I figured that was the reason you did the title bar thing?
Yes. You started the wagon when you voted for him. It just never took off.
Ok.
Ok, I looked at them. So, the crux of your whole case on him is the alleged taking stuff out of context?
You do realize that could easily be a misinterpretation, right?
I guess? I'm not seeing it.
Again. You didn't REALLY point it out. You made snide comments and bolded or used really big font. But you didn't say anything about it. Just did what he told you to do.
In other words, you were trying to bring it to people's attention without actually doing it. Meaning, you were probably trying to point it out to your buddies without saying "Hey, guys, don't miss this!"
I'm not a fan of when people take what I say out of context.
People seem to have a habit of not reading this forum, as the Doc, Loran, and you have pointed out. If people take what I say out of context, how can I be sure that the person who responds to it actually read the original posts.
Oh, I don't need to look at the posts to answer that.
It's garbage because you used that as an excuse to get off the horribly bad The_Doctor wagon you tried to start.
Like I said, I didn't think of unvoting at the time. Look how many total times I've voted before this. Like in my mafia career. I don't do it that much. I'm likely to, and in this case did, forget.
That being said, had I remembered I wouldn't be "getting off the Doc wagon" because I wouldn't have been on a wagon when I voted PF.
And the reasons I voted PF are in those posts.
Bull****. You didn't call anything out. You made a spectacle of what he did, but you never said anything about it until he asked you why you made a spectacle of it.
Ok, I will rephrase again.
I pointed it out because I saw it as odd.
That's not a very good rephrase either. That wasn't one of his points.
I'm sorry... What?
That doesn't answer my question.
WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM?
Because due to that post, which I felt was completely valid when I wrote it, were reasons I thought he was scum. Hence the vote.
Not really. Look at his posts again. When he's deciding someone's town, he's pretty tight-lipped on why unless he's pushed for reasons.
Hm... Ok. I thought he did.
Guess who told him to read the bolded.
Way to not read my post, though, Iso.
(If I'm ever in a game where I think you're scum, you will be IsoScummy!)
IsoFunny!
and, yes, I'm actually cracking up at myself here, haha.[/quote]
This is part of what I'm saying. I don't really recall him doing a whole lot of this, if really at all.
This entire post reads as if you've realized that you were probably wrong about The_Doctor. It has an entire air of defeat. So, why didn't you unvote?
Indeed I am probably wrong about him.
Why didn't I unvote? Simple. I forgot.
I haven't voted all that much this game, and therefore forgot the need to unvote.
Why do you care so much?
I was making a point when I posted those things.
If you take them out of context, as PF did, they can easily be misconstrued.
This is not just garbage, Seps. This is scummy.
Unvote, Vote: kill-joy
I would like you to look at the posts I refered Seppel to, and answer the same question. Why is it garbage, exactly?
How so? He said, right when he said what to do, what he was doing. How is it suspicious to put in a post a way to verify if people are reading or skimming?
Even if he said why he was doing it, he could have been lying about the reason. I called it out and he responded in a way that caused me to drop suspicion.
You call that being reamed?
Let me rephrase then.
"One of his points to me was contridicted by something he said earlier"
Then why did you vote for him?
I believe I voted during my initial post, and the quote is part of my response to his response.
He's talking about when Alpha posted the vote count showing Loran only had one vote, and I asked if that was right, then Loran responded that yes, it is, yes, he knows why, and no, he's not sharing. Loran responding as such absolutely points to us not having communication outside of the game. (Because, if I were scum, I would have access to Loran's role PM, I'm sure.)
Right! I forgot about that.
Please quote what things he's posted with NO supporting evidence.
"A bit more of information - Roja is now looking town more now than ever before."
This one is the first that came to mind.
He didn't provide evidence as to why Roja is town when he wrote it.
Which, along with what you quoted, you will see that due to the fact that he only posts once a day and takes so long on his posts, I found it odd that he didn't provide evidence to this point.
I've claimed both Loran and Tanarin are scum, that's 2/3.... And quite frankly I just want to lynch one so the game keeps going and gives more to post about.
I'm voting tanarin, but loran is also a great option
I'm not ready to make that choice just yet.
We will see how things go though.
"That doesn't quite help now, does it? The damage has already been done twice. You also didn't actually answer the question. Why in the world did you call those bits out in the first place?"
1) I only recall doing it once.
2) Because I thought the strategy suspicious.
"No, I most certainly did not. This is a blatant misrepresentation of what happened. Below is the full exchange:"
That wasn't even the exchange at all.
It was refering to me making the assumption that there aren't more than three scum in this game.
