Pretty sure Cross is at L-1, so we should be careful with our votes.
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When I'm reading your posts, I see a lot of myself in them. Old me who asked a lot of questions that perhaps I didn't think about in too much depth first. It's unlike you.
I'll shoot you a question then - when was the last time you have played with town Prophylaxis? Can't imagine any meta on me would very useful given that my last town game on MTGS was literally five years ago, if I remember correctly.
I'm reasonably confident that there are two scum in those 4 btw. Based on how worthless 99% of the reads on me have been, I think I've managed successfully to draw
both scum to voting my slot.
Drop the faux anger and actually talk about the reads instead of strawmaning them.
Got side tracked feel decently confidant KJ is town.
Axel seems decently town to me at this point.
Really still eating away at the Crossbell response to me where I pointed out that the read was weak and so I suspected scum adhoc making up a reason to town read someone. Crossbell's response "I'm more tricky than that."
Like no you're not. You're either town with a weak read or scum with a weak read.
Basically I'm asking did you flip heads or tails. And Cross's response is "Heads, but I'm tricky". Great.
Hey DV, I'd like to know why you think Crossbell potentially has inside info for what is obviously a reaction to Proph's play? That post is obviously "Proph is town [based on something unsaid as of yet] but you jumped straight to inside info/discrediting. What gives there?
When I'm scum I typically throw out some town reads and I've observed almost all scum to do so. They know X person is town, and thus get there through incredibly weak reads. Its not an inside read as Proph seemed to suggest based upon some setup knowledge its literal scum inside info knowing that a person is town.
I guess you could call it a scum slip, but its not really that its more of a scum supposition.
Sure, but I'm not that predictable, lmao.
I mean there is really only two ways to play scum.
You either lock in reads and don't shift.
Or you waffle hard and leave every possible out you can to jump onto a wagon.
Yes you can color in between, but its really one of these two extremes. You can't outplay this inevitability.
Meh?
Also, would you say this applies to any alignment? Also calling my reads weak is a pretty surface-level attack. I might even call it a "weak read."
Calling someone's reads surface level is not a surface level attack. Its a pertinent attack. Cross isn't even denying that their reads are surface level, its just a straight up a strawman argument mixed with a what aboutism.
@DV how did you arrive your two groups? How much of it just scum reads versus partner worldbuilding? Your stance on me seems to have worsened on basically nothing as far as I can see.
I hadn't said anything about Grape at all prior to my posting of my semi sorting hat. I'm not exactly sure what to make of the question Grape is asking. Going to have to do some thinking on Grape tonight. Like his big post, don't like this question he made.
Dota seems like Low Hanging Fruit to me. Strongly oppose that elim right now.
Hey DV, I'd like to know why you think Crossbell potentially has inside info for what is obviously a reaction to Proph's play? That post is obviously "Proph is town [based on something unsaid as of yet] but you jumped straight to inside info/discrediting. What gives there?
When I'm scum I typically throw out some town reads and I've observed almost all scum to do so. They know X person is town, and thus get there through incredibly weak reads. Its not an inside read as Proph seemed to suggest based upon some setup knowledge its literal scum inside info knowing that a person is town.
I guess you could call it a scum slip, but its not really that its more of a scum supposition.
Sure, but I'm not that predictable, lmao.
I mean there is really only two ways to play scum.
You either lock in reads and don't shift.
Or you waffle hard and leave every possible out you can to jump onto a wagon.
Yes you can color in between, but its really one of these two extremes. You can't outplay this inevitability.
Why does you hating reading DV automatically equivocate to a scumlean? Is it because he's been so vocal in pushing for Crossbell, one of your ostensibly stronger townreads?
Hey man when you gotta look for an excuse to scum read me this is how you do it.
Really? I thought it would make more sense to make something up about your mother and father.
I mean, make something up about your mouthy blather. Sorry about that.
Why does you hating reading DV automatically equivocate to a scumlean? Is it because he's been so vocal in pushing for Crossbell, one of your ostensibly stronger townreads?
Hey man when you gotta look for an excuse to scum read me this is how you do it.
Hey DV, I'd like to know why you think Crossbell potentially has inside info for what is obviously a reaction to Proph's play? That post is obviously "Proph is town [based on something unsaid as of yet] but you jumped straight to inside info/discrediting. What gives there?
When I'm scum I typically throw out some town reads and I've observed almost all scum to do so. They know X person is town, and thus get there through incredibly weak reads. Its not an inside read as Proph seemed to suggest based upon some setup knowledge its literal scum inside info knowing that a person is town.
