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Jan 16, 2022That's why the big lifegain sorcery has to be something that doesn't need TYS to scale, Multani's Decree, Divine congregation, Essence harvest, Gravitic punch, tendrils of agony etc...Posted in: Magic General
Dec 31, 2021I don't remember exactly, but its mostly that we leave Dual Nature triggers for making omniscience/vedalken orrery on the stack, and use triggers like verdant succession/bloodbond march to return the cards we can't bounce from bad zones.Posted in: Magic General
Worldfire involves more bouncing and using Wormfang behemoth to hide our hand. I think some versions needed to get the real wormfang under a token wormfang which was tricky but possible.
Sorry if that's a bit too handwave-y, I know that there were some other quirks like making the first token omniscience requiring some initial inefficiency.
I'm still kinda stumped on making the worldfire transition work the optimal way we want it to in the current decks, one hopeful thought is that channel (the mechanic not the card) is returning in the new kamigawa, So there's some potential for a black Ghost-Lit Redeemer style card.
Dec 4, 2021Well the trick is we can put recoup on the spellweaver helix, so we flashback for the mana cost of the card, without actually playing for recoup again.Posted in: Magic General
not fizzling it on a black spell is easy as we can leave worldfire out and just gain life forever. but maybe managing worldfire/tys makes it difficult on a red spell...
Adding an extra land lets us make too much red via blood moon so that would push out the crucible of the spirit dragon and we'd need new ending layers.
Dec 4, 2021Hmm, you may have a point, I think there was something like using recoup to flashback essence harvest for life, but that didn't work properly with spellweaver helix, so I swapped which spell was doubled but that opened up your line...Posted in: Magic General
If we double a black sorcery, we can put recoup on the helix and loop without using red.
If we double recoup, we can smuggle aegis automation/2 life though the transition.
If we double gravitic punch, we lose access to our artifact creature.
Maybe double Flash of Defiance? Well that (and i guess gravitic punch) can be flashed back via recoup instead...
Nov 30, 2021Subbing in illusionist's bracers and magnetic theft (seems slightly more optimal than Sigarda's aid and avoids issues with flashing in steal artifact without a Vedalken orrery) gives usPosted in: Magic General
With World at War being pushed out as the 61st card.
Edit: just to confirm Sigarda's aid would allow us to mess up computation as we could death pit offering without opalescence in play, and then steal artifact the opponent's vedalken orrery before coat of arms dies. So Magnetic theft is the right choice.
Nov 24, 2021@hyp cos I'm not entirely sure, its been a while since I looked at those.Posted in: Magic General
@Bezjosh99 Welcome. Could you be a bit more specific about that? What deck/cards are you referring to?
Nov 19, 2021Yeah bracers work now that we don't have thousand-year elixir, good find.Posted in: Magic General
Yeah I was thinking we couldn't steal all of the clues back because of march of the machines killing them but we can via Copy Enchantment, and then just hold priority and sac them all.
Edit: we'd need to equip the bracers at instant speed somehow, so that needs another card. I thought there was a card that was a mix of steal artifact/Sigarda's Aid.
Thieving Skydiver is close but only equips to itself.
Nov 17, 2021Subbing in Search the Premises and Steal artifact does anyone see a problem with:Posted in: Magic General
Also I'm not sure that my new organization of the deck is optimal. Any suggestions to make it more clear?
hmm I think there's a problem with the W stage now that we don't have Harmonic prodigy anymore.
We spend W to activate Aegis automation, and get a Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient trigger above that, but we can't have both of these bounce Gaurdian of the Guildpact without fizzling. I think we used Bolt Bend to solve this before, but it seems like there should be a better solution.
Also, looking at the end, we are only using Marchesa's Smuggler to get triggers for search the premises that then needs steal artifact, three card slots for one layer is pretty inefficient. (I guess it is also serving as a 2 mana blue creature)
Nov 14, 2021Some of the starts got really narrow and we didnt verify every deck's start to be possible, though generally there are a few easy but suboptimal lines possible. I remember getting into the weeds on optimizing one of the starts where initial mana was really tight.Posted in: Magic General
In general it takes about 3 draws to get started with Words of Wisdom/Sphinx of Enlightenment (one to enable looping, one to make consecrated sphinxes, and one to draw the rest of the deck) so we'd get about 50 uses of it as a bottom action.
The current busy beaver deck uses Floating-Dream Zubera, which we can hack for each creature type (not used in computation) but need to avoid decking ourselves.
Nov 11, 2021Search the Premises only gives our opponent clues though, we can't get them back to us to draw with.Posted in: Magic General
Nov 11, 2021So with Death pit offering/Draconian Cylix/Bala Ged Scorpion we can avoid white creatures and have something like this:Posted in: Magic General
(also, harmonic prodigy needed to be axed as it lets the Vampire Envoy gain too much life, on the plus side though we don't need Thousand-Year Elixir anymore.)
Also I'm rearranging the first sections of the deck a little as they got a bit scattered.
which currently has a few problems in the ending layers but should be fine through Animist's Awakening?
Nov 11, 2021Plummet is an instant that we can save to mess with computation so we want a creature that can kill our Vampire Envoy but not Goblin Boom Keg, preferably black to save other colors for later. It also has to be an etb effect as activated abilities could be used by the opponent to break computation.Posted in: Magic General
Bala Ged Scorpion
Surprisingly few options, but any of those seem to work. Bala Ged Scorpion seems the narrowest, so probably what we want to go for.
There's also Sly Spy (version d "etb destroy target creature facing right in its art") if we wanted to be silly.
Nov 10, 2021Also, reality spasm is bounded by legal targets, so we could still only put a bounded number into X regardless of how much mana we have.Posted in: Magic General
Anyway here's the rough draft of the deck with Stern Constable:
(this deck is missing an artifact creature to actually discard)
Is there some way to get Draconian Cylix to work instead of Stern Constable to save white? I don't see it being safe currently as it would let us save necromancers on our side.
Maybe with like plummet and subbing desolation giant for kaervek's spite?
Nov 9, 2021I'm not gonna get super into the subtleties of the old computable decks but can answer a few of those questionsPosted in: Magic General
1. I think we can use either extra TYS copies of smite the monstrous to bounce the big ones, or verdant succession triggers for the green ones.
2. Panharmonicon is needed to imprint multiple sorceries onto the spellweaver helix. And is more useful than extra copies of spider spawning.
Sanctifier en-vec hacking looks better than losing 6 slots to dralnu's crusades and copy enchantment.
Being unable to copy enchantments is a bit rough, but not the end of the world.
But just from a rough draft, the stern constable+vampire envoy version looks better.
Nov 8, 2021Pretty much every other discard a card:gain life effect has been examined already. Peace of mind is probably the next closest but gaining 3 does not match up well with k'rrik.Posted in: Magic General
Skullmead cauldron, trading post, and the underworld cookbook all would look promising if only they didn't have those other abilities.
Ghost-Lit redeemer had been another possibility, but never worked out.
Nihilistic Glee is probably the next best, but has the same problem.
Something like Stern constable tapping a vampire envoy?
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