"Let's state some analysis of the situation at hand. The following players are not going to both be scum: loran and Iso (for the reason that no scum is going to bus their buddy this hard with the exception of Seppel when he forgots his team), Iso and Tanarin (there is no way that the game would have enough steam to get 2 of 3 scum wagoned early day 1)."
Here you say 2 of the 3 scum. This means you're making the assumption that there are only 3 scum.
"Scum will take whichever path they believe gives them the best chances of winning. It doesn't always mean they'll be right, but this rule is the one constant that you know about scum behavior. Rather than coming up with 20 theories will little supporting evidence, you are much more likely to be on the right track with one or two theories that are much simpler. For example, you yourself mentioned the possibility of the Tanarin wagon being a scum wagon that wouldn't all be scum. You are making an assumption that there are less than four scum in the game. Until we have evidence to the contrary, it is a valid assumption. Ockham's razor is a very helpful tool in this regard."
Bolded for emphasis.
Like I said, you reamed me for making that assumption.
"What do you consider to be bread-crumbing?"
Doing things with no apperent reason that seem to be implying that something else along those lines are coming in the future.
"And what reason is that, pray tell?"
I didn't know yet. Like I said, I thought you were breadcrumbing it. (See above for description on that)
"Well, your extremely horrible case against me is a huge point, but the original point I was mentioning was in the post I quoted when you started this whole fracas."
The extremely horrible case is just that. A badly thought out case.
Like you said, I'm inexperienced. I don't know the kinds of choices scum make in this game.
Can you requote it? I don't remember which post that was.
"So at this point are you backing off from thinking I'm scum or not?"
At this point I've decided to wait until I get more of a case as to whether you're scum or not.
"As for loran and Iso, you will have to be able to justify loran's continued attacks on Iso until the fated Iso post. Whereas for Manders and loran, you will have to justify Manders not understanding loran's it was either trigger or ability. Can't remember which."
Noted.
And I don't remember Manders not understanding that.
I recall Reya not understanding when we were still in RVS, but I think that's not what you're talking about.
"*cough* Pot, kettle *cough*"
Pretty sure I never took them out of context. Just made a bad case, is all.
"Then you need to get your eyeglasses prescription redone."
I never said that. That was Tanarin.
Why are you attributing that to me?
"Ha, worse vote than Tanarin's on the Iso wagon. Please people, kill-joy needs more votes."
Since you quoted my responses to him, I think you know why I voted him.
So then, why is the vote bad?
"A vote would be more effective at this junction."
This was Seppel.
"Now, for the questions of mine that kill-joy did not answer:
1) Why do you feel the need to get defensive about me insinuating that you are scum with Manders?
The way you did it rubbed me the wrong way.
I'm was trying to figure out you're whole "sitting in a tree" thing, plus at that point you hadn't given me any reason to think you actually thought I was scum.
2) What's the reason/logic behind posting this:"[/QUOTE]
Because you only post once a day, and said once that you sometimes take 3-4 hours to write your posts.
And yet you posted a few things with no supporting evidence.
Okay, well, I apologize. I looked at what was written and didn't see it in a quote so assumed you stated that.
Sure.
By "lurk" do you mean the ammount of posts I make or something else?
Not just the amount, but content as well.
You seem to be waiting for someone to be really scummy. Why are you sitting back and waiting? What good does that do town?
But do you really think I am the scummiest and deserve to be lynched day 1?
Scum needs to be lynched. Who else would you lynch today?
Wasn't it your words claiming "Manders and Loran can't BOTH be scum, Loran and Iso can't BOTH be scum" ? I'm pretty sure it wasn't a quote...
No, it wasn't a quote. I was reinstating what the Doc said.
My comment was just a statement that I believe there are only 3 scum players in the game.
Oh, ok. It sounded like you were saying "I came to this conclusion too, so you're wrong."
Trust me, I am not making a case against you or doc.
See, thats the thing. I don't trust you. You're kinda lurky and the post I responded to by you didn't help.
Any real reason or??
As of this moment, I think you're scum. You took what I said completely out of context, and it seems like you are attempting to misconstrue what I really did say.
That, and the general lurkyness.
Just throw him in a mouse wheel.
Same difference.
He'll die of exhaustion.
And you know that because...
you're scum too?
Honored to have a knight join our little game.
YOU ASKED FOR EVIDENCE OF... you know what, forget it.
It's how I interpreted what you asked me to do.
No...
I figured thats why you asked us to put the Magic card in the title bar...
I figured that was the reason you did the title bar thing?
Ok.
