Proliferate land is pretty good, but not busted. Will definitely try it out in phyrexia's core spot though. Not digging WAR Karn. Pretty good as an SB card but kind of slows us down even further. Sure it can get SB cards but casting DOM Karn was always a chore at 4 mana and we're pretty much guaranteed to almost never use that +1 ever (niche case animating an animation module as an extra attacker?) I'd consider it if I had whir in my meta though.
Agree on the mana efficiency honestly I hope modern horizons shakes this deck up in a way with cards that will spread the curve. 2 drops slot is really dense and it feels bad having a hand clogged with overseer, ravager, throne, and ballista/hangarback.
Also really sold on llanowar reborn, it makes mediocre hands ok and nut hands nuttier. 2 is the correct number to play I think. Still don't see the value in gavony township and am currently trying caverns. I think it's a better "do nothing land" than core or township but I've yet to test extensively.
Recently went 3-1 with this deck too, meta was pretty varied though and I took a good beating from storm (i wonder why) Really looking forward to piloting this deck more as it seems fun but am just contemplating on the correct splash for now. Have you been running the stock list @Stille_Nacht?
Steel overseer the land is definitely powerful but I really can't remember the times I would ever reach 5 mana with this deck. Are there any clips of the matches or has anyone playtested with gavony yet?
Man discussion on HSA is pretty dead...really tempting to think it's a flash in the pan when suddenly two copies popped up in a GP top 8. Maybe not a lot of pros push it? The results don't really pair up well with the talk about the deck in any case.
Anyway, can argue that overseer is better than mimic, the grindy pace of the deck doesn't match well with the velocity mimic provides and although it can have some nut plays in theory...overseer can grind out better since it can buff manlands and is a better clock.
Been testing with llanowar reborn recently to see it's about. I used to be a doubter but it's a free counter that can set up busted plays and can really grind out with animation module and throne for recurring board presence.
The problem with oran-rief is that it can't make mana when you need the counter and vice-versa. Honestly hate having to see this too early or too late. It's really just a card choice from the pase when HSA was too early to have a good stock list and could really be dropped moving forward...
Soooo how's this deck doing? Just recently got into it again after not playing for a couple of months, hope it's not a flash in the pan lol.It isn't dead but there's not much discussion for the new stock lists in the current meta.
What's the consensus on new stock lists and the some oddball stuff on the recent top 8 lists like:
Llanowar reborn
Gemstone Caverns
Mimic vs Overseer
Llanowar reborn is such a headscratcher because new lists run 2-3 and it's seems awfully slow but a lot of people swear by it, how good is G: graft 1 really?
Also really sold on llanowar reborn, it makes mediocre hands ok and nut hands nuttier. 2 is the correct number to play I think. Still don't see the value in gavony township and am currently trying caverns. I think it's a better "do nothing land" than core or township but I've yet to test extensively.
Recently went 3-1 with this deck too, meta was pretty varied though and I took a good beating from storm (i wonder why) Really looking forward to piloting this deck more as it seems fun but am just contemplating on the correct splash for now. Have you been running the stock list @Stille_Nacht?
Anyway, can argue that overseer is better than mimic, the grindy pace of the deck doesn't match well with the velocity mimic provides and although it can have some nut plays in theory...overseer can grind out better since it can buff manlands and is a better clock.
Been testing with llanowar reborn recently to see it's about. I used to be a doubter but it's a free counter that can set up busted plays and can really grind out with animation module and throne for recurring board presence.
The problem with oran-rief is that it can't make mana when you need the counter and vice-versa. Honestly hate having to see this too early or too late. It's really just a card choice from the pase when HSA was too early to have a good stock list and could really be dropped moving forward...
What's the consensus on new stock lists and the some oddball stuff on the recent top 8 lists like:
Llanowar reborn
Gemstone Caverns
Mimic vs Overseer
Llanowar reborn is such a headscratcher because new lists run 2-3 and it's seems awfully slow but a lot of people swear by it, how good is G: graft 1 really?