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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Hm.

    Cantrip: You seemed to come up with something quick when I asked this. What do you make of Shadow refusing to try?
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    You wanna know a secret KJ? The fact that you’re actually pumping out some effort and really insistant on this is a good look. It’s why I’m still down for a no lynch and want to see where things sit tomorrow.
    Good. I'm still expecting an answer.
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Has* asking*
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    But if it's public info that only scum die to that, then why would I say that in thread?
    Because scum you made a mistake?

    @Cantrip: I’ve been considering it but I’m also still pretty content with the no lynch and compile everything tomorrow plan.
    Scum me had apparently made several mistakes is my point. Which is why I'm asking you to do what I'm doing you. I want you to draw a line from one scum thing to another and tell me where you think my head is at during it.
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Cantrip: I didn't interpret that as incredulity to no Lynch, but more incredulity towards people doing so much with a no Lynch in the table. He looks overwhelmed.

    What do you make of it?
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    But if it's public info that only scum die to that, then why would I say that in thread?
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Quote from Cantripmancer »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Do me a favor though @Shadow. Show me the mindset behind my posts that makes them scum and not just mistakes with no relevence to my alignment. I kinda feel like people are scumreading me for actions and not digging too deep into what I might be actually thinking.
    Do you specifically want Shadow to do this, or can I respond?
    I actually really want Shadow to do this. Because I feel like Shadow is possibly faking his scumread. After he responds I suppose is fine if you still feel the need. (BTW @Shadow, if you can't do it before deadline, feel free to take the Night. We're likely no-lynching so no rush. Tomorrow is when all the real discussion happens anyway.)
    Quote from KJ »
    Rhand might be town? After reexamining his posts, his progression seems the most natural. Also asking me if I'm drunk kinda says to me that he's trying to figure me out, and was confused at where my head could be at in that context.
    I don't see this as alignment indicative. Why is it unlikely that scum would ask that of you? (Also, I could see *me* saying something like that to a scumbuddy if said buddy came into the thread posting a little haphazardly like you did.)
    Hm. Maybe. That's just how I felt about it.
    I also have the benefit of knowing we're not scumbuddies.
    Quote from KJ »
    Anak's progression feels fine? I also kind of like 183.
    What did you like about it?
    It felt like a genuine statement.Pure.
    Quote from KJ »
    Cantrip is not actively scumreading me so he's for sure not one of the bandwagony weakreasoners.
    I may not be calling for your lynch, but that doesn't mean that I'm not scumreading you. I'm certainly raising an eyebrow at a good majority of your posts so far.
    Hence not actively. I'd assumed you were a little bit, but not to the tune that everyone else seems to be.
    Feel free to define your scumread of me so I can decide where you fit on that list though if I've underestimated that.
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Anyway, I've been theorizing lately that in a game this size scum likely can't split too much in reads, and therefore are both either scumreading me, or are at least semi neutral towards me. Scum can't trust town to lynch me without them. Hence why I was going to say something along the lines of "Osie is also town for limiting options with regards to my lynch" which at that point was a more substancial, mindset relevent reason than the effective toneread I was townreading him before. But then he made that post and it threw me, because he turned his read around in one post for what I feel to be weak reasons.


    I've always read the game as I wrote posts, so that argument is pretty silly. But if you want more reason for why you looked scummy...

    152: You're talking entirely on semantics and on taking worse interpretations of Cantrip's points. You're also trying to continue to argue a read based on what you say that you think someone is going to do in the future rather than primarily based on what they have done so far.

    163: You even accuse Cantrip of semantics over substance but then you continue on this not-quite-arguing the point with statements like "You overestimate my skills" and "I strongly dislike having to come up with strong reads less than 200 posts into the game. I'm not that good at mafia guys." Do you really have SUCH little confidence? Besides, look at the playerbase. I would bet that even if not everyone is willing to admit it, every single one of us has done some amount of "fake it till you make it" in regards to reads and play in mafia as either alignment.

    174: This feels pretty loose. You just name 2 possible worlds and then talk about why you don't agree with two others while still holding a scumread of sorts on two people, but they aren't scum together... It's rather shaky.

    176: You upheld your read on me here in response to what was pretty much Cantrip coaching you in 175. Not in a "I'm doing this anyways" but just a "meh." You then dropped that entirely and abruptly later on, though.

    And then we have after my read flipped. Your response is to read the thread based on who is on your wagon and handwave that me clearly going through your ISO while writing a post is just "weak reasons."
    Osie. I have a hard time believing you're scumreading me for these things, given you've been in games with me before and seen me make really bad, biasy scumreads in those games. One was on you, if you'll recall.

    So talk to me in the abstract about what you think my actual scumgame looks like, independent of this game. When you think "This is scum!KJ" what are you looking for?

    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    @KJ: I started scum reading you when you said “vigs shouldn’t shoot” because it felt like a slip, and then most of the things you’ve said and done pushed me more towards thinking you’re scum, including you Omgusing me for (imo) really groundless reasons. I will read your iso again sometime today if it makes you feel better.
    IIRC you're usually more vocal about your reasoning. Why have you not been this game?
    I don't want you to have to do a full ISO of me, but like you have bullet points on why I'm scum (Vigs shouldn't shoot, I'm gonna die tonight, etc) so I'd like you to answer that question starting at the first one and progressing to the last one. Where's my head at when I make those posts etc.
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    No I get it, the mistakes speak for themselves. It's just this mood I'm in recently.
    It's not mafia relevent, please ignore.

