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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    KJ and Cantrip I have nothing on


    Dota had a few town pings in tone but not enough that I really got there on him. Definitely liked his version of the KJ special where he just did his own thing and chased it down.
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    @Everyone
    I would like to play a simple game

    Given all the remaining players
    tell me in one word, if you think they are a wolf or town, without saying anything else. I don't want an explanation, you can leave that for another post. I just want, town or wolf, mafia or villager, and no nulls.

    Proph: wolf
    DoTA: wolf
    Cantrip: wolf
    Wisp: Town
    Axelrod: town
    KJ: Wolf

    Have everyone but Wisp and Axel at slightly above random to be a wolf.
    Grape: Explain this progression. Why the wolf on Cantrip when you've barely mentioned him all game up to this point? You've at least mentioned me and things I've done at that point as if you're trying to evauluate me, but you never really said much about Cantrip.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    wisp: love how everyone has collectively cleared us as town, and all of them are trying to argue the other two are it

    I mean, also you and Wisp haven't hammered, so you guys are clear now for THAT reason as well.

    So there's that.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Highroller »


    Vote count (As of Post #679):

    Gentleman Johnny - 3 (Axelrod, DOTArchon, D_V)
    Grapefruit21 - 3 (Prophylaxis, LastWhisper, GJ)
    Prophylaxis - 2 (Cantripmancer, Grapefruit21)
    LastWhisper - 1 (Killjoy)
    This is a post near the end of D1. I think all the voters on Grape are town, and interestingly all of the scum in this case would be on Proph (which continues to make him town if that's the case). Also all of the unknowns are between Proph and Grape, which makes them less likely a team.

    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Calling my voting record abysmal is funny.

    GJ doesn't really feel like a wolf here. Proph does. DV feels town. Wisp feels town. Axel feels town.

    I can't remember a single post of KJs.
    Also of note, the only unknown Grape doesn't mention here is Cantrip.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Am I just trying to prove Grape/Eco then? I guess so?
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    I think... I'm gonna start skimming Wisp too. I think he's town. His positioning feels so natural.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    So, here's what I'm seeing so far as of ~550

    Wisp is mostly all over the place, but I feel like he's getting there naturally. The out of nowhere pressureswitches are pretty fine, and aren't really in a conformist or "following the scummy town wagon" kinda way. He's kinda bouncing off the walls instead of maliciously targeting people who are low hanging fruit BECAUSE they are low hanging fruit (such as me or DotA).

    Grape has a fairly higher than normal volume of buzzwords (see 543/544 for good examples). I also noticed he "Hmmmm"ed at Cantrip in 277, but I don't really see any follow up from that as of yet. There's also something to be said about tone, but that's not as reliable as positioning.

    Cantrip hasn't done much as of this point, but it's of note that he started this game (stated at least twice) with a weak townread of me. I recognize that I didn't have much content as of ~250 or so by the time he had stated them. As of tat point, that's what I've got for him.

    Continuing reading.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    I mean you were all quite null at that point, I like focusing the low posters, but I don't like making up/forcing reasons to yeet them, on day 1
    I know. I'm just loling because the three you named are all the possible scum at this point from your perspective.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Bolded by me.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    @DV
    hey, if you think are right, do your thing
    I will hammer anyone at EoD outside myself either way

    actually that is lie, there are people I wouldn't vote
    Killjoy/Cantrip/Grape
    killjoy is still too null
    mayyyyyyyybe axel, but like I think his mannerisms are townie, and I am still holding a lot of weight on his entrance
    lmao. This is funny given the gamestate.

    I still think Wisp is leaning town though.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    U all talking about not hammering yet, is irrelevant, we have no idea where grape is, or when he is coming back. And let's argue mafia chat is on discord or something where you can ping him, and he is a wolf, with me or anyone here. It doesn't mean he will read it any time soon if he busy. If me or Proph are wolves, and/or with Grape. The gamestate is already in our hands

    I'm... not sure what the point of this is? What are you responding to?
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Ecophagy »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    This out of nowhere post might point away from Wisp/Grape.


