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  • posted a message on 2/14 Secret Lairs: Theros Stargazing
    Quote from user_938036 »
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »

    How much do you spend on Magic product?

    Why does it matter? I'm talking about their pricing. They are increasing their pricing immediatly with the second wind of this product.
    By increasing their pricing do you mean leaving it the same or something else? Because they aren't increasing their pricing it is still 39.99
    The initial secret lairs had $30 lairs, only 2:7 were $40. The following one had only one lair at $40. The third one has five secret lairs at $40 but no $30 lairs.

    The illusion is that they haven't raised the price. But if they don't also have $30 lairs, then the price is rising without an announcement having to be made as the $30 secret lairs might be discontinued.
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from chefcurry200 »
    EDH isnt really casual though. Most of the people who play it are hardcore magic players and the format is terrible for beginners. Its just most of the EDH players were bad at competitive play and want a space to where they can warp the rules that suite them. If EDH was a person, it would like Yugi from yugioh when he makes up his own rules to beat whoever he is playing against. Its mental and you have to be kinda mental to be into it.
    Yeah. Gets worse when you realize its recommended for new players by more experienced players and by the company itself. Its like giving your kid their first bike, but without the training wheels, and its a bike meant for an adult-sized person.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from chefcurry200 »
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    Read some history and look at the context about the format of the time it was made. Look at who made the format. Look at why. It will enlighten your perspective and give you some basis to form an argument. Right now you are not making coherent arguments regarding the format. We here are seeing complaints about your LGS, in this thread's current form.
    Hipster movement done by judges who didn't like how everyone played what was meta/mainstream in competitive environments.


    This. Also WoTC "officially" supporting it was just a marketing move. Has zero to do with game balance.

    Also I left my LGS a long time ago since it was infested with EDH players. Hanging out with neckbeards who take themselves too seriously is not fun. Magic is not that damn serious unless going to your LGS is your whole life.
    Gets more poignant when you consider that EDH/Commander was a counterculture thing. It then got co-opted by advertisements and merchandise created by Wizards. Casual outside of EDH is practically a wasteland. As to take some lyrics from Smash Mouth's "Walking on the Sun" which is about the same subject matter involving the hippie movement and anti-vietnam rhetoric at the time:

    Some were spellbound, some were hell bound
    Some they fell down and some got back up
    And fought back against the melt-down
    And their kids were hippie chicks or hypocrites
    Because fashion is smashin' the true meaning of it
    So don't delay, act now, supplies are running out
    Allow if you're still alive, six to eight years to arrive
    And if you follow, there may be a tomorrow
    But if the offer is shun, you might as well be walkin' on the sun
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from Shea_0 »


    Read some history and look at the context about the format of the time it was made. Look at who made the format. Look at why. It will enlighten your perspective and give you some basis to form an argument. Right now you are not making coherent arguments regarding the format. We here are seeing complaints about your LGS, in this thread's current form.
    Hipster movement done by judges who didn't like how everyone played what was meta/mainstream in competitive environments.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    And if I'm not disgusted, how should I feel then?
    Facepalm

    Your underlying premise is that, for whichever demographic Wizards is targeting, these are must-haves in their entirety.
    Thats because they aren't but are marketed and presented as such. You don't have a notice of three months in advance to make a smart purchase, you have hours to make that decision.

    fundamentally disagree with that premise; for most players these hold no interest, a few players will want some of them, and a scant few will feel the need to own them all. Only for the latter group is that an issue, and that has more to do with their own personal inclinations and prerogatives than anything inherent to Wizard's recently adopted business model.
    So you are defending secret lairs?

    If you really feel pressured to choose between your girlfriend and card stock, you might want re-think the nature of your relationship... or maybe she's the one who needs to do the re-thinking.
    Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm

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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from chefcurry200 »
    I didnt know that my lack of existence was the deciding point of edh.

    1. There isnt any multiplayer format sides edh.

    2. That is true...probably in some alternative universe. When you think of the stereotypical neckbeards who are unbearable people that complain about everything and are super narcissistic, thats edh in the a nutshell.

    3. The point of why a format is invented is to facilitate organized/competitive play. They make a ban list in formats so people show up to tournaments with different decks. There is zero point of a ban list in edh, especially when everyone just makes up their own rules anyway.

