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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from pinkfloyd
    You were already voting for me Roja.... *sigh*

    I just don't see the doc as very scummy, he is posting good stuff and at least he is pointing the finger at people.


    So you enforce that theory by taking what I said out of context? That's scummy.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from pinkfloyd
    Says you.

    I was making the same assumption.

    What do you mean by that?


    How did you manage to miss everything I said?
    Those quotes had a context to them.
    Why are you taking them out of context?
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from The_Doctor

    "I told you it's not important right now as it's just conjecture without much supporting evidence. (Hence, why I made a note for myself to go back and look at once some more alignments are known.) I'm not actively pursuing the matter, so I don't see why you feel the need to get so defensive about it."

    It just felt odd to me. I thought you were putting it there for a different reason.



    "Alright, there's something to which I'm dying to know the answer. Why is it that each time I tried a clever strategy to determine if people are actually reading the thread, you decide to quote it and call attention to it with either a smiley or large bold text - thus rendering the strategy completely moot?"

    Even with that I'm one of the few who follow it.
    I won't anymore, now that I know why you're doing it.


    "Yes, and?"

    You reamed me later on for making that assumption. Yet you do it yourself.


    "Quite the opposite, actually. A more accurate description would be that I repel them."

    Yea, sorry. I was thinking "distance them". IDK why I wrote connects.


    "You obviously don't have enough game play experience to realize why the point is still valid. Catching one scum and forming a wagon on them = easily within the realm of possibility. Can two be wagoned early day 1, yes? Could it theoretically happen? Yes. Would there be enough support to get one of them to L-2 then the other to 3? Almost certainly not."[/quotw]
    Hm. Ok.

    [quote]
    "Actually, that's exactly what Manders said and meant. Not to mention she's verified that a couple times already since then."

    Ok, my bad.


    "Another victim of the 'interesting' tell, mayhap?

    You are obviously not familiar with train of thought posting. I pose the questions as I hit the corresponding text. If they happen to answer the question later in the thread, I merely cross it out as it does not need to be answered again and I'll post an analysis of their answer or ask for more clarification.

    Finally, is bread-crumbing a good or bad thing? Why would you feel the need to keep trying to find/call attention to it? It's not bread-crumbing, but you seem obsessed with finding breadcrumbs."

    From what people have told me it's something scum do.


    "You do realize there's such a thing as typos, right? Oh, add to the fact that you knew what I meant. Proof (your original response to the question) is below."
    "You started off with the same typo, but by the third sentence, it's clear you knew what I was trying to ask."

    Technically mine wasn't a typo, but semantics.


    "You just need more experience; don't worry, it will come in time. I won't hold it against you."

    Hopefully soon. I'm tired of being a newb.



    "Context is key. MandersHex asked me what I hadn't liked about Iso's list. So, I was giving her my reasoning for saying that. You know, the time before Iso made his 'proof I'm likely town' post."

    I'll have to do a reread to see if I can see what you mean.


    "Trying to figure out what plays scum make is a good idea. However, that isn't what this quote is about. Here's the full context:"
    "You were defending against why you shouldn't be considered scum."

    My intent was to present an argument as to what scum would do in my situation. Came out wrong, I guess.


    "Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I understand what you're trying to say correctly: it's more likely that the town caught two scum and has enough support to form wagons on both of them over at least one of them being a false wagon?"

    No, what I was saying was that you yourself made the assumption that there were only 3 scum.



    "Guess what? Some people work. Those same people may be working off multiple computers at work and at home. You know what else? Maybe they work in a company that bans access to all sites like google docs. So what's the easiest way to keep notes? Oh yeah, put them in the thread.

    My point was theres many ways to take notes without putting it on the thread. Notebook and pencil is one.


    Do you have a problem with me putting all of my notes in the thread as I'm playing?

    If the reason your doing it is as you said above, no.

    I was seeing a more sinister reason behind it is all.


    "Waiting to see if anyone else can see it. Can you?"

    Nothing jumped out at me on the reread.

    And yes, yes you did."

    What did I do that makes me scummy?



