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  • posted a message on [M21] Mothership 6/15— Shrine tribal
    Quote from Jiyor »
    Sisay, Weatherlight Captain for Shrine-Tribal commander.

    But also I swear this really stupid. They gave a shrine lord a "when ability triggers" but then they give you two shrines with activated abilities, not triggered abilities. They need to errata that.


    8 out of 10 Shrines having triggered abilities is still very useful for the Shrine lords ability.
    Yeah 6/10s of that is Sultai that is doing the heavy lifting. Since they dediced to do activated abilities for the red and white one, they are litterally nonbos with their own lord. And the reasoning given was "we didn't want to repeat the same thing like the old shrines". So why not just make the white one have instead a "at the beginng of your upkeep, tap target creature with a converted mana of cost X or less, where X is the number of shrines you conrol" and also for the red one "at the beginning of your upkeep, you may discard a land card or shrine card. If you do, deal X damage to target creature or planeswalker, where X is equal to the number of Shrines you control."
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  • posted a message on [M21] Mothership 6/15— Shrine tribal
    Sisay, Weatherlight Captain for Shrine-Tribal commander.

    But also I swear this really stupid. They gave a shrine lord a "when ability triggers" but then they give you two shrines with activated abilities, not triggered abilities. They need to errata that.
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  • posted a message on [M21] Animal sanctuary rare land - Alayna Danner
    Needs more dragon, boar, monkey, rat, rabbit, and horse.
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  • posted a message on Don’t know if this is the right place to put this.
    Hey mods, would you care to move this thread to Talk & Entertainment? Clearly this has little bearing on MTG as a whole and more just as a way for people to in general talk about off topic things.
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  • posted a message on Don’t know if this is the right place to put this.
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    The reason I keep asking if you understood the context of my post is because I’m alluding to Breonna Taylor, a young black woman who was gunned down in her own home by plainclothes officers executing a no-knock warrant. Breonna Taylor didn’t get the benefit of a safe space where she could just stop being black long enough for a night’s sleep, let alone talk about fantasy card games. I get that this thread and this conversation is an obstacle to your escape from reality - whatever that might be - but it’s still absolutely critical that we have it, even here, on a random Magic forum.
    Which is sad, tragic, and unfortunate event to that person.

    As for the ‘tags,’ I obviously can’t speak for you, but: it’s simply no longer acceptable on our part to say “I don’t see color,” because that implies that the social and economic barriers people face on a daily basis don’t fundamentally shape their lives.
    Wrong. The hurdles in your life may shape you, but that does not ultimately define you.

    Simply put, if you don’t see a person’s color you utterly fail to recognize them as a human being. If you’re black and believe otherwise then I’d be very interested to hear why.
    Because Martin Luther King is still right in not seeing color, people who focus on it do not talk to the soul of the person they are merely talking first to the shell of that person. If they see a person murdered or their body, choosing to see their skin color first and focus on their skin first, they see the shell of that person first, not who they were as a person first.

    Treating people as people, treating them like how I wish to be treated with respect and kindness, matters more to me than treating another as another "[skin tone] person".

    I easily could consider myself a: black nonbinary asexual who is biromantic.

    But I don't wear those 'tags' as that isn't really helping me except for certain cliques and demographics. I know I could be considered very intelligent as a person, I don't treat myself as one though, as to consider it otherwise boosts my ego with undeserved pride and subjects myself to the folly that is the dunning-kreuger effect on matters I don't know or am barely knowledgeable in.
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  • posted a message on Don’t know if this is the right place to put this.
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
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    You’re fairly astute at linguistics, so I can only assume that your decision to say “I live below the poverty line” instead of “I’m black” was deliberate and purposeful. Did you catch the full context of my post?
    Because telling you my skin color instead only proves that I would've received brownie points for saying something that is topical and favorable of the current times. I want to be seen as a person, not as what the cover my book defines me as.



    That would be very PC of you to say, if we were still living in the ‘90s. No, indicating your skin color would have actually made your comment relevant to my post. Socioeconomic status correlates, certainly, but to assign yourself victimhood in a conversation about racism and then deliberately avoid the topic of race is... well, confusing to say the least. To infer anything else right now would come off accusatory, but I will say this: there’s a very good reason (several, actually) we still read To Kill a Mockingbird in public school, not the least of which is because so little has changed.


