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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Ok continuing my towncase.

    @Proph:
    1. Because I had no confidence in the high/low thing as an ACTUAL THING. It was more "this feels like this could be the case, lets assume it's true and see where it goes" and it turned out to not be a thing.

    2.I believe it was because I disliked DotA's lack of really doing anything at all more than I disliked Cantrip's play. I think I made a post addressing that somewhere, and when I come across it during my towncase I'll make a note.

    3. IIRC I was reading his ISO when I posted that first post, and then was asked by Wisp to ISO him officially? Yeah no in a post just before it I said I was rereading Osie. And I think I made the "Cross might be scum" post because I'd already finished reading his ISO and that was the conclusion I'd come to?
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    dead townie's reads are useless to look at because at the time of their death, they had access to less information than i have now

    Exactly! That is 100% true!

    Ok I need to go to work but I've started my towncase
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    BTW Proph I fully expect you to troll spec chat all day. Just keep making posts about how it's obviously one of us or the other until the last moment.
    Just keep them guessing.

    And don't go back and read anything dead town have wrote, especially not Axel. He loves it when you don't read his posts after he dies.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Don't know that one.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    I totally know who this is now. I've gotten far enough into Dangonranpa 2. Bit of a weirdo.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Vote Grapefruit

    Also Proph, if you're slow rolling us for some reason...
    We will have words! But not really, I wouldn't be THAT mad.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    Also it's very funny that I am now the person who decides the fate of the final MTGS Mafia game.

    Been playing this stupid forum game since 2011 and it has shaped nearly a decade of my life. Feel honored to be given the chance to end it like this.
    I find it funny that the final game will basically come down to whether or not I'm town, which seems to be usually the big question of most games I'm in.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    ...I was expecting Proph to be dead right now. WTF.
    I look forward to hearing why you went this way.

    Quote from Prophylaxis »
    i’m thinking i’ll give y’all ~24 hours or so to case each other/yourselves before i go through your iso’s and raise specific concerns i have with each of you

    just don’t want to give whichever of you is the wolf a roadmap of how to bury the other and steer the conversation too much

    but obviously i will also interject and pester you two with questions/concerns as you’re doing whatever you do

    I plan to do that, but IDK if 24 hours is enough time? I'll do something tomorrow morning for sure but IDK if I'll have time to do both of these.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Alright, I must away. I've already voted so that's done.

    I'm sorry I didn't put all the posts about Eco/Grape in one post, but they're all pretty much in the last 100 posts or so so they shouldn't be hard to find.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    So, Grape's had Eco/Cantrip basically very low in his reads, but never really evaluating him, but despite being low in his reads also never suspecting him. All of his reads are colored by interactions with Proph (who is now cleared town) and are not evaluated on their own merits, but I don't think he gives the same treatment to Canrtip/Eco in that regard.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Eco's walls on Proph and me are fine. I just don't have the time to dig into them right now but like I can't point to any massive red flags at a glance. And his little back and forth with Wisp about my EoD1 feels natural-ish, but like he kind of has to be scum here I think. I'll try to get back into this a bit more in depth but today is a bit busy and with Proph now looking like he might actually be town the game kind of feels easy. Wisp is never scum so if Proph is legit then it's solved.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Grapefruit21
    Axelrod
    KJ
    Prophylaxis
    LastWhisper
    DOTArchon
    Ecophagy

    I'm town.

    Axel is never under pressure today. His ISO's have been pretty agendaless and have shown a sort of progression. It's lacking the curiosity that would lock the read in to ride or die but it's at the place where I wouldn't reevaluate him before a F3.

    Wisp is just a bit below this for me. He's been mostly himself bouncing around and inconsistent with reads. The only time where there was any whiff of an agenda was at the EoD1 but that's gone again D2 and I'm currently happy to slot him into town.

    Grapefruit21
    Axelrod

    LastWhisper
    KJ
    Prophylaxis
    DOTArchon
    Ecophagy

    Proph just keeps coming back to scum for me. There just is an undercurrent of agenda to a lot of what he's doing. The Osie clear and urging to reveal the identity. The utterly bizarre in retrospect scum read and reversal on DV. The super eager to kill me to being more or less fine with me on D2. The complete focus on Dota before the last couple of hours. Just feels like he's pushing the game where he wants it to be rather than following what he's reading.

