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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    That said. I’ve likely had too much of that for MTG and with the loss of Theros, I’m retiring as a Vorthos. To the relief and pleasure of some I’m sure.
    This is exactly how I have felt for a while now. I've always been a big flavour/story guy, not just in Magic but in general. And I would love to be able to be invested in Magic story, but over recent years they've made it completely impossible to do so.
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    There are always wrng ways to give a message, even if the message itself is right.
    Absolutely. I'm just saying, your original point made out that there were no legitimate complaints being made, it was all just screams of "Biphobia!", and that's definitely not the case. It also lumped those with the legitimate concerns voiced in a sensible way together with those screaming zealots, and blamed them all as one whole group. Which, again, is not the case.
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    Quote from ArixOrdragc »
    In all fairness, there was a lot more constructive criticism of the first book. The cries of biphobia and erasure only started with the release of the second book, several months later (and which had many of the same problems as the first beside).


    Yeah but try to think with the mind of a hasbro/wotc businessman. After seeing dozen of "Biphobia reeeeeeeee" messages on your company social media, the easiest and safest move is to write out a fast apology, delete every other project and pretend that nothing happened.
    Oh sure, but that's not really the fanbase's fault for voicing legitimate complaints. Sure, some may have been a bit, shall we say "overzealous" about it, but those types of fans exist everywhere and always have, and probably aren't the same ones who are really upset at the lack of anything for Theros, so again it hardly seems fair to blame them for it.
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    People arguing that Theros, Kamigawa and Lorwyn is as popular as Ravnica are off their rocker.

    Honestly i don't get what they think will gain from such sterile and toxic discussion.
    The whole level of toxicity is quite fun actually, considering it's probably what convinced wotc to cancel the novel in the first place

    wotc: release a bad novel
    mtg community: instead of providing constructive criticism, spam "biphobia! biphobia!" on every wotc channel, especially the unrelated ones (like secret lair announcements)
    wotc: decided to not release novels anymore
    mtg community: *surprised pikachu*, more toxicity
    In all fairness, there was a lot more constructive criticism of the first book. The cries of biphobia and erasure only started with the release of the second book, several months later (and which had many of the same problems as the first beside).
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    I feel like it needs to be mentioned that planes being "popular" or "unpopular" is not a binary thing - it's a scale. No, Theros is not as popular as Ravnica, but that doesn't mean it isn't popular.
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    Xeruh...what are you trying to say? You justify Eldraine getting more content than Theros because Eldraine was new and unknown, but then also say that more content is for popular things? Then you try to reconcile that by claiming Theros wasn't actually popular, even though it totally was? That's the whole reason we're returning there, after all - they don't return to unpopular worlds. I legitimately don't get where you're coming from here.

    For my part, I was keen for Theros in part because Ajani is the only character I even remotely care about right now, and given his ties to the plane it seemed like the best chance for him to get some real focus. Then again, he was reduced to practically nothing throughout the Bolas arc despite having real ties to Bolas, so I probably shouldn't have been hopeful, especially given how much WotC seems to be terrified of the idea of nonhuman characters.
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    Quote from ArixOrdragc »
    It’s literally just Greg Weisman and his horrible writing.
    I've been vocal on my feelings on the matter, but I know for a fact I'm not the only one who found the WotS story as a whole terrible - as in the story the creative team put together, not just the novel written by Weisman. As I've said, as bad as the novel was, he didn't butcher a good story, he just failed to make the best of an already one.
    The plot had some unique twists and good setup for future material. I enjoyed how several elements of various storylines coalesced actually. The immortal sun, employing Vraska, her and Jace teaming up with Her memories temporarily wiped, the exploitation of Amonkhet, Rakdos as an emergency mount for Gideon, the Blackblade failing and Lilliana turning on Bolas with the poetic justice of Bontu delivering the harvest of Bolas’s own spark. Even the Elderspell, if explained more thoroughly, could have had implications. The loss of all those sparks could have had multiverse level consequences on par with the mending, in the hands of a competent author.
    I personally just saw the whole thing as the blandest, shallowest interpretation of the basic fantasy epic formula they could slap together. It felt like every beat of it was done not for the sake of producing a quality story, but because "that's how these stories go". Sure, there might have been some potential setup there for something good, but I feel like it's the opposite of what you're saying - a bad story that a good writer might have been able to make something of, as opposed to good story that a bad writer butchered.
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    It’s literally just Greg Weisman and his horrible writing.
    I've been vocal on my feelings on the matter, but I know for a fact I'm not the only one who found the WotS story as a whole terrible - as in the story the creative team put together, not just the novel written by Weisman. As I've said, as bad as the novel was, he didn't butcher a good story, he just failed to make the best of an already one.
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    I mean, on the one hand, Theros is one of my favourite planes, so I'm disappointed for obvious reasons. I honestly don't particularly care about Elspeth, but it would've been cool to at least get a series of shorts set on the plane.