    "Suspicious or scummy?

    You seem insistent on distracting me from MandersHex. Very well, you have my attention. Unvote, Vote: kill-joy"

    Not my intention actually. My intention was to get my opinion out there, but I'm afraid my noobieness lead me to some bad conclusions.


    "So I take it that you think it's possible for at least one of loran and Iso or loran and Manders to be scumbuddies?"

    Entirely possible, yes. I'm not quite as sure as you are that Loran is town quite yet. Manders and Iso I'm not 100% on either, as a matter of fact. Closer than Loran though.


    "Have I pushed anything without compelling evidence?"

    I suppose not.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from Seppel
    Well I'm sorry to have missed them amongst the bad points.


    Well then let me summarize.

    Quote from Doc »

    "Let's state some analysis of the situation at hand. The following players are not going to both be scum: loran and Iso (for the reason that no scum is going to bus their buddy this hard with the exception of Seppel when he forgots his team)


    Loran and Iso can't BOTH be scum.

    But then he proceeds to tell us how scummy Iso is.

    Quote from Doc »

    "MandersHex and loran are also not scum together."


    Manders and Loran can't BOTH be scum.

    Quote from Doc »

    "Let's take this thing in a different direction, shall we? Vote: MandersHex"


    And when asked if he thought Manders was scum, he said yes.

    Do you really not at least think it odd that this whole "Loran and X cant both be scum" followed shortly after by "X is scum!" has happened twice?


    "Let's ask this again. Please explain to me how thinking she's either:
    a) Rating you near the top
    b) At best rating you neutral
    are any bit similar. In other words, what is the at worst equivalent for option b?"

    You know what this is Seppel. He's repeatedly asked me about my question to Loran, which as you know included these phrases.


    And yes, I pointed out how he posts some things without compelling evidence.
    But he posts once a day, and has stated that he spends 3-4 hours on some of these posts.

    The Doc seems intellegent. One would assume these posts would therefore be well thought out, and planned to at least a moderate degree.

    Have you seen a whole lot of reactionary spur-of-the moment-posts from him this game? Because I haven't.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from Seppel
    You're just throwing suspicion at him without any real merit to the suspicion. "OH WOW THESE LINES ARE CROSSED OUT SO SUSPICIOUS!!" and "I BET HE'LL VOTE MANDERS AFTER THAT OH LOOK HE DID!!" and "BUT YOU HAVE NO COMPELLING EVIDENCE MANDERS IS SCUM?!!?"

    Either The_Doctor will respond to this properly and be aggravated that he has to reply, or he'll do something else. Your arguments haven't compelled me into thinking he's scum and I don't expect The_Doctor's response to compel me either.

    In summation, it's null because of how bad it is.


    I believe I made some good points there. You seem to be missing most of them.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from Seppel


    (2) Please say nothing else about your role and just hope you don't die tonight.

    Yeah...Imma /barn this because you should NEVER reveal role info unless absolutely necessary.

    [QUOTE=Seppel;/comments/10778429]I don't see anything wrong with The_Doctor, and the strikethroughs are, as far as I can tell, points he has received answers to, with an updated point/request following it./QUOTE]

    So did you not like my points about him? Did you just not agree with them or what?
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [CCMV] Planeswalkers vs. Phyrexia - Life's Finale [Mafia Victory]
    Quote from kpaca
    Because, his behavior during the Shalako gambit points toward him being town, REGARDLESS of his prior behavior. Furthermore, his ability may be debunked based off the results of another list, and that is combined with the fact that he has claimed a cop role (more powerful than doc imo) of some sort. If you are 100% sure he is scum, he will still be scum tomorrow. It would make immensely more sense to lynch someone else today.


    Who would you like to see lynched?
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from Seppel
    I don't see anything wrong with The_Doctor, and the strikethroughs are, as far as I can tell, points he has received answers to, with an updated point/request following it.

    But this reminds me: @Iso: You know that Manders doesn't have the ability you think/thought she had, right?