    For a competitive play you need to follow a set of guidelines, for casual you dont. There is zero point in why edh exists, other than wotc marketing edh cards to people. For any normal human being its stupid.
    The banlist is notorious in being a joke and moving at a snail's pace. The given reason is "if we started banning more cards, the banlist would get too big."
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  • posted a message on Edh is the worst format in any tcg ever
    Quote from chefcurry200 »
    Why is it that this awful format is so popular? Never in my life can i wrap my head around why edh is so god awful. Just hearing about it makes me want to jump off a cliff. Of course, i dont say anything without any good reason so here are 3 reasons why edh is the worse way to play any tcg on the planet.

    1) the idea of "politics"

    i thought this was a card game played for fun, not turning on cspan. like seriously why is there bizarre rules in a casual format? its supposed to be casual, this isnt supposed to be serious. the game already has enough rules, we dont need more rules just because your a crazy person.

    2) the culture

    edh cultute is toxic. the players cry about everything and anything.land destruction is unfair, counterspells are unfair, cheap removal is unfair, draw spells are unfair, well guess what life is unfair. like seriously why are you playing this game if your going to complain about every aspect of it? you dont need to spend money on a card game to be miserable 24/7.

    3) its a format

    Why does casual play need a "format"? There isnt any stakes involved so balance isnt important. It shouldnt even have a ban list, like who cares if people play black lotus in edh? edh is a format for crybabies who want to have their cake and eat it.

    so there you go, 3 reasons why edh is awful amd if you play it then your probably a sociopath. thank u and good night.
    Because the format is two-faced.

    Casual play is a mess, people getting drowned by contradictions of what actual casual play is. Competitive is fast and ruthless, but everyone can agree what makes competitive actually be competitive. The competitive side is coincidentally reviled by the casual side.

    If it were a two-sided coin, competitive is clean and pristine, casual is very scratched up and worn.
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  • posted a message on 5 New Secret Lairs to be announced on Feb 14
    Quote from Magiqmaster »
    I just came across this post on Blogatog:

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    rxphantom asked: High fives for Secret Lair! My local game store, like most, was frankly doing too well, making too much money, and needed to be knocked down a peg.

    First off, you have a valid question “Why can’t you run Secret Lair through local game stores?” Framing it as a passive-aggressive snide response adds an unnecessary tone to the post and most of the time will keep people from answering your question. When seeking answers, be polite. Quite often, as you’ll see with this answer, there are reasons you might be unaware of.

    So why don’t we run Secret Lair through local game stores? The short answer is we can’t logistically, at least not without drastically raising the price and taking significantly longer to get the product to you.

    Secret Lair is what is known as a “short window print to order” product. It requires having a single uniform ordering point, otherwise there’s no way to monitor the time cut-off. Also, with print to order, you want a single uniform shipping point. In addition, we want the product to get to as many players as possible (and yes, we’re working on the global reach issues) and many players do not have easy access to a local game store.

    Local game stores are very important to us and we’re making more products than ever sold through local game stores, but not every product works cleanly through them, Secret Lair being a good example. It’s just logistically and financially unviable.

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    I don't get why shipping these Secret Lair cards to LGS costs more; they could be included with other releases like Ikoria, for example. It sounds a bit bogus to me, but it might be true. Who knows?
    Because this lets the scoot around many of the things they dislike.

    These things being the following. Certain specialty products sitting on the shelf at some LGS, gathering dust, as nobody wants it really after the initial hype. Then you got buyer's guides coming out telling you if it should be bought or not, as they talk about things like the quality of the card stock or if the foiling was bad. Then there is the extra payment on the overhead for storing these products in some warehouse because they made more than was needed.

    Buyer's guides can't be truthfully made if the product is always on limited-time offer, as they can't tell you if the card stock got better or if the foiling process improved, they can only make assumptions. The company doesn't need to pay a fee for warehouses if they only met the demand within that limited window. Products won't sit on some shelf unless a LGS owner bought as much as they could.

    These are offers done in the same way as mobile games would do, attached image for an example. As they put it as this special thing up for a limited amount of time. It targets your impulse buying, your feeling of missing out. And the artwork is deliberately done to appeal to as many different demographics as possible, including children with an easy potshot example being <explosion sounds> that looks like it was ripped from one of the Clash Royal / Clash of Clans games.

    The product's marketing and accessibility is very manipulative. Just take the upcoming one for example. So far these have been based on holidays in some manner. So the next one out in a few days is Valentine's Day themed. And its specifically launching on that day no less. So now you got to make a decision if you do have a significant other, how much do you save for the secret lair and how much do you spend on them? Five lairs can be around $150-$200. The only people who don't have to make this decision are those not currently in a relationship.

