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  • posted a message on [C20] Apparently new cards and Merge mechanic; source link in thread
    Also just found the ancient thread where ancient ultimatum was posted. It’s a pretty close match.


    Look here

    yeah, that would be one hell of a coincidence.


    I actually feel like that is pretty much exactly the effect you would expect from a WBG ultimatum but also having the exact name makes it really suspect tbh.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair - Thalia, Guardian of Thraben leaked
    "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products"


    Who exactly are you asking the questions of?

    Is someone forcing you to buy this stuff? What exactly are you trying to do? Force a company to make some changes to cater to you by posting aggressively about it in a forum they don't read to people who don't have any control over them? Are you and your aggressive cohort trying to drum up popular support for a change.org petition here by calling people sheep or pigeons or whatever until they agree with you? Am I a brainless minion of wotc for daring to challenge you?

    Who are we asking questions?
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair - Thalia, Guardian of Thraben leaked
    At 7.50 each this is actually a full $2 more expensive than the singles, clear rip-off etc etc this product I won't buy is emblematic of a systemic failure of this game RIP magic the gathering Mark Rosewater is a scam artist and this game is a scam. Local game stores are a scam.
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  • posted a message on Introducing Jumpstart
    Quote from buffntuff »
    You're talking about printed pieces of cardboard, not gold. You can't eat them, you can't use them to procure food or cure an illness. You can't build shelter with them. The only value they have is entirely 100% completely arbitrary. You can't pay taxes with them, or buy a sandwich with them either so they don't even reach the minimal use value that paper money has. All you can do is hope you can trick some other sucker into trading something with real value for them.


    Ironically some old magic cards are worth more than their weight in gold, many times even.

    Any card worth more 93$ is worth more than gold (magic card is 1.775 grams, gold price per gram is of date $52.94).




    No, they aren't. They're only as valuable as you can trick someone into paying for it, and magic cards have an extremely small market compared to the market for gold.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair - International Women's Day 2020
    What's great about this is that pretty much all of the financial success wizards has enjoyed in the last 5-10 years is from expanding the appeal of this game to folks who are not people in this forum. This game is doing great and making a %#$& load of money and a huge cultural splash and none of it has anything to do with the people in here flipping out about a product that highlights and supports women.

    Y'all didn't spend enough money to force the company to only cater to you, so they had to go and find other sources. You can cry about it but that's the fact. No amount of hate-tweeting mark rosewater is going to make you the primary market target again. You are irrelevant, not because the company is "woke" or hates white men but because solely targeting you as a consumer means losing a ton of money they could otherwise be making. Not selling this product means losing money.

    At this point your weird power-trips about "anti-consumer" nonsense are just white noise under the sound of the money printers.
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  • posted a message on Secret Lair - International Women's Day 2020
    Quote from ccc1522 »
    *GASP* hOw dARe yOu?!?! You HAVE to buy this product or youre a BIGOT!!!!!!!


    Incredibly normal and unbothered response.
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  • posted a message on Introducing Jumpstart
    You're talking about printed pieces of cardboard, not gold. You can't eat them, you can't use them to procure food or cure an illness. You can't build shelter with them. The only value they have is entirely 100% completely arbitrary. You can't pay taxes with them, or buy a sandwich with them either so they don't even reach the minimal use value that paper money has. All you can do is hope you can trick some other sucker into trading something with real value for them.
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  • posted a message on Introducing Jumpstart
    Quote from buffntuff »
    Jesus christ you miserable pill do you just want no one to ever play this game?


    I just want fair pricings. shocking, i know


    This is a card game, not a stock market. Go buy stocks! Way better roi. Or at least go do some real gambling instead.
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  • posted a message on Introducing Jumpstart
    Quote from Casper »
    I love that Wizards is trying to make products to cater to a wider audience, my friends and I are going to have a blast with these.


    The wider audience is casual players who can't grok commander and don't about price/quality?
    Wow, i wonder why they don't make these kind of products more offer.

    One of the main selling points of this will be commander cards. They will put inside things like a unicorn tribal legeds, a lord for dogs (hounds) and a dragon who says "dragons you control get +2/+0 and haste" and commander players will buy that.


    Jesus christ you miserable pill do you just want no one to ever play this game?
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    “The only worthwhile thing in this game are cards I can flip for profit.”


    Let's be real, the paper stock market is just as much a game as the game itself
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    I'm just here wondering what exactly anyone thinks they can do about it. If you don't want to eliminate the profit motive that incentivizes companies to make these things, we're just going to see more of them. Consumer boycotts don't work. Whining on mtg salvation dot com definitely doesn't work. Even just not buying magic cards probably won't work because it's not really customer feedback. Spamming maro doesn't work because the dude knows his audience isn't really representative of 90% of the people who play this game but moreover it's not his decision.

    Have you considered pushing for, maybe like a law against "surprise" products? It worked pretty well for the EU with regard to loot boxes.

    Also the whole "it hurts lgs" is a nonstarter bc lgs are just as free to buy the products and sell them at a markup, which they do.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from Magiqmaster »
    So why don’t we run Secret Lair through local game stores? The short answer is we can’t logistically, at least not without drastically raising the price and taking significantly longer to get the product to you.

    Secret Lair is what is known as a “short window print to order” product. It requires having a single uniform ordering point, otherwise there’s no way to monitor the time cut-off. Also, with print to order, you want a single uniform shipping point. In addition, we want the product to get to as many players as possible (and yes, we’re working on the global reach issues) and many players do not have easy access to a local game store.

    I don't get why shipping these Secret Lair cards to LGS costs more; they could be included with other releases like Ikoria, for example. It sounds a bit bogus to me, but it might be true. Who knows?


    I mean, if you want to produce a product only for the people who pre-order it, it doesn't make much sense to add a middleman who then ships it to you. If you want to sell something with a limited window to order, it also doesn't make sense to do it through an lgs since they have to reply back with signups somehow and coordinate orders. You could try, but it's just not going to work as well as direct sales.

    If you're thinking of it more like a from the vault type situation, then that removes the whole limited window, secret revealed shortly before, bespoke nature of the product.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from AtraxianShade »
    On the other hand, it is our right to point out the anti-consumeristic practices the company is employing to push you into spending those money.


    Pretty, uh, impotent.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14

    If a company is incapable of turning a profit while maintaining basic ethical standards to avoid the blatant exploitation of compulsive behaviors... then yeah, cancel it.


    Blatant exploitation of compulsive behaviors is the central core of their business model. It's not an LCG.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    So what is to be done? Just kill the whole game? Or maybe we could just kill the profit motive that spurs these inventions. Re-establish the game as a co-operative enterprise whose first responsibility is to the people who play it, rather than the people who own it.
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