Reading Axel's wall on me and it has reminded me that I need to go reread the end of day. Definitely joining the chorus that the change in opinion on me through the wall just feels incredibly natural. Especially since given my lack of cache Axel could just try to bury me here with little chance of blowback. If he was scum he is A in great position and B definitely does not need to defend me there. Doesn't even feel like he was trying to leave himself a back door to come back to me tomorrow while putting me on the backburner to focus on Dota or Eco toDay.
Need to dive into Eco's entrance a bit deeper but I am trying to figure out the repeated interactions with Proph. The repeated invocation of playing devil's advocate just is pinging me. Proph is in the position of power here and I'm not sure why he's putting the WIFOM out there on his handling of Wisp and Eco's reaction to it. Feels overly defensive while still trying to maintain distance from his actions. Why is proph spilling wine about his own theoretical scum motivations here. Rather than just the more assertive tone he was using at EoD and garnering town reads from DV for, just feels wrong to me.
Okay. I guess I can buy this? Just to play devil's advocate a little more, I'm not sure that I would leave Wisp on the mislunch table as scum given that I had quite a fair bit of pushback in the early game when I called him scum. I think I was the only player to actively scumread him at that stage. But fair, I can buy this line of reasoning.
This is Grape's first real interaction with the slot in a while... and it's about how Proph is scummy?
Dota had a few town pings in tone but not enough that I really got there on him. Definitely liked his version of the KJ special where he just did his own thing and chased it down.
Given all the remaining players
tell me in one word, if you think they are a wolf or town, without saying anything else. I don't want an explanation, you can leave that for another post. I just want, town or wolf, mafia or villager, and no nulls.
Proph: wolf
DoTA: wolf
Cantrip: wolf
Wisp: Town
Axelrod: town
KJ: Wolf
Have everyone but Wisp and Axel at slightly above random to be a wolf.
Grape: Explain this progression. Why the wolf on Cantrip when you've barely mentioned him all game up to this point? You've at least mentioned me and things I've done at that point as if you're trying to evauluate me, but you never really said much about Cantrip.
This is a post near the end of D1. I think all the voters on Grape are town, and interestingly all of the scum in this case would be on Proph (which continues to make him town if that's the case). Also all of the unknowns are between Proph and Grape, which makes them less likely a team.
Wisp is mostly all over the place, but I feel like he's getting there naturally. The out of nowhere pressureswitches are pretty fine, and aren't really in a conformist or "following the scummy town wagon" kinda way. He's kinda bouncing off the walls instead of maliciously targeting people who are low hanging fruit BECAUSE they are low hanging fruit (such as me or DotA).
Grape has a fairly higher than normal volume of buzzwords (see 543/544 for good examples). I also noticed he "Hmmmm"ed at Cantrip in 277, but I don't really see any follow up from that as of yet. There's also something to be said about tone, but that's not as reliable as positioning.
Cantrip hasn't done much as of this point, but it's of note that he started this game (stated at least twice) with a weak townread of me. I recognize that I didn't have much content as of ~250 or so by the time he had stated them. As of tat point, that's what I've got for him.
@DV
hey, if you think are right, do your thing
I will hammer anyone at EoD outside myself either way
actually that is lie, there are people I wouldn't vote Killjoy/Cantrip/Grape
killjoy is still too null
mayyyyyyyybe axel, but like I think his mannerisms are townie, and I am still holding a lot of weight on his entrance
U all talking about not hammering yet, is irrelevant, we have no idea where grape is, or when he is coming back. And let's argue mafia chat is on discord or something where you can ping him, and he is a wolf, with me or anyone here. It doesn't mean he will read it any time soon if he busy. If me or Proph are wolves, and/or with Grape. The gamestate is already in our hands
I'm... not sure what the point of this is? What are you responding to?
Reading Crossbell now and it's so many posts. My eyes just want to glaze over it. I have become a dinosaur.
Anyway I still have my same feelings about Crossbell's entrance. If I'm being generous some of the jaggedness could be coming from the roleplay, but it's spikey.