    Anyway, I've been theorizing lately that in a game this size scum likely can't split too much in reads, and therefore are both either scumreading me, or are at least semi neutral towards me. Scum can't trust town to lynch me without them. Hence why I was going to say something along the lines of "Osie is also town for limiting options with regards to my lynch" which at that point was a more substancial, mindset relevent reason than the effective toneread I was townreading him before. But then he made that post and it threw me, because he turned his read around in one post for what I feel to be weak reasons.

    Do me a favor though @Shadow. Show me the mindset behind my posts that makes them scum and not just mistakes with no relevence to my alignment. I kinda feel like people are scumreading me for actions and not digging too deep into what I might be actually thinking.

    LnGrrR I'm not satisfied has a read on me that progressed naturally. I do not recall him saying anything about his scumread on me except in his list. 181 feels like he just thought of those things when he made it and didn't take that into account when he started scumreading me.

    Rhand might be town? After reexamining his posts, his progression seems the most natural. Also asking me if I'm drunk kinda says to me that he's trying to figure me out, and was confused at where my head could be at in that context.

    Anak's progression feels fine? I also kind of like 183.

    You (Shadow) have seemingly no progression when you first mention it. Actually you never give any reasons. I'm assuming you're reason is just "he's been scummy". Is that not wrong?

    Cantrip is not actively scumreading me so he's for sure not one of the bandwagony weakreasoners.

    So in order from best to worst:

    Rhand
    Anak
    LnGrrR
    Osie
    Shadow.

    Cantrip
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    I'll respond to y'all after work today. I will say that everyone's gonna look pretty dumb when I eventually flip.
    This is such a silly attack. If you are town, you know that people get mislynched, and that’s a bummer, but it’s not because everyone is dumb. If you’re scum, it’s a great way to subtly hint that people should lynch you because of pride.
    I know people aren't dumb. I don't think people are. I'm just annoyed.

    Every now and then I play a game and get scum read for everything I do. I don't understand it.

    And it's not getting scum read in and of itself that's about, it's the thought that because of that, I feel like I'm being told "You're playing the game wrong".

    I don't think people will really understand this because this doesn't REALLY happen to other people, I don't think.
    It's not like it feels like people say "this is scum disguised as town" which would make sense coming from others but feels more like "this is just scum".

    Sorry. Rant over. Annoyed. Will be available after work for stuff.
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  • posted a message on Death in the Family - Day 2 - Together in Death
    I'll be back doing things after work.

    Osie, discuss the relationship between me and Grape.
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    I'll respond to y'all after work today. I will say that everyone's gonna look pretty dumb when I eventually flip.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    69 - It seems easier for him to scumread me here, the read has some subtlety, the "doesn't do improv" seems reasonable for Killjoy who doesn't really know my scumgame. A little concern because he townreads me so readily, but I'm not super opposed.

    I don't think that going against the no lynch was alignment indicative; too much wine.

    115 doesn't feel like a scum mislynch push. A little too genuine in feeling.

    The only posts that give me huge pause so far are 127+131; it feels like a potential scum disconnect followed by an attempt to save it.

    The flip onto Shadow is a little overwrought, though Killjoy does tend to be a bit that way as either alignment.

    Actually, I really don't like 152. His approach to these questions is slimy and disingenuous.

    Mechanics confusion and talk about specifically Rhand shooting him is tricky. It could be legit.

    Huh. Shoot. I think I'm scumreading him in place of Cantrip now. Cantrip's 172 and Killjoy's response in 174 are a much better look for Cantrip and a much worse look for Killjoy.

    Makes me feel significantly better about LnGrrrR too.

    Hmm...

    Shadow townie

    Cantrip townie?
    LnGrrrR townie?
    Rhand townie?

    Anak still not great for a lot of reasons, and 183 is another strike against him for me.
    Killjoy scum.

    Vote Killjoy (though still down for a no lynch otherwise.)
    Actually. I think this might be scum Osie. This feels more like he knows he can get the Lynch than him actively scumreading me.

    Damn it. I literally have no town reads now.
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    I was literally about to say that Osie was really town for staying off my wagon. I feel like scum in this game need to stick together die to small game size.

    Nevermind that then.
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  • posted a message on Death in the Family - Day 2 - Together in Death
    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    @Rodemy, like... 90% of Tom's posts? Where is the case on Tom? Show me Tom misrepping, or going after confirmed townies, etc etc
    FTR that's not how scumtom would really play the game, I don't think. Scumtom likes to do a lot of the thnigs town tom does, except he doesn't actually wanna solve the game, but wants to psudosolve and drive lynches. If you're looking for Rod to come up with this, it's gonna be either tom not actually doing that, or it's gonna be a huge stretch.

    Just my two cents here.


    But town Tom solves and drives lynches. So without flipped scum... how do you determine he is scum?

    You were one of the votes on that wagon who I am 99% sure is town. Convince me what makes him not town this game.
    On my next day off sure. Monday night perhaps.

    Wait, when's deadline?
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  • posted a message on Token Power Redux - trading in all my dollars
    He could be.
    He's been pretty town though, and handled the claim the same way I would have.
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