    If for whatever reason this is a sensitive subject for you, or I haven’t been appropriately empathetic, then I apologize. We can certainly continue this conversation by PM, if you prefer.
    Thank you for being more understanding. I personally believe that purposefully giving yourself 'tags' only hinders yourself in the long run. To shed as many of those 'tags' turns you into a better person that isn't defined to mere shallow words. A person's inner light, who they truly are, shines better when they are free of these things. I claim, as you put it, "victimhood" because I took offense to being called 'privileged' when I know my living situation is the opposite. As I believe we cannot truly be seen as people if we give ourselves 'tags' that allow others to easily categorize us and also make a common recurring situation "us vs them". You say its a PC thing of the 90s by avoiding using such things as race, but I believe it is foolish to be seen for only what you appear on the outside as we are all humans and as a collective we deserve better than infighting and hatred amongst ourselves.
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  • posted a message on Don’t know if this is the right place to put this.
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    You’re fairly astute at linguistics, so I can only assume that your decision to say “I live below the poverty line” instead of “I’m black” was deliberate and purposeful. Did you catch the full context of my post?
    Because telling you my skin color instead only proves that I would've received brownie points for saying something that is topical and favorable of the current times. I want to be seen as a person, not as what the cover my book defines me as.
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  • posted a message on Don’t know if this is the right place to put this.
    Quote from FlossedBeaver »
    As for escaping the political conversation, consider yourself blessed. Or privileged, or lucky, or whatever. You get to go home and sleep tonight without worrying about dying in your sleep from a no-knock warrant, a luxury not everyone gets - ask those people if they want to take a break from political conversation so we can fantasize about cardboard.
    Are you for real? I live below the poverty line. Don't preach to me about how lucky/blessed/privileged I am.
    Imagine for a moment what it would be like to never really get to escape those discussions or their ramifications. Your discomfort and frustration are valid, I hope they can serve as a gateway to empathy for people impacted by bigotry in the community.
    I have empathy for people. I don't have empathy for faceless corporations that shallowly pretend to care about you or try to be your friend.

    As for your last point about less younger people showing up, you can blame it on a "toxic culture", I blame it on how Wizard's is whale hunting and pricing out people who would be legit interested in their game. Other card games are on the market and they tend to be cheaper than what Wizards's offer. Also more kids are likely to play Pokemon or Yugioh or Legend of Runeterra because its bright and happy generally simpler to understand compared to MTG. Wizard's knows this to, they know that things like Hearthstone tend to attract a larger audience than the grungy and dark elements that the game was founded on.
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  • posted a message on Don’t know if this is the right place to put this.
    Quote from mikeyG »
    No, this does not make Elspeth a racist.
    But it does mean she is associated with a racist card which means public opinion can shift toward that character.

    You're missing the context that makes Crusade an issue is not just its name, but the intersection of its name and effect, a relationship that has been outlined a few times now. Crusade as a word has legitimate uses as well as uses that evoke a very specific meaning - the intersection of card name and ability draws the connotation too close to the specific (racially charged) meaning and away from the general (relatively neutral) definition.
    To exclude the other cards with the words Crusading, Crusader, or Crusade is wrong. As the word Crusade and Crusader are never being used for their secondary definition

    Crusader
    2. a person who campaigns vigorously for political, social, or religious change; a campaigner.
    "crusaders for early detection and treatment of mental illness"

    Crusade
    2.lead or take part in an energetic and organized campaign concerning a social, political, or religious issue.
    "he crusaded against gambling in the 1950s"

    They instead refer to a military expedition or a fighter within a crusade. Turns out most MTG cards with the aforementioned words fit the first definition instead because MTG is a game about two wizards/duelists/planeswalkers battling it out with spells and armies and wonderous artifacts.

    If you want evidence of the secondary definition in action, that is on Wizards own part and those around them that advocate the banning of perceived racist cards.
    Yes, these are symptoms of the larger issue of racism in the fandom. Not addressing it wasn't going to make it go away, and though I have my own issues with WotC's chosen direction, I ultimately think the conversation they started is a net benefit. In part because we can identify that people are profiteering off cards with racist connotations.
    The bigger issue is actually addressing those cards. By doing so they are now worth more because Wizards called attention to them and made a large deal out of it. Letting them fade into obscurity is actually better as nobody would have cared for these cards except for a small minority of the playerbase.