    On the other hand, if WotS is the sort of story they're so incredibly proud of that they had to push it in our faces as much as they did, maybe it's for the best.
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  • posted a message on No story/lore for Theros
    And yet the garbage fire of WotS gets not one, but two full physical novels, and a series of online chapters.
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  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
    Quote from DJK3654 »
    Quote from user_938036 »
    Dovin is dead dead. Killed on screen and his body was found by a reliable narrator.

    Kaya can planeswalk with essentially anyone. It's just 'harder'. This is part of her ghost power. Which is bull because Jaya straight up tells her before she tries that even ghosts die in the blind eternities.

    These are the two worst developments to come out of Forsaken. I don't know why these are glossed over and the status of ships is hotly discussed.

    Because WotC's hypocrisy on important sociopolitical issues it claims to stand for is more important than some *****ty plot points.
    This. Both of these books are full of bad writing and awful story developments, be they from Weisman or the creative team as a whole, but the issue of erasure is the only thing that has legitimately bad real-world concerns. Remember that it isn't just about ship sinking - that happens, and I'm sure it sucks for the people who care about it, but whatever, couples break up or just don't work out - it's about Wizards constantly and proudly stating how much they support minority groups and being proud to represent them in their stories, then taking one of the most apparent examples of such support and saying "Nope, never happened".
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  • posted a message on New info about ikoria
    I remember floating around the idea of "keyword counters" ("Put a flying counter on target creature" for example, the intent being fairly obvious) in a custom card design place many many many many years ago, but it was ultimately scrapped because the idea of a bunch of different counters on creatures all doing different things had concerns of memory issues. I suppose with the advances in "play aids" being included in boosters (this was before even tokens were included in packs), the idea is a lot more feasible now.
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  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
    That's exactly what I meant, though. Not every story needs to throw around every facet of existence. Characters can be rounded and believable without having to resort to listing the people they want to cuddle. Besides, it doesn't need to be completely absent - there can be hints of it here and there without making it a major point. And even if it is entirely absent, I find it far less awkward when sexuality is unacknowledged than I do when it's thrown into a story that doesn't need it. If it's entirely absent I don't even think about it. I never find myself thinking "Why don't these characters ever think about doinking each other?" when it isn't there.
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  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
    It's not even about romance being done badly, I just think that not every story needs it. Call me crazy, but I feel like Magic's story should be more about big crazy wizard fights and less about who wants to smooch who.
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  • posted a message on War of the Spark: Forsaken summary posted on reddit
    I personally hate romance being shoved into stories that aren't about romance. It sometimes seems like writers think that throwing in romantic relationships is the only way they can make us care about their characters or the overall story, but I can honestly not recall a single thing I've ever read/watched/played/whatever where I've legitimately cared about whatever romance has been shoved in. I've never once thought "Man I really hope those characters get together" or "Wow their romantic relationship is really on the rocks, I wonder if it'll survive this new development".

    I wouldn't go so far as to say it's an inherently bad thing, I just wish it'd stopped being used as a cheap "Care about these characters now" button.
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