    Well I see lots wrong with him.
    As for the strikethroughs, ok. I don't see a whole lot of those on this site.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Something's been bugging me for a while. Something seemed... off. So here I go to investigate.

    Quote from The_Doctor


    "Let's state some analysis of the situation at hand. The following players are not going to both be scum: loran and Iso (for the reason that no scum is going to bus their buddy this hard with the exception of Seppel when he forgots his team), Iso and Tanarin (there is no way that the game would have enough steam to get 2 of 3 scum wagoned early day 1)."

    Here he makes the assumption that there are only 3 scum.
    Here he connects Loran and Iso, and Tanarin and Iso.
    I wonder if he will try to make him out to be scum anytime soon. *cough Iso cough*

    This point will come into play later. Look for the keyword DALEK.

    Also: His logic that Iso and Tanarin couldn't both be scum is flawed, as 2 scum could totally be wagoned early day 1. I would say it's just as unlikely to find scum in RVS. It's happened before.




    "Why is pinkfloyd's the only vote on Tanarin that can be scum?"
    That's not what Manders actually said. Manders seemed to be implying that PF's was the SCUMMIEST vote on the wagon, not that he was the ONLY scum on the wagon. Possible word twisting.



    "You've never provided a justification for this. Just 'he's playing like his town self'. That's not good enough. How is he playing like his town self? What makes you so convinced he's town?"
    "Trusting Seppel's judgement is a horrible reason. I'm just going to leave it at that."
    So, this is interesting.
    Here you see a strikethrough through a sentence that The Doctor posted along with a normal sentence.

    What's interesting is that this is the internet, and not a piece of paper and pen. Theres a backspace key.
    So why include it if, as strikethroughing implies, we are no longer supposed to consider it. Why not erase it?

    What about this message are we supposed to see, but not consider? Possible breadcrumbing of some sort?



    Quote from The_Doctor

    "So you're saying that voting him would cause him to vote more?"

    I never said this either. I said that voting him may cause him to POST more.


    "This here, this is what we like to call a major town tell or extremely brilliant scum play. So yeah, heavily weighted Iso toward the town side for now (Iso, that doesn't mean I want you to start ignoring my questions again) - Unvote: Iso"
    No matter how major town that play possibly was (I'm still not convinced at the logic on that) I see no reason why two people (you and loran) who are scumhunting THAT HARD just pull something just short of a 180 based on a one sentence post like the one Iso made.

    Buddying with Loran mebe?

    For reference:

    Quote from Iso

    I'm pretty sure that when somebody quotes you, you see what their amnesia trigger (and possibly alignment) is, which is why you're convinced I'm town.




    "Tanarin - Scummy for proposing that we activate everyone's abilities, regardless of possible detriment to town Gives dagger -1 for dagger's vote on Iso when Tanarin's vote is worse than Daggers. Doesn't even bring the vote up

    MandersHex - I think I have a good idea of what her trigger/ability is, but I want her insight from tomorrow's post before I make a call on her alignment; leaning town Seems to clear you based upon what he thinks your ability is

    PinkFloyd - Town-ish for lack of usable content but for seeming town-ly with intents, diction, and reactions seeming

    The_Doctor - Obvious town; excellent player based on Twilight Mafia readings, but makes better false reads than genuine (a la pulling things out of his ass) Completely fake justification. Only play has read of mine is from Twilight Mafia where I was scum. The posts I had made in the thread at that point should not have pointed to obvious town or scum.

    kill-joy - Inept town but IGMEOY No justification

    Reya Cookiebringer - Needs to pay more attention, but leaning town Leaning town, no justification

    Seppel - loltown No justification"
    Now he's back on Iso again. Didn't he just say he was leaning heavily toward town earlier in the same post?


    "If you're going to start a phrase with 'If I was scum' (explicit or implied), just don't even bother saying it because if you were scum, you would be aware that that's how you would behave if you were scum and you'd modify your play accordingly."
    So stating that "A logical avenue for a scum in my position to take would have been..." isn't a valid argument? No wait, it is. Police do it all the time. Getting inside the heads of your opponents is how you figure out how to fight them.
    It's not invalid to think that way.


