Nice, Search the premises seems to work, we have to be a bit careful the opponent doesn't have mana to suicide with, but because this is in combat they lose anything they got from earlier setup computations, and after the first round of computation we don't need to give them a mana echoes. (probably even for the first round too but this is easier to prove)
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Jun 8, 2021 Posted in: Magic General
Jun 8, 2021The last tamiyo's Journal deck used crucible of the spirit dragon, which can't activate Hallowed ground. Does Serra's sanctum go infinite?Posted in: Magic General
Edit: also looked at other ways of granting creature types, as maybe giving a keg all of the creature types via like volatile claws, keeps it safe and if we bounce the Coat of arms to kill it, we can't do computation.
but we can leave a coat of arms on their side and still half the keg's toughness and kill it.
Jun 8, 2021oh right dack ult is pretty tied to doubling season.Posted in: Magic General
Ordeal of Nylea is even worse than I thought, as their attack triggers will fizzle after a computation and they won't be around to sacrifice, so we don't get a layer from them.
Also there's still the Show and tell + uproot problem
Jun 7, 2021we have Alhammarret's Archive so we draw more than we shuffle.Posted in: Magic General
Simplify isn't needed as we are going into combat anyway.
Aura thief looks like it works for enabling ordeal of nylea, but is an extra card. Do we still need doubling season?
Jun 7, 2021yeah most shuffle effects are optional too and dies effects like protean hulk/rootless yew are all green, except for whirlpool drake which seems like it draws too many cards.Posted in: Magic General
Ordeal of nylea? though that would require something like Simplify, and we'd also need to do something like donate it as wrong turn is creatures only.
Ancestral Knowledge is probably too cheap.
Edit: donate allows them to have white mana activate aegis automaton during computation, not sure if we can give control of the ordeal over without giving them lands...
Jun 7, 2021Hallowed ground replaces uproot, to bounce the tapped Serra's Sanctum without letting the opponent draw forever.Posted in: Magic General
We can easily then put it from hand on top with Widespread Panic as we shuffle enough with Journey for the elixir.
should be working 11 layers.
Edit wait widespread panic + Jester's mask isnt even a combo, we'd need to make then shuffle from an effect they control.
Jun 7, 2021I somehow missed hallowed ground which seems like it works?Posted in: Magic General
Jun 7, 2021The thought was that multani going hand->imprint->grave->hand is neutral on green but requires an animist's awakening to get the second land back into play, so it doesn't go infinite with the worldfire transition.Posted in: Magic General
But it can still be bounced for U/W mana and net green so it doesn't work.
Somehow there's nothing that bounces a nonbasic land.
Edit: the kamigawa moonfolk are kinda close too, though the two that return a pair of lands have bad effects
Uyo, Silent prophet goes infinite copying animist's awakening
Soratami seer is tricky but i think we can avoid decking ourselves with Wormfang behemoth
Soratami mirror-mage looks like it works, but needs a third land.
Gah we can steal opponent's wastes so this does not work at all.
Jun 7, 2021Hmm, yeah that is a problem. and plagues a lot of the ways we can cheat omniscience into play. Back to show and tell then?Posted in: Magic General
Maybe there's an alternative to the plow under effect? Can't we just bounce the land and put it back on top with widespread panic?
But it'd need to be kind of expensive to work right, Crop sigil costs G which is a bit too expensive. Multani, yavimaya's avatar might work? It pays for itself through chrome mox, but needs both lands in play.
Edit: no just being a green creature makes too much green through bounce.
Jun 7, 2021The problem with sphinx is that its difficult to make more of them, as bouncing it is expensive. I guess we could kill it and make tokens via soul seperator, but then we need to get consecrated sphinx out of the yard too...Posted in: Magic General
Words of wisdom we'd be able to slap Spellweaver volute on and be good to go.
Jun 7, 2021No, an instant speed counter is not good enough as we only get it every lingering souls, while we'd want to counter aegis automaton more than that.Posted in: Magic General
However, now that there's no show and tell, maybe we'd want to use patron wizard? If we want to cut another blue creature.
Oh, wait then we can use like words of wisdom if that ends up better...
Jun 7, 20213 remaining cards would need to bePosted in: Magic General
mill 1 draw 2
use floating mana to activate elixir untap and reuse lore broker
mill 1 draw 5
march of the machines
lets us make a chunk of mana and elixirs to lore broker some more
looks like it works, not sure what's optimal though.
Jun 7, 2021Posted in: Magic General
Creative technique would still slowly eat through their library right?(edit: oh nonland) The exile is not optional and we cant get their wastes back into their hand/deck.
Trickery is difficult due to needing a target to counter. We don't really have a counterable spell for R so we'd need an extra card for artificial evolution or something.
Jun 7, 2021Hmm we could imprint Artificial evolution on chrome mox for an extra mana, but then we have almost nothing in hand.Posted in: Magic General
Yeah, we make so much more mana than we need with Mana echoes so I think this substitution is fine.
But, can lore broker even get started with mana vault?
Yes because vault is +2 mana so we don't need the mountain
Lotus, vault, Creative technique
Then continue as before.
Edit: oh Show and tell was what broke countering extra worldfires in the transition, so Tibalt's trickery might be safe after all if we want to use that instead.
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