I guess? I'm not seeing it.
It was to everyone...
And I don't have buddies.
Ok.
Yeah...
Vote InUtterDarkness cuz I can't see.
Yup.
I'm not a fan of when people take what I say out of context.
People seem to have a habit of not reading this forum, as the Doc, Loran, and you have pointed out. If people take what I say out of context, how can I be sure that the person who responds to it actually read the original posts.
Like I said, I didn't think of unvoting at the time. Look how many total times I've voted before this. Like in my mafia career. I don't do it that much. I'm likely to, and in this case did, forget.
That being said, had I remembered I wouldn't be "getting off the Doc wagon" because I wouldn't have been on a wagon when I voted PF.
And the reasons I voted PF are in those posts.
Ok, I will rephrase again.
I pointed it out because I saw it as odd.
I'm sorry... What?
Because due to that post, which I felt was completely valid when I wrote it, were reasons I thought he was scum. Hence the vote.
Hm... Ok. I thought he did.
Guess who told him to read the bolded.
Way to not read my post, though, Iso.
(If I'm ever in a game where I think you're scum, you will be IsoScummy!)
IsoFunny!
and, yes, I'm actually cracking up at myself here, haha.[/quote]
Ok.
Posts 661, 666,667,668, 676,677,678,679,681,682, and the final part at 685.
Your turn.
This is part of what I'm saying. I don't really recall him doing a whole lot of this, if really at all.
Indeed I am probably wrong about him.
Why didn't I unvote? Simple. I forgot.
I haven't voted all that much this game, and therefore forgot the need to unvote.
I was making a point when I posted those things.
If you take them out of context, as PF did, they can easily be misconstrued.
I would like you to look at the posts I refered Seppel to, and answer the same question. Why is it garbage, exactly?
Even if he said why he was doing it, he could have been lying about the reason. I called it out and he responded in a way that caused me to drop suspicion.
Let me rephrase then.
"One of his points to me was contridicted by something he said earlier"
I believe I voted during my initial post, and the quote is part of my response to his response.
Right! I forgot about that.
This one is the first that came to mind.
He didn't provide evidence as to why Roja is town when he wrote it.
Which, along with what you quoted, you will see that due to the fact that he only posts once a day and takes so long on his posts, I found it odd that he didn't provide evidence to this point.
He usually does.
I'm not ready to make that choice just yet.
We will see how things go though.
1) I only recall doing it once.
2) Because I thought the strategy suspicious.
That wasn't even the exchange at all.
It was refering to me making the assumption that there aren't more than three scum in this game.
Here you say 2 of the 3 scum. This means you're making the assumption that there are only 3 scum.
Bolded for emphasis.
Like I said, you reamed me for making that assumption.
Doing things with no apperent reason that seem to be implying that something else along those lines are coming in the future.
I didn't know yet. Like I said, I thought you were breadcrumbing it. (See above for description on that)
The extremely horrible case is just that. A badly thought out case.
Like you said, I'm inexperienced. I don't know the kinds of choices scum make in this game.
Can you requote it? I don't remember which post that was.
At this point I've decided to wait until I get more of a case as to whether you're scum or not.
Noted.
And I don't remember Manders not understanding that.
I recall Reya not understanding when we were still in RVS, but I think that's not what you're talking about.
Pretty sure I never took them out of context. Just made a bad case, is all.
I never said that. That was Tanarin.
Why are you attributing that to me?
Since you quoted my responses to him, I think you know why I voted him.
So then, why is the vote bad?
This was Seppel.
The way you did it rubbed me the wrong way.
I'm was trying to figure out you're whole "sitting in a tree" thing, plus at that point you hadn't given me any reason to think you actually thought I was scum.
2) What's the reason/logic behind posting this:"[/QUOTE]
Because you only post once a day, and said once that you sometimes take 3-4 hours to write your posts.
And yet you posted a few things with no supporting evidence.
Deflection noted.
Answer the question please.
Sure.
Not just the amount, but content as well.
You seem to be waiting for someone to be really scummy. Why are you sitting back and waiting? What good does that do town?
Scum needs to be lynched. Who else would you lynch today?
Would you like to elaborate on this? WHY do you say its garbage?
No, it wasn't a quote. I was reinstating what the Doc said.
Oh, ok. It sounded like you were saying "I came to this conclusion too, so you're wrong."
See, thats the thing. I don't trust you. You're kinda lurky and the post I responded to by you didn't help.
As of this moment, I think you're scum. You took what I said completely out of context, and it seems like you are attempting to misconstrue what I really did say.
That, and the general lurkyness.