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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    @tom: What do you think of a Osie/Vaimes team?
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from osieorb18 »
    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    Town usually isn't afraid of having their voting patterns checked later so they are more free to move their vote, but you"ve been extremely cautious about it and I don't like it. Especially from a player who snap voted in 3p LyLo.


    What game are you referring to with this?
    Wait, how am I scum, and Tom town? You literally said that 2248 was the tipping point, but you apperently didn't read it because I answered this in it?

    What even is going on here?
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Hopefully that makes sense.

    If you're town, I think you made a decent decision in holding it.

    If you're scum, this is pretty well done.

    What were your initial feelings on the role when you read your PM?
    Well Like I said I initially misread the active part of my ability. But I was meh'd. I'm very unlikely to be a doc target so I didn't feel like it would be a big deal.

    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    Why hasn't targetting the claimed vig passed through your mind? Cantrip being immune to roleblocks and redirects would have been amazing.

    Also, people got mad cause you speedhammered in LyLo. That doesn't mean you never have to vote again.
    Feel free to read my rationale for not targeting anyone. Trying to say that retroactively my ability would have been a good idea isn't helpful.

    And I have been voting. I don't think I ever vote a lot in a game, actually. But I don't avoid voting.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    @KCC: This was before I really had a strong read on him. I was kinda townreading him on behavior except the terrible vote on my wagon. He was among the best analysts in the game as well, but I was kinda approaching it wrong. I had a "maybe if I protect tom from things, I can stop something maybe bad" but obviously that doesn't work. Like a lot of my thoughts that night involved my ability stopping kills too, which it doesn't. After I realized that, I rethought it a bit.

    This... isn't enough. You saw Tom as a good analyst who you were kinda townreading -okay. Did you consider anyone else? Who? Why? You said you rethought things after your realization -how so? Walk me through your process with baby steps.
    I considered tom first before I realized just how bad my role was. Like I had thought it could help tom if used on him. Then, I realized it hurts more than it helps, because it doesn't prevent kills, but does prevent things like protectives that DO protect against kills. It prevents roleblocks, which would help town in the short term, but then in the long term it hurts because it might waste shots of other people, not just protectives. Investigatives can waste their turns on them, X shot can potentially lose shots. It's really just... all bad.

    I'm just now as I'm writing this realizing that maybe I would claim who I targeted at that point. So that doesn't happen. IDK if this is smart but I'm a 'claim only when necessary' player but I guess it would be necessary at that point. That's the point when the detriment to the town outweighs the benefit of scum not being able to put the setup together quite as easily. And the possiblilty of town wasting shots/nights outweighs the benefit of scum wasting a roleblock or even a rolecop or something crazier. But most importantly, the detriment of protectives possibly correctly saving someone, but having it prevented outweighs... everything else.

    I know you haven't been here, KCC, but recently in post games I've been receiving some flak (understatement) for my play... most recently was the endgame of Death In The Family, where I basically speedhammered the last two town. People were like... really mad. I've decided to avoid that outcome if I can.

    I feel like you're looking for something like "I specifically considered Cantrip, but decided..." But that never happened. After I realized how bad my role was, I started looking at what could go wrong if I targeted people. Stopped docs on town, stopped investigatives on scum... it's just not worth it. Not unless there's a decent benefit. In most cases.... no.

    That brings me to Grape. His coroner shot I thought would help because scum already have a bunch of setup info in knowing all their own roles. I thought that:
    A) seeing Rhand + DKing's roles in the thread might help give some insight into what is all in this game. I'm terrible at setup gaming, but other's aren't. Maybe they can do something with it.
    B) Grape is an upper-mid tier player. I'd say B. Sometimes he's pretty good. Sometimes he tunnels/gets on his little crazy train. As such, I didn't think he was a high value doc target. Targeting him probably wouldn't have stopped a doc from saving him from scum killing him.

    He fit all the criteria that I was looking for. But then he got lynched and was scum. So go me and my scumreading abilities.

    Anyway, now it's back to no one being worth it to me. Hopefully that makes sense.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    @KCC: This was before I really had a strong read on him. I was kinda townreading him on behavior except the terrible vote on my wagon. He was among the best analysts in the game as well, but I was kinda approaching it wrong. I had a "maybe if I protect tom from things, I can stop something maybe bad" but obviously that doesn't work. Like a lot of my thoughts that night involved my ability stopping kills too, which it doesn't. After I realized that, I rethought it a bit.