    Then there is the lie that Mark Rosewater states about having to raise the price and that it would take longer. The increased cost is just a multiplier for how much cash they can grab. They sold Planeswalker Decks which is packaging + 60 cards. These lairs are just packing + 3-8 cards. At most the packaging might cost them a bit more. Yet when done in large runs, like in the hundred thousands, its cheap. Its only expensive if they made a few.

    If that all disgusts you, good, you should feel disgusted.
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  • posted a message on Mothership 1/3 - Haktos the Unscarred
    Quote from 5colors »
    Quote from 5colors »
    The randomness is what lets this be red as well as let them push him the way they did.
    Haktos's ability basically amounts to rolling a 1d6, treating three of the results as the same, or a 1d4 with 1 being the auto-reroll result. Which what cards have rolling dice to determine a result again? Oh yeah, its the silver-bordered cards. Which means his ability is literally from an un-set. The only way they could print Achilles is putting a silver-bordered effect on him in black-border.

    Which you are in agreement with.


    Oh you mean from the set that was said to be a testing grounds for ideas that they might use just not sure quite how to execute?

    As said the randomness helps the card not be pin-pointed down for removal and such and imo help the card and ability feel red.

    Quote from Whalaqee »
    Quote from Ritokure »
    I been mulling over this card since he was revealed, and I feel the more elegant solution is just to cut out the RNG part of his text and reworking the protection to have a fixed number.
    -snip-
    Stop being rude.

    Quote from 5colors »
    The randomness is what lets this be red as well as let them push him the way they did.
    And thats what makes him a dollar-bin rare. The best cards in magic don't rely on randomness.


    As others have this, this card is most similar to Progenitus or True-name but with a slim weakness that your opponent can't predict. While I don't think this will be the next banned card in every format I wouldn't right it off quickly.
    I would write it off quickly. While there is the dream of landing a 4 in eternal formats to have a strong wrecking ball like him, its also only 33% chance of that. 66% of the time is the other two possible results which are quiet unfavorable. Probably a favorite with magicians and con-artists who can force a die roll to land on a result they want.
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  • posted a message on Mothership 1/3 - Haktos the Unscarred
    Quote from Ritokure »
    I been mulling over this card since he was revealed, and I feel the more elegant solution is just to cut out the RNG part of his text and reworking the protection to have a fixed number.
    -snip-
    Stop being rude.

    Quote from 5colors »
    The randomness is what lets this be red as well as let them push him the way they did.
    And thats what makes him a dollar-bin rare. The best cards in magic don't rely on randomness.
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  • posted a message on THB: Nadir Kraken
    https://i.imgur.com/VetI5b9.png


    Where is that Tiro of Meletis?



    SAUCE: https://www.twitch.tv/theasianavenger
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  • posted a message on Urlich twitch preview - Purphoros, Bronze-Blooded
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    Purphoros crackled with thunderous delight as hot, viscous fluid - the fruit of his creative exertions - erupted all around him, and then showered back down in an impassioned drizzle. "Ahhh, that feels good" he ejaculated.
    7/6 would Purphoros again.
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  • posted a message on THB - Nyx Lotus
    Maybe its just me, but I refer to the rules for Chroma over the rules for Devotion. As Devotion is just a tweaked version of Chroma, but the rules page for Chroma immediately calls out hybrid cards and how you only count once for each of these 'pips'. Also just that Chroma is a better mechanic overall as it doesn't limit design space to just the battlefield.

    To really understand Devotion, its Chroma 99% of the time, for the 1% when regarding the Gods its actually Threshold.
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  • posted a message on [THB] - Ramin Djawadi preview - Gallia of the Endless Dance
    Ah yes, the obligatory chaff-tribal rare. Getting Deja Vu over here from Pheres-Band Warchief.

    Here is what separates the octopus/leviathan/sea-serpent/kraken tribal from these: It acknowledges it would be dumb to build off one tribe with low synergy. So you might as well consolidate them into one tribal group to maximize effectiveness. Quest for Ula's Temple, Slinn Voda, the Rising Deep, Whelming Wave, Serpent of Yawning Depths. Four cards for four tribes so far.

    You know what would make this legendary be better? "Other Satyrs, Centaurs, and Minoatur creatures you control get +1/+1 and haste."
    That way yo have a build around-me commander that provides a more interesting deckbuilding experience.

    If you think she is good because of the loot ability, she is, but that is more a normal 60 card deck where you aren't constrained by 1-of nonsense which is where people's gripes seem to stem from more.
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  • posted a message on [THB] Gray Mercant of Asphodel
    Turn 3: Underworld Dreams
    Turn 4: Deathless Knight
    Turn 5: GARY for an 18 point-life swing.
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