    "You were missing the sarcasm takes on the last line to make it completely obvious, but I'm glad someone else understands that."

    "I'd like to agree with so much, it's not even funny."

    "Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the perfect example of someone that believes what he's saying. I don't get how some of you can think loran is scum."
    Gee, you sure do agree with Loran a lot, don'tcha?
    More buddying.



    "Or one of any number of more likely scenarios."
    Here he avoids the possibility that Loran could have triggered his ability.


    "Also, since I want to see how many people are actually reading through this, I'm going to borrow an idea from Seppel. Will anyone that's reading this please include anything in the title bar of their next post, it can be a different icon, some text, whatever you want."
    IDK if this means anything. It seems odd.


    "MandersHex and loran are also not scum together."
    Hm. I wonder if he will paint Manders as scum anytime soon?


    "Let's take this thing in a different direction, shall we? Vote: MandersHex"
    Kind of like this maybe?
    Oh, and DALEK.

    Quote from The_Doctor


    [quote]
    "Scum will take whichever path they believe gives them the best chances of winning. It doesn't always mean they'll be right, but this rule is the one constant that you know about scum behavior. Rather than coming up with 20 theories will little supporting evidence, you are much more likely to be on the right track with one or two theories that are much simpler. For example, you yourself mentioned the possibility of the Tanarin wagon being a scum wagon that wouldn't all be scum. You are making an assumption that there are less than four scum in the game. Until we have evidence to the contrary, it is a valid assumption. Ockham's razor is a very helpful tool in this regard."
    Wait... Didn't HE make that assumption way back here?:

    Quote from The_Doctor


    "there is no way that the game would have enough steam to get 2 of 3 scum wagoned early day 1)."



    "My gut is telling me to and I see no compelling evidence that she is town."
    He also provided no compelling evidence that she isn't.


    "Manders and kill-joy sitting in a tree?"
    Here he connects Manders and I, after he alluded to the fact that he thinks Manders is scum. That's fine. Calling me scum isn't the problem here.

    This is:

    Quote from The_Doctor

    "No need to concern yourself with the question. It's more a note to myself for later."

    A note, huh? I take notes. On my computer.
    Not online. You know what I put online? Things I want people to read, and/or think about.

    More breadcrumbing.


    "Isn't that fascinating. Why do you feel pinkfloyd is a better lynch target than Tanarin?"
    When did the Doc say that Tanarin was a good lynch target before this?
    Do you think Tanarin is scum? Can you tell us why?


    "No, that's not what he said means. Are you purposefully misconstruing what Seppel is trying to say?"
    Again on the attack. Seems like more word twisting, imho.


    [quote]
    "So you need a lot of posts to judge a read on a player? What's the difference between needing a lot of content and needing a lot of posts? I am a high-content, low post-count player."
    It's obvious to me what PF meant.
    This seems like Doc's twisting more words around here.



    "A bit more of information - Roja is now looking town more now than ever before."
    No evidence presented. Why is it?

    Quote from The_Doctor

    "The connection is based around how you have played in the scenario, not how she has played."

    So, on top of giving no evidence to support this, you imply that I've done something to lump me in with the scum you've already accused.


    "Let's ask this again. Please explain to me how thinking she's either:
    a) Rating you near the top
    b) At best rating you neutral
    are any bit similar. In other words, what is the at worst equivalent for option b?"
    After explaining this to him once, he still tried to make something seemingly out of nothing.
    Odd also how it was in response to a question to Loran.

    IDK for sure about Loran. All I know is the Doc is defending/barning him a lot. Food for thought.



    "I would like reasoning from both Roja and Seppel as to why pinkfloyd posting irrelevant posts provides proof of him being either scum or town."
    Again with the strikethroughs.

    I honestly think theres a lot of suspicious stuff going on here.
    I'd like more opinions, but I'm still going to Vote The_Doctor.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [CCMV] Planeswalkers vs. Phyrexia - Life's Finale [Mafia Victory]
    Quote from DigicoolDad
    @Muffin, my bad, I started to post and walked away before the last one. Still, use of the f-bomb needs to chill.