    To me its frankly disgusting how political discussion has seeped to the forefront of the game. I played MTG to escape it, not have it shoved in my face. In any other time prior to this event, this thread would be locked for being off topic when relating to a game for preadolescence/pre-teen/tween aka children. Oh and before that last bit is mistaken for "think of the children", no, the kids are plenty intelligent enough to make decisions on their own. My beef with it stems from how a toy company is making these sociopolitical statements for brownie points among the masses during a very emotionally charged time.
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  • posted a message on Don’t know if this is the right place to put this.
    At least scryfall is more classy with the way they handled the censor of the seven. Its basically a warning disclaimer and doesn't show up in normal searches except if you add "extras" to the search. Wizards method is heavy handed.

    While most cards are old and have never been reprinted, the main one that stands out is Crusade due it having multiple different artworks. As you have the Crusade artwork, the Angel version, and the Elspeth version. Yet they condemned all versions, including the Elspeth version, which means Elspeth is now associated with a wholly racist card, even on their own version. Which can mean by extension, one of wizards characters for marketing is now a racist and its not even lore reasons like Nissa Revane used to be.

    But the bus does not stop here the problem with the association of the word instead of the artwork also means by extension any card that mentions "Crusade" or "Crusader" or "Crusading" in its name or flavor text is possibly on the same chopping block by just mere extension. In name that is 22 cards, including Crusade itself. Checking flavor text, five cards are now caught by extension. These cards are Ill-Gotten Gains, Lowland Tracker, Kruin Striker, Reliquary Tower, and Sungrass Egg. This isn't slippery slope trap either. As by the reasoning for Crusade's banning is the context behind the word and less about the artwork. To exclude other cards that share the same word shows a questionable bias on Wizard's behalf.

    Their own announcement created a Streisand Effect with these seven cards among investors and players. Since these can't be obtained by Wizards affiliated websites like your Channel Fireball or Starcity Games or TCGPlayer, what they have done is created is a black market through eBay. And people are panick buying these. This isn't some random rambling either. When I go to sold listings for just "Crusade MTG" I see the most popular one being the Templar version, followed by the angel verison, and lastly the Elspeth verison. But its not just them, I see Cathars' Crusade, Phyrexian Crusader, White Shield Crusader, Stormfist Crusader, Mystic Crusader, Dralnu's Crusade, Tivadar's Crusade, Mirran Crusader. Oh and there is even starting to be combo packages like Bad Moon + Stone Throwing Devils + Crusade or Crusade + Proxy Invoke Prejudice. Like there is a 17.5k box of Legends who uses purposefully Invoke Prejudice and Cleanse in its listing just to potentially get a buyer.

    If you think about it, its crazy. Crazy how wizards helped create a black market of players, speculators, and collectors who speculate on the banned seven for their racism but also on unrelated cards because of being potentially racist. They condemn the cards with bannings and shouting to the rooftops of this racism, but they instead caused interest and a boom in sales in unsavory products.

    As the world outside is looking at us. These people who don't care about MTG or barely know of it as mere passing knowledge, are now paying attention to the collective of MTG's people and its company because of the game's racism. Not because they finally decided to have interest in the game itself. We are now being associated as part of "that game with racist cards that got banned".
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  • posted a message on [M21] Finishing Blow— Goodgame preview
    Its a step in the right direction to making planeswalker removal more common place.
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  • posted a message on [M21] Hooded Blightfang
    Where was this a year ago when I was trying to make Deathtouch Tribal in standard work?
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  • posted a message on [M21] Kaervek, the Spiteful— The Magic Arcanum preview
    Based on the power level of the other Jamuraa legends, Barrin will probably be a blue Gray Ogre with "At your end step, if you returned a permanent to your hand, draw a card."
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  • posted a message on [M21] Kaervek, the Spiteful— The Magic Arcanum preview
    I expected nothing for Kaervek, and I'm still let down.
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