    As a result I don't want Dota to die. Proph is absolutely trying to get him killed. He is clearly the dedicated condemn today and we should not kill him. He's been an absolute wet noodle but he's not scum with Proph and Proph is scum here.

    That leaves Eco and KJ. Going to sort them. Eco has made a good inital impression on me but not enough to really get anywhere yet. KJ deciding to try and push Wisp in his 1 active wolf 1 lurking wolf theory is definitely standing out to me right about now.

    Grapefruit21
    Axelrod

    LastWhisper
    DOTArchon


    Ecophagy
    KJ

    Prophylaxis

    Vote: Proph
    @Grape: Explain your sorting of Eco at this point please? You've had a short conversation with him at this point, as I've noted. What left a good impression? Why is he so low otherwise?
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Quote from Ecophagy »


    Proph I need your help here on LW. During my reread I was nodding along with your early mafia-read of him - I thought he was overly defensive, inconsistent, trying pretty hard to seem relaxed/detached, and spent a lot of time agreeing and voting with you despite reading you as mafia. I picked out #230 as a broad "let's look at the low posters" very soon after you cased him in #181. Even in D2 while there's been more engagement he's been holding back waiting for results of this "game" which I'm very unimpressed by because needing to wait for everyone to answer is a great way to stall out when you have lurkers.
    But, Proph, you've switched your read to pretty much ride or die town and I need you to help me because I don't get it. I get that you read him from a town mindset and it fit, and I can see some positives like it sounds like he's talking without a filter, and I think that his voting would be less erratic (or at least more tactical) if he was mafia. But I also feel like his votes have been pretty safe and he's tried quite hard to make sure we all know he's having trouble nailing down reads. So, uh, help please?

    I have a few qusetions about this Eco, first why did you specifically ask Proph for help reading Wisp? Just because of the fact that he changed his read? I get that you ask a couple questions to him here but it feels like you could ask anyone town reading Wisp. Second what is your actual read? Do you think it's Wisp/Dota? Or are you just not convinced on him one way or another yet?
    Here's the next interaction... gonna leave this here and evaluate it all at the same time I suppose.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    I mean we aren't cleared per say, but Grape/Proph/Wisp can only ever contain 0 or 1 wolf
    There's 5 people alive, yes? That means you guys double hammer me or Eco and win. Maj should be 3.
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  • posted a message on Mafia: Dominaria Style - The Power Nine (GAME OVER - THE TOWN WIN!)
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    Walls! Walls to read.

    Reading Axel's wall on me and it has reminded me that I need to go reread the end of day. Definitely joining the chorus that the change in opinion on me through the wall just feels incredibly natural. Especially since given my lack of cache Axel could just try to bury me here with little chance of blowback. If he was scum he is A in great position and B definitely does not need to defend me there. Doesn't even feel like he was trying to leave himself a back door to come back to me tomorrow while putting me on the backburner to focus on Dota or Eco toDay.

    Need to dive into Eco's entrance a bit deeper but I am trying to figure out the repeated interactions with Proph. The repeated invocation of playing devil's advocate just is pinging me. Proph is in the position of power here and I'm not sure why he's putting the WIFOM out there on his handling of Wisp and Eco's reaction to it. Feels overly defensive while still trying to maintain distance from his actions. Why is proph spilling wine about his own theoretical scum motivations here. Rather than just the more assertive tone he was using at EoD and garnering town reads from DV for, just feels wrong to me.

    Okay. I guess I can buy this? Just to play devil's advocate a little more, I'm not sure that I would leave Wisp on the mislunch table as scum given that I had quite a fair bit of pushback in the early game when I called him scum. I think I was the only player to actively scumread him at that stage. But fair, I can buy this line of reasoning.
    This is Grape's first real interaction with the slot in a while... and it's about how Proph is scummy?
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