And the rainbow wall is still just rubbing me the wrong way. Like the read on me for example chooses to harp on the second vote when it seems obvious my vote was determined before the game by the cards. But then there does seem to be a reasonable thought process on reacting to my posts. Interestingly though is that it's very staccato. Could be a playstyle thing but each point about my posts is disconnected from the last. For example mentions my question to Wisp looks like busy work but then likes my explanation in #66 with some reservations. Or the emphasis on 69 being unexplained and abrupt before sort of liking my 73 where it's explained. It feels performative but I am not sure if I'm mistaking different style for scummy. To me it feels like busywork because I'd never do an ISO that way and I'd weave back to the earlier posts in my analysis and how the subsequent posts change my opinions of them. The only reason I might is if I was scum just trying to get something to stick to the wall and was writing up every post without thinking about it.
The words on DV have the same sort of staccato element to a lesser degree. But in fairness the read on Wisp is much more fluid.
So the whole thing just feels off to me just on a process level and that's before I get to the reads that just make me squint like the Axel suspicion, Dota getting scum leaned, and the content of the Wisp read which stands out in how hedgey it is compared to everything else.
The spamming with Wisp definitely does feel like an attempt to solve him. Like he clearly knows Wisp and irking Wisp and spamming with him is usually a reliable way to sort him so that's a town indication.
If Crossbell is Osie as people have speculated (I don't want to know the mystery is fun and I am truly awful at guessing Alts going 0'fer in the DLP/MU thing game) then the reads wall is much less of a red flag. 133. Well the reads part of it. I'd have to do a meta dive on Osie to see if the staccato part translates but I'm not going to do a meta dive based upon speculation that I don't really have an opinion on.
The Axel Meta analysis doesn't give me great vibes. It's very arbitrary with the 100 post cut off and fact that in particular 80s feelgood was similarly joking. I get that it was about the switch flipping to serious but it doesn't go into the context of the game at all. The comparison to Feel Good 80s in particular is pinging me. That game was so comparably jokey that I think it completely undermines their point. And I think Crossbell knows it too throwing my quote in at the end talking about how the joking is a character break. Definitely agenda vibes here.
The team sort in 155 is just incomprehensible to me. I have no clue how any Cantrip teams were eliminated at that point. Cantrip had 1 post at that point. 1.
I think this might be confirmation bias because I've been scum reading Cross through this ISO but the friendly meme'ing with Proph and DV feels like if not a pocket attempt and attempt to get in their good graces.
198 is sort of what I mean. It's a kind of pointless post other than to agree with Proph. He doesn't really use that distinction to push Wisp or Axel. He's pushing Axel but that is never really his point.
The pivot to Dota has a whiff of OMGUS to it. Not in the traditional sense of a knee jerk reaction but in a wanting to build a wagon over the vote. The move off Axel and onto Dota just feels off to me. I can't point to any specific post but the way they beg DV to go with them and then follow Proph instead after DV votes with Cross is just more of the appeasement I was getting at.
ISO done.
So major thoughts are the intial tone felt off but that improved throughout the game. Probably was mostly early Roleplay missing for me. The readswall and team sort are agenda'y red flags to me. As is the intial Axel push. Then the buddying up to Proph and DV just doesn't feel like town core building to me (given the different handling of Wisp for example).
Vote on Crossbell sticking and increasing in intensity.
The analysis doesn't mesh with the conclusion.
The entire post is hard scumreading Cross (or should be by tone and intensity), but the final conclusion seems like he's still building. I don't feel like this is a fair analysis of Cross from Grape.
So there's that.
Also of note, the only unknown Grape doesn't mention here is Cantrip.
Wisp is mostly all over the place, but I feel like he's getting there naturally. The out of nowhere pressureswitches are pretty fine, and aren't really in a conformist or "following the scummy town wagon" kinda way. He's kinda bouncing off the walls instead of maliciously targeting people who are low hanging fruit BECAUSE they are low hanging fruit (such as me or DotA).
Grape has a fairly higher than normal volume of buzzwords (see 543/544 for good examples). I also noticed he "Hmmmm"ed at Cantrip in 277, but I don't really see any follow up from that as of yet. There's also something to be said about tone, but that's not as reliable as positioning.
Cantrip hasn't done much as of this point, but it's of note that he started this game (stated at least twice) with a weak townread of me. I recognize that I didn't have much content as of ~250 or so by the time he had stated them. As of tat point, that's what I've got for him.
Continuing reading.
I still think Wisp is leaning town though.
The entire post is hard scumreading Cross (or should be by tone and intensity), but the final conclusion seems like he's still building. I don't feel like this is a fair analysis of Cross from Grape.