyou. Zombies I think get more tribal support than either wolves or vampires, and the new edgar markov and olivia voldaren cards aren't really strongly tribal compared to their old versions.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair MSCHF
    I dunno if I would describe it as product fatigue exactly, but it makes me a bit sad that this is just at this point wotc stepping into the fun indie card mod scene and sucking up the money and attention just cuz it can. I was kind of into it when it first started and it was still them commissioning regular artists and having some fun with it (loved that serum visions) but now it seems like the point of these is more just to make weird collabs and have one-offs to push paper. A lot of me wishes that mtg overall kinda stayed in a middling semi-profitable limbo, now that it's hasbro's literal best-selling property it feels like there's a lot more pressure on the game to keep hasbro afloat instead of doing its own thing or standing aside and letting cottage markets for custom cards live on their own.

    Just something I've been thinking about here on the third visit to the plane that made mtg a breakout hit.

    I swear I'm not just mad that I can't get a whole deck of full-text lands
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  • posted a message on [VOW] Jacob harken, Investigator/Hauken's Theory — Takashi Sakaue
    Huh. Is there any reason why you wouldn't cast this on turn 5 and then immediately transform him next turn? In any case, I could use him in Narset Commander and probably another deck or two.


    I mean you get to card filter for a bit before /eventually/ being able to cast that stuff again.
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  • posted a message on [C20] Apparently new cards and Merge mechanic; source link in thread
    Also just found the ancient thread where ancient ultimatum was posted. It’s a pretty close match.


    Look here

    yeah, that would be one hell of a coincidence.


    I actually feel like that is pretty much exactly the effect you would expect from a WBG ultimatum but also having the exact name makes it really suspect tbh.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair - Thalia, Guardian of Thraben leaked
    "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products"


    Who exactly are you asking the questions of?

    Is someone forcing you to buy this stuff? What exactly are you trying to do? Force a company to make some changes to cater to you by posting aggressively about it in a forum they don't read to people who don't have any control over them? Are you and your aggressive cohort trying to drum up popular support for a change.org petition here by calling people sheep or pigeons or whatever until they agree with you? Am I a brainless minion of wotc for daring to challenge you?

    Who are we asking questions?
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair - Thalia, Guardian of Thraben leaked
    At 7.50 each this is actually a full $2 more expensive than the singles, clear rip-off etc etc this product I won't buy is emblematic of a systemic failure of this game RIP magic the gathering Mark Rosewater is a scam artist and this game is a scam. Local game stores are a scam.
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  • posted a message on Introducing Jumpstart
    Quote from buffntuff »
    You're talking about printed pieces of cardboard, not gold. You can't eat them, you can't use them to procure food or cure an illness. You can't build shelter with them. The only value they have is entirely 100% completely arbitrary. You can't pay taxes with them, or buy a sandwich with them either so they don't even reach the minimal use value that paper money has. All you can do is hope you can trick some other sucker into trading something with real value for them.


    Ironically some old magic cards are worth more than their weight in gold, many times even.

    Any card worth more 93$ is worth more than gold (magic card is 1.775 grams, gold price per gram is of date $52.94).




    No, they aren't. They're only as valuable as you can trick someone into paying for it, and magic cards have an extremely small market compared to the market for gold.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair - International Women's Day 2020
    What's great about this is that pretty much all of the financial success wizards has enjoyed in the last 5-10 years is from expanding the appeal of this game to folks who are not people in this forum. This game is doing great and making a %#$& load of money and a huge cultural splash and none of it has anything to do with the people in here flipping out about a product that highlights and supports women.

    Y'all didn't spend enough money to force the company to only cater to you, so they had to go and find other sources. You can cry about it but that's the fact. No amount of hate-tweeting mark rosewater is going to make you the primary market target again. You are irrelevant, not because the company is "woke" or hates white men but because solely targeting you as a consumer means losing a ton of money they could otherwise be making. Not selling this product means losing money.

    At this point your weird power-trips about "anti-consumer" nonsense are just white noise under the sound of the money printers.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair - International Women's Day 2020
    Quote from ccc1522 »
    *GASP* hOw dARe yOu?!?! You HAVE to buy this product or youre a BIGOT!!!!!!!


    Incredibly normal and unbothered response.
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