    After that, I just couldn't really find a good target.

    @tom: I'll respond to ^^^^ tomorrow. I have work early in the morning and I'm tired.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    I've been really gun shy with my ability. I didn't want to stop protectives on town and didn't want to stop investigatives/roleblocks on scum.

    Hitting scum isn't worth it, as it doesn't disrupt them and otherwise doesn't do anything to directly hurt them. Hitting town isn't really worth it either, as it could just get them killed if protectives guess right.

    Could you go into more detail on your decision making process last Night after grape's flip?

    Did you consider anyone individually?
    Quote from Killjoy »
    I'm really just leaning to never using it ever.
    If you're town, that's not a bad idea
    Like I've said, I've been doing kind of cost benefit for everyone and the only person who's been worth it was Grape.

    Night one I considered Tom for a second but decided it wasn't worth it. I was town reading him back then.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from Killjoy »

    Vex: You said that I am unlikely to be scum, but I'm still on your scum picks. Explain plx.
    Appretnyl I typoed your name but I don't see an answer to this.

    This is why I'm questioning btw. Becasue you posted this:
    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    I've already read today and my super solid town read on tom has not budged.

    Someone redirecting cantrip to town makes so much more sense then tom faking his flavour for *****s and giggles.

    Although now that I see KJ's wagon analysis I kinda doubt you can actually be scun. How about we work together and find the scum instead of going after tom?
    Whhere you seem to be saying you don't think I'm scum but you're still pushing me.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Vezok: Are you really saying I have no reason to question your motives? Come on dude.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from vezokpiraka »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    I'm unsure if Vezok is tunneling or I'm just really wrong about him.

    If he's scum I guess I'll be 3/3 for townreading scum this game.


    Yes, I'm scum and pushed for two of my buddies day 1 and CC'ed scum's probably most powerful role just for funsies. Also stopped in my push for your head and Sir Chris' head to bus my other buddy because half the town was treating me as confirmed town and I needed more cred and then went back to trying to lynch my day 1 scumread, because I want this exact mislynch and not any other like tom. /s

    This is very obviously shading, but you haven't payed enough attention to the game to know that I am the moment the least likely person to be scum. Saying "vezok is scum" and giving no other reason except OMGUS is not how town think. This is not solving. This is scum trying to deflect as hard as possible in the hopes they get the mislynch on tom.
    I am townreading you, I made a whole post about it. But I'm pretty notoriously wrong a lot, as you've seen this game. You're just aggressively pushing me. Scum want to lynch me. Hence my questioning my read there.

    Don't pretend like you can't be scum. Like, only scum actually know your alignment. You being scum isn't impossible.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    I've been really gun shy with my ability. I didn't want to stop protectives on town and didn't want to stop investigatives/roleblocks on scum.

    Hitting scum isn't worth it, as it doesn't disrupt them and otherwise doesn't do anything to directly hurt them. Hitting town isn't really worth it either, as it could just get them killed if protectives guess right.

    I'm really just leaning to never using it ever.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    I'm unsure if Vezok is tunneling or I'm just really wrong about him.

    If he's scum I guess I'll be 3/3 for townreading scum this game.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Also my experiance with Ascetic isn't one that says d1 claims are necessary. I don't recall anyone else claiming D1 ever, and I was never Ascetic before.
    And how about after we saw multiple JoaT claims, any concerns that maybe you should warn people?
    No. I actually keep forgetting the passive part of my ability. I've been really focused on the active part, and how best to use that.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Ah ok. That makes sense I suppose.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    kcc: I didn't consider cantrip, no. I was more concerned with not stopping protectives. I was willing to target Grape just to make sure that coroner shot went though because that was all benefit. And Grape was very unlikely to be protected anyway, but very likely to be blocked.

    Also my experiance with Ascetic isn't one that says d1 claims are necessary. I don't recall anyone else claiming D1 ever, and I was never Ascetic before. The only role that claims D1 is Miller. I actually don't even remember LAst getting flak for not claiming in GoT.
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  • posted a message on Modern Mafia - Night 3: Choke
    Acetic means immune to non kills.

    It doesn't dodge vigs at all.
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