    Tthe fact that LW and Grape haven't voted you for the win is probably a better indication.
    Grape can't vote if he's not here Eco.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    I like grape btw
    This out of nowhere post might point away from Wisp/Grape.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Reading Crossbell now and it's so many posts. My eyes just want to glaze over it. I have become a dinosaur.

    Anyway I still have my same feelings about Crossbell's entrance. If I'm being generous some of the jaggedness could be coming from the roleplay, but it's spikey.

    And the rainbow wall is still just rubbing me the wrong way. Like the read on me for example chooses to harp on the second vote when it seems obvious my vote was determined before the game by the cards. But then there does seem to be a reasonable thought process on reacting to my posts. Interestingly though is that it's very staccato. Could be a playstyle thing but each point about my posts is disconnected from the last. For example mentions my question to Wisp looks like busy work but then likes my explanation in #66 with some reservations. Or the emphasis on 69 being unexplained and abrupt before sort of liking my 73 where it's explained. It feels performative but I am not sure if I'm mistaking different style for scummy. To me it feels like busywork because I'd never do an ISO that way and I'd weave back to the earlier posts in my analysis and how the subsequent posts change my opinions of them. The only reason I might is if I was scum just trying to get something to stick to the wall and was writing up every post without thinking about it.

    The words on DV have the same sort of staccato element to a lesser degree. But in fairness the read on Wisp is much more fluid.

    So the whole thing just feels off to me just on a process level and that's before I get to the reads that just make me squint like the Axel suspicion, Dota getting scum leaned, and the content of the Wisp read which stands out in how hedgey it is compared to everything else.

    The spamming with Wisp definitely does feel like an attempt to solve him. Like he clearly knows Wisp and irking Wisp and spamming with him is usually a reliable way to sort him so that's a town indication.

    If Crossbell is Osie as people have speculated (I don't want to know the mystery is fun and I am truly awful at guessing Alts going 0'fer in the DLP/MU thing game) then the reads wall is much less of a red flag. 133. Well the reads part of it. I'd have to do a meta dive on Osie to see if the staccato part translates but I'm not going to do a meta dive based upon speculation that I don't really have an opinion on.

    The Axel Meta analysis doesn't give me great vibes. It's very arbitrary with the 100 post cut off and fact that in particular 80s feelgood was similarly joking. I get that it was about the switch flipping to serious but it doesn't go into the context of the game at all. The comparison to Feel Good 80s in particular is pinging me. That game was so comparably jokey that I think it completely undermines their point. And I think Crossbell knows it too throwing my quote in at the end talking about how the joking is a character break. Definitely agenda vibes here.

    The team sort in 155 is just incomprehensible to me. I have no clue how any Cantrip teams were eliminated at that point. Cantrip had 1 post at that point. 1.

    I think this might be confirmation bias because I've been scum reading Cross through this ISO but the friendly meme'ing with Proph and DV feels like if not a pocket attempt and attempt to get in their good graces.

    198 is sort of what I mean. It's a kind of pointless post other than to agree with Proph. He doesn't really use that distinction to push Wisp or Axel. He's pushing Axel but that is never really his point.

    The pivot to Dota has a whiff of OMGUS to it. Not in the traditional sense of a knee jerk reaction but in a wanting to build a wagon over the vote. The move off Axel and onto Dota just feels off to me. I can't point to any specific post but the way they beg DV to go with them and then follow Proph instead after DV votes with Cross is just more of the appeasement I was getting at.

    ISO done.

    So major thoughts are the intial tone felt off but that improved throughout the game. Probably was mostly early Roleplay missing for me. The readswall and team sort are agenda'y red flags to me. As is the intial Axel push. Then the buddying up to Proph and DV just doesn't feel like town core building to me (given the different handling of Wisp for example).

    Vote on Crossbell sticking and increasing in intensity.
    The analysis doesn't mesh with the conclusion.

    The entire post is hard scumreading Cross (or should be by tone and intensity), but the final conclusion seems like he's still building. I don't feel like this is a fair analysis of Cross from Grape.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    During my read Wisp isn't doing too bad, so that scumread is cooling off.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Ecophagy »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Wisp: Proph-senpai needs you. Come back.


    But don't you think Wisp is scum??
    Grape might be scum instead.
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