@Proph:
1. Because I had no confidence in the high/low thing as an ACTUAL THING. It was more "this feels like this could be the case, lets assume it's true and see where it goes" and it turned out to not be a thing.
2.I believe it was because I disliked DotA's lack of really doing anything at all more than I disliked Cantrip's play. I think I made a post addressing that somewhere, and when I come across it during my towncase I'll make a note.
3. IIRC I was reading his ISO when I posted that first post, and then was asked by Wisp to ISO him officially? Yeah no in a post just before it I said I was rereading Osie. And I think I made the "Cross might be scum" post because I'd already finished reading his ISO and that was the conclusion I'd come to?
BTW Proph I fully expect you to troll spec chat all day. Just keep making posts about how it's obviously one of us or the other until the last moment.
Just keep them guessing.
And don't go back and read anything dead town have wrote, especially not Axel. He loves it when you don't read his posts after he dies.
Also it's very funny that I am now the person who decides the fate of the final MTGS Mafia game.
Been playing this stupid forum game since 2011 and it has shaped nearly a decade of my life. Feel honored to be given the chance to end it like this.
I find it funny that the final game will basically come down to whether or not I'm town, which seems to be usually the big question of most games I'm in.
i’m thinking i’ll give y’all ~24 hours or so to case each other/yourselves before i go through your iso’s and raise specific concerns i have with each of you
just don’t want to give whichever of you is the wolf a roadmap of how to bury the other and steer the conversation too much
but obviously i will also interject and pester you two with questions/concerns as you’re doing whatever you do
Alright, I must away. I've already voted so that's done.
I'm sorry I didn't put all the posts about Eco/Grape in one post, but they're all pretty much in the last 100 posts or so so they shouldn't be hard to find.
So, Grape's had Eco/Cantrip basically very low in his reads, but never really evaluating him, but despite being low in his reads also never suspecting him. All of his reads are colored by interactions with Proph (who is now cleared town) and are not evaluated on their own merits, but I don't think he gives the same treatment to Canrtip/Eco in that regard.
Eco's walls on Proph and me are fine. I just don't have the time to dig into them right now but like I can't point to any massive red flags at a glance. And his little back and forth with Wisp about my EoD1 feels natural-ish, but like he kind of has to be scum here I think. I'll try to get back into this a bit more in depth but today is a bit busy and with Proph now looking like he might actually be town the game kind of feels easy. Wisp is never scum so if Proph is legit then it's solved.
Axel is never under pressure today. His ISO's have been pretty agendaless and have shown a sort of progression. It's lacking the curiosity that would lock the read in to ride or die but it's at the place where I wouldn't reevaluate him before a F3.
Wisp is just a bit below this for me. He's been mostly himself bouncing around and inconsistent with reads. The only time where there was any whiff of an agenda was at the EoD1 but that's gone again D2 and I'm currently happy to slot him into town.
Grapefruit21
Axelrod
LastWhisper
KJ
Prophylaxis
DOTArchon
Ecophagy
Proph just keeps coming back to scum for me. There just is an undercurrent of agenda to a lot of what he's doing. The Osie clear and urging to reveal the identity. The utterly bizarre in retrospect scum read and reversal on DV. The super eager to kill me to being more or less fine with me on D2. The complete focus on Dota before the last couple of hours. Just feels like he's pushing the game where he wants it to be rather than following what he's reading.
As a result I don't want Dota to die. Proph is absolutely trying to get him killed. He is clearly the dedicated condemn today and we should not kill him. He's been an absolute wet noodle but he's not scum with Proph and Proph is scum here.
That leaves Eco and KJ. Going to sort them. Eco has made a good inital impression on me but not enough to really get anywhere yet. KJ deciding to try and push Wisp in his 1 active wolf 1 lurking wolf theory is definitely standing out to me right about now.
Grapefruit21
Axelrod
LastWhisper
DOTArchon
Ecophagy
KJ
Prophylaxis
Vote: Proph
@Grape: Explain your sorting of Eco at this point please? You've had a short conversation with him at this point, as I've noted. What left a good impression? Why is he so low otherwise?
Proph I need your help here on LW. During my reread I was nodding along with your early mafia-read of him - I thought he was overly defensive, inconsistent, trying pretty hard to seem relaxed/detached, and spent a lot of time agreeing and voting with you despite reading you as mafia. I picked out #230 as a broad "let's look at the low posters" very soon after you cased him in #181. Even in D2 while there's been more engagement he's been holding back waiting for results of this "game" which I'm very unimpressed by because needing to wait for everyone to answer is a great way to stall out when you have lurkers.
But, Proph, you've switched your read to pretty much ride or die town and I need you to help me because I don't get it. I get that you read him from a town mindset and it fit, and I can see some positives like it sounds like he's talking without a filter, and I think that his voting would be less erratic (or at least more tactical) if he was mafia. But I also feel like his votes have been pretty safe and he's tried quite hard to make sure we all know he's having trouble nailing down reads. So, uh, help please?
I have a few qusetions about this Eco, first why did you specifically ask Proph for help reading Wisp? Just because of the fact that he changed his read? I get that you ask a couple questions to him here but it feels like you could ask anyone town reading Wisp. Second what is your actual read? Do you think it's Wisp/Dota? Or are you just not convinced on him one way or another yet?
Here's the next interaction... gonna leave this here and evaluate it all at the same time I suppose.
Continuing my post.
@Proph:
1. Because I had no confidence in the high/low thing as an ACTUAL THING. It was more "this feels like this could be the case, lets assume it's true and see where it goes" and it turned out to not be a thing.
2.I believe it was because I disliked DotA's lack of really doing anything at all more than I disliked Cantrip's play. I think I made a post addressing that somewhere, and when I come across it during my towncase I'll make a note.
3. IIRC I was reading his ISO when I posted that first post, and then was asked by Wisp to ISO him officially? Yeah no in a post just before it I said I was rereading Osie. And I think I made the "Cross might be scum" post because I'd already finished reading his ISO and that was the conclusion I'd come to?
Ok I need to go to work but I've started my towncase
Just keep them guessing.
And don't go back and read anything dead town have wrote, especially not Axel. He loves it when you don't read his posts after he dies.
Also Proph, if you're slow rolling us for some reason...
We will have words! But not really, I wouldn't be THAT mad.
I look forward to hearing why you went this way.
I plan to do that, but IDK if 24 hours is enough time? I'll do something tomorrow morning for sure but IDK if I'll have time to do both of these.
I'm sorry I didn't put all the posts about Eco/Grape in one post, but they're all pretty much in the last 100 posts or so so they shouldn't be hard to find.