I guess you could call it a scum slip, but its not really that its more of a scum supposition.
It's not that it's energetic, it's that it doesn't feel like he's forcing the anger in his soul.
This is a severe misunderstanding of my scum rage game play. Typically as scum I argue about pendantic ***** to appear playing the game and then get annoyed by players ignoring my correct statements.
Its likely hard for players to seperate that from my town game play, because my town play focused on specific things but for me it was always with a purpose. Maybe not a purpose that other players understood, but a purpose none the less. Largely my town reads/gameplay in the last 5(? more maybe) years hyper evolved into me taking an active role to get players to respond to me to see these specific things/meta reads and that turned into me largely bullying people/becoming more toxic as I took the game too seriously.
My scum games I'd just get mad because people would say that something I did was a scum tell or something really dumb and then I'd just use that as a cover for my aimlessness which is in my opinion always been my biggest scum tell. Really though what I'm trying to get across is that it wasn't fake, it was always anger misplaced as it may have been.
Anyways I'm off to bed gotta get up so I can wear a full suit tomorrow in 100 degree weather in a courtroom that I'm 90% sure doesn't have AC. Lucky me.
Anyways Crossbell is trying way to hard to sort people off of really minor things IMO, it reads as scummy to me because its agenda driven when it is this weak, town shouldn't be pushing like this early on.
To call my very casual defense of wisp as a "hard defense" is such a massive mischaracterization I don't see how it can come from a town mind. Confirm vote I feel comfortable with this.
What even is this post?
Recognizes Osie is saying OMGUS, goes IDK man, but doesn't say anything more than that.
Then uses some large of law numbers fallacy to suggest KJ rolled scum.
Drop the faux anger and actually talk about the reads instead of strawmaning them.
Thx.
Axel seems decently town to me at this point.
Really still eating away at the Crossbell response to me where I pointed out that the read was weak and so I suspected scum adhoc making up a reason to town read someone. Crossbell's response "I'm more tricky than that."
Like no you're not. You're either town with a weak read or scum with a weak read.
Basically I'm asking did you flip heads or tails. And Cross's response is "Heads, but I'm tricky". Great.
Also in response to this
Vote Crossbell
Who said I had?
I hadn't said anything about Grape at all prior to my posting of my semi sorting hat. I'm not exactly sure what to make of the question Grape is asking. Going to have to do some thinking on Grape tonight. Like his big post, don't like this question he made.
Dota seems like Low Hanging Fruit to me. Strongly oppose that elim right now.
Waiting Room for Axel to say anything about another players alignment that is actual anylsis.
Vote Axelrod
0 - 1 scum exists in
Axel, Wisp, Proph, Crossbell
0 - 2 scum exist in
Dota, KJ, Grape and Cantrip
Conclusion Dota, KJ, Grape and Cantrip are a better place to vote out right now. Not sure where to point though.
No but I've got a slight suspicion he is trying to pocket me.
I mean there is really only two ways to play scum.
You either lock in reads and don't shift.
Or you waffle hard and leave every possible out you can to jump onto a wagon.
Yes you can color in between, but its really one of these two extremes. You can't outplay this inevitability.
Hey man when you gotta look for an excuse to scum read me this is how you do it.
When I'm scum I typically throw out some town reads and I've observed almost all scum to do so. They know X person is town, and thus get there through incredibly weak reads. Its not an inside read as Proph seemed to suggest based upon some setup knowledge its literal scum inside info knowing that a person is town.
I guess you could call it a scum slip, but its not really that its more of a scum supposition.
This is a severe misunderstanding of my scum rage game play. Typically as scum I argue about pendantic ***** to appear playing the game and then get annoyed by players ignoring my correct statements.
Its likely hard for players to seperate that from my town game play, because my town play focused on specific things but for me it was always with a purpose. Maybe not a purpose that other players understood, but a purpose none the less. Largely my town reads/gameplay in the last 5(? more maybe) years hyper evolved into me taking an active role to get players to respond to me to see these specific things/meta reads and that turned into me largely bullying people/becoming more toxic as I took the game too seriously.
My scum games I'd just get mad because people would say that something I did was a scum tell or something really dumb and then I'd just use that as a cover for my aimlessness which is in my opinion always been my biggest scum tell. Really though what I'm trying to get across is that it wasn't fake, it was always anger misplaced as it may have been.