    I have lots of thoughts. Who the heck wants to hear them?
    @Arti, you really give a dixie toot what I think?

    What about you, Muffin Man?

    I actually do want to hear them. Things are getting crazy and a new opinion won't hurt any I think.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [CCMV] Planeswalkers vs. Phyrexia - Life's Finale [Mafia Victory]
    Quote from Horseshoe_Hermit

    Hey guys Artifice is scum. But I'm really bad at getting that out of people, so go do your thing on him.

    So, no proof and depending on others to get reasons for you.
    Accusations without reasons at all/good reasons. Sounds familiar.


    kill joy, you were right there helping Shalako say everything he wanted. You cannot honestly finger Shalako with suspicion. You can only tell me you want Chibi dead today. Today.

    Knew I had hear that whole 'reasons' thing somewhere recently.

    Can we have some proof? Random accusations are pointless, and turning town against each other, as you possibly seem to be doing here isn't helping us catch scum.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [CCMV] Planeswalkers vs. Phyrexia - Life's Finale [Mafia Victory]
    Quote from Artifice 101
    Breadcrumbs are cool. Cool Almost as cool as bow ties.


    Nowhere near as cool as fezes though.



    Hey, while you're at it, why don't you include why we're not lyching Yanni today? Because I don't see why we aren't.

    Confirm Vote Yanni

    Presumably people aren't doing it because he's vegging till the 30th.

    Although that's a horrible reason.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [CCMV] Planeswalkers vs. Phyrexia - Life's Finale [Mafia Victory]
    Quote from Horseshoe_Hermit

    kill joy, you co-operated with Shalako that whole time. Your view is that it had flaws in conception, i.e., the information you had when it started.

    I'm sorry... what?

    1. I haven't been "cooperating" with Shalako. Where did you even get that idea?

    2. My view is that what Shalako did was super scummy and I can't see any townie motivation for it. How did I see "flaws in conception"?



    Moreover, vezok has been weird the whole game, sure, but there is one interpretation his one move you identify could have: Luring some idiot to be the first to finger vezok for exactly that move, him being the bravest to take that up directly and explicitly first, when thoughts about Chibi did still need examination.

    Now you know what vezok's motives for that were? He coudln't have been, ya know... HONESTLY accusing Chibi of being scummy?

    That's what I think he did. And I called him on it.
    [/quote]
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on [CCMV] Planeswalkers vs. Phyrexia - Life's Finale [Mafia Victory]
    Quote from Roja
    I would think it would be. He is too quite in here for my liking. Which tells me he is hiding.

    That's true. We haven't really heard from him in a while.


    I couldn't have said it any better. /barn Artificer. Esp the bolded part. Which is why I believe it to be a town role. Well that an among other things I have said about him before the reveal..

    This is a BIG reason why I removed my vote. I'd never quite thought about it like that before, and I haven't enough evidence to think a whole lot otherwise.


    Clearly Chibi belieived him hence why he spewed the info. Do you really think that Chibi's reaction is fake? What makes you think that?

    I know you weren't asking me here... But I for one do not believe he was faking. I do believe he was in claim range at that point, although I do hold to the possibility that he changed the side his Role said he was on.
    Wait, scum CAN have coroners, right? I'm not mistaken there?

    However, I think vezok's post was trying to repaint him as scum here, causing me to FOS Vezok. Also FOS Shalako for, minumum, tricking a newb into claiming. Maximum is it was a gambit to force a possible townie into claiming and riding that to a lynch.

    I still need to do a reread, but I'm still not 100% on Chibi's innocence. Newbieness isn't enough for me. There's a lot of flailing for an innocent newb, imo.
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  • posted a message on [Mini Game] Amnesia Mafia - GAME OVER : A Brave New World
    Quote from loran16
    You're not scumhunting at all. You're following Seppel, but you're steadfastingly refusing to vote.

    There's no element of what you're doing that can be construed as scumhunting.

    Thank you for answering.
    I'll take that into account.
    Posted in: Mafia
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