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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    I have things to say, but am currently too tied to save them. Will come back in the morning.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    I believe we're at:

    tomsloger (3): Axelrod, shadowlancerx, Cantripmancer
    Killjoy (4): tomsloger, Sir Chris, Lastwhisper, vezokpiraka

    Abstain (1): Killjoy
    I forgot I unvoted Tom earlier. I thought I was still voting him. Vote Tom
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    @Cantrip: I thought I alredy said all this... maybe I wasn't clear, or maybe I just didn't make a post I was going to or something.

    Cantrip makes tom very likely scum. I can't see an situation where he's not. Cantrip was not messed with last night, so his results should be accurate. Therefore tom is lying about his name. Why? Dunno. But he is. No reason for him to do that as town.

    It's probably not Cantrip because, while powerwolfing is possible, trying to powerwolf through two mislynches is VERY high risk. If for some reason tom talks himself out of being lynched before the game ends (entirely possible) or I just start spewing town (also possible, it's happened) and I become unlynchable somehow, then Cantrip is an outed wolf. Two-for-one or nothing is just never a good idea.

    I think, if tom is scum, shadow is his most likely partner. As of today, shadow's tone/stances are getting more passive than I'm used to from him. He really has no solid opinions, and his position on my/tom is kinda just "tom is mechanically the answer, Kj I'm not sure about" but throughout today he's been trying to pull back from tom, and subsequently onto me.

    See here:
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    @Axel: not to specifically shade Cantrip or Tom, but both are definitely more than capable of formulating a fake claim that is believable and elaborate.

    I am less than confident in a Tom lynch, but I don’t see a way to get past this gamestate without one.

    I’m interested in anything Tom has to say before we proceed, but otherwise I don’t think I have anything else for today.

    (A small part of me thinks that cantrip’s knowledge about flavor being relevant to abilities points to him being on a team with Az, or someone else with an ability that also cares being scum.)
    DOWN ARROW
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    I’ve been having second thoughts on Tom since y’all started pressuring him days ago, but he’s the simplest mechanical answer to what’s going on.

    I don’t like it, and I think it’s a miss, but I don’t have a good mechanical answer and he’s the default lynch tomorrow if we miss today.
    Since the start of the day, shadow hasn't really had a hard stance on tom. Behaviorally town, mechanically not. But in the second quote, he's having second thoughts on tom being scum, like that was a thing he had some kind of longstanding opinion on that changed. Unless he's doubting the mechanics that are making him likely scum, which really has nothing to do with tom. If tom is town, either me or Cantrip are lying. He didn't DO anything except claim that he was Infect. There's nothing to doubt about tom.

    It's almost like shadow is walking on eggshells trying not to get tom lynched, but not also trying to come off bad himself. He doesn't feel as uninhibited as he usually does here. Like, go reread his posts today and tell me I'm completely wrong.

    Now, second most likely is Chris. I had him as green in my wagon analysis because Grape tossed his second vote on him at the of that one day. That's not 100%, and the way he's been pushing me today has irked me.

    That said, there's a 0% chance scum aren't pushing me today (unless it's Cantrip, because he's busy pushing tom) so it's probably not Axel or Last. Last also seems to have become his old self again, so that's nice.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    So, I've been thinking about it.

    I don't think Cantrip is scum here. Scum Cantrip is sinking a lot of eggs into winning the game right now. After town Tom goes down, he goes after me which might be a thing but it's risky. It goes against the time honored scum tradition of keeping options open.

    Additionally on the Tom v Cantrip front, I think Tom is the more likely scum because I 1) do not think all three major washing yesterday were on town. and 2) I don't think my initial wagon was pure, and don't like his assertion that it was. The odds of all 7 people voting me being town are very low.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Unvote

    I'm trying to sort through what everyone's claims mean. Chris saying KCC successfully targeted Tom means that tom was not busdrove.
    So it's still possible that Cantrip is lying about the Not Infect result. But not likely. The only thing that doesn't make sense here is why tom is falseclaiming name here. It doesn't make sense if a namecop is in the game. Has there ever been a game where the scum get safeclaims that aren't safe, but aren't told that they're not safe?

    I need to compile claims and night actions to figure out what's going on here? I still think Cantrip going all in on lynching town tom is unlikely, but I'd like to think about it more.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Ok, gonna think this through some more.

    Cantrip has information that Tom is not Infect. Tom says he is Infect.
    Cantrip got more info last night confirming N1. However, Cantrip could not be ****ed with last night because of me. So unless there's a busdriver and they targetted tom two nights in a row, it's 100% that tom is lying. Bus driver isn't impossible, but I feel like assuming someone busdrove tom twice requires more assumptions than assuming that tom is just lying.


    @Shadow: You were hard townreading tom before today, right?
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Just realized why. Lol. NVM Chris.

    Ascetic is such a dumb role.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Chris: Why did you target KCC over me? There was a whole plan about me targeting Cantrip that really could have used a tracker.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Vote Tom
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Ok so Tom for sure lied. Sweet
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    My guess would be that slow means delayed.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    I decided to Target Cantrip. He was the only investigative. It was between that and holding again.

    Shadow: what's the point of that question?

    The question I want to ask is Tom: what'd you talk about?
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    @tom: What do you think of a Osie/Vaimes team?
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    Town usually isn't afraid of having their voting patterns checked later so they are more free to move their vote, but you"ve been extremely cautious about it and I don't like it. Especially from a player who snap voted in 3p LyLo.


    What game are you referring to with this?
    Wait, how am I scum, and Tom town? You literally said that 2248 was the tipping point, but you apperently didn't read it because I answered this in it?

    What even is going on here?
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Day 4: Fracturing Gust
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Hopefully that makes sense.

    If you're town, I think you made a decent decision in holding it.

    If you're scum, this is pretty well done.

    What were your initial feelings on the role when you read your PM?
    Well Like I said I initially misread the active part of my ability. But I was meh'd. I'm very unlikely to be a doc target so I didn't feel like it would be a big deal.

    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    Why hasn't targetting the claimed vig passed through your mind? Cantrip being immune to roleblocks and redirects would have been amazing.

    Also, people got mad cause you speedhammered in LyLo. That doesn't mean you never have to vote again.
    Feel free to read my rationale for not targeting anyone. Trying to say that retroactively my ability would have been a good idea isn't helpful.

    And I have been voting. I don't think I ever vote a lot in a game, actually. But I don't avoid voting.
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