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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    ambiguity not ambitiousness LOL autocorrect.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Responding to KA because I think its productive.

    I think what you are saying is fair.

    I perceive it that way for a certain reason. Let me try and explain.

    Take for example this disagreement between ETR and myself. It seems that you are at least somewhat understanding. However, I feel as though you are purposefully coming down on the side against me. Now maybe this is because you think I'm scummy, IDK.

    But I think his ambitiousness of how he worded his is a lot worse then mine. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to even get to mine being ambiguous. I know I'm right on the English part, but even ignoring that I feel like you almost have to be arguing in a strange way. I understand your argument, I disagree clearly for a variety of reasons, but fundamentally you make a jump that I just don't get and it feels prejudice. You make the claim that my argument against him for ambiguity is silly, yet side with him against me.

    If you wanted to argue that they were both sort of silly I might even be hard pressed to argue with you. But its just if mine is unreasonable, and I've explained why I've come to that his is EXTREMELY unreasonable. His is ambiguity that he claims just doesn't make any sense contextually, how he is posting his responses, really in anyway. So it just seems two faced to me. It seems as though you're like **** DV, but this guy that is doing worse yeah he's cool.

    It just seems prejudicial if that isn't the case I'm sorry for accusing you. If you want to tell me from your heart of hearts that this isn't the case I'll believe you and we can move on. It just seems like you are hellbent on saying anything I do is *****, and ignoring the same behavior from others.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Just to further this,

    What about being an idiom specifically annoys me about this argument.

    What about is modifying the rest of the sentence.

    For example webster gives the example

    What about the meeting?

    My usage was

    What about the claimed roles can't exist together?
    What about (Subject) (modifier to the question)?

    I'm just a little lost for words. I really don't know if English isn't your first language. This is pretty typical talk for people and I can't imagine anyone on the street being confused by this statement. Yet, here we are. If I need to explain this to you fine, I can I will, I really don't mind if this is honest disagreement or misunderstanding or what ever. If you truthfully don't understand I can work with that.

    But that does not appear to be the case to me. So, I'm sorry if it is and I will gladly work with you, but otherwise just stop.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Furthermore,

    Specifically "What About" is an idiom.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/what about

    There is just no contextual way to interpret what I've said with the secondary meaning. And to pretend otherwise is just facetious.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    D_V's attack on ETR is unreasonable. "Role" is commonly used to include flavor.

    And though I don't think it's super important, I can see what ETR is saying with the question being ambiguous.

    D_V: you are asking: "What [is it] about the claimed roles [that would make it so that they] can't exist together?" In other words: "why don't you think those roles can exist together?"
    ETR is pointing out that it can be filled in differently: "What about [the fact that] the claimed roles can't exist together?" In other words: "this is a reminder that the claimed roles can't exist together."

    Tubba: Disagree on the neutral read with EOD2. Two reasons. One, Neutrals almost always have survival as an explicit or implicit win condition. EOD2 doesn't match with someone who needs to live. Yes, he got away with it this time, but barely. Two, neutrals rarely want to muddy the water. Neutrals often want to maintain mystery about themselves, but they don't want to arbitrarily generate confusion for the town; that just leads to a mafia win.

    The only reason for a neutral to push specifically in that direction is if they're, like, an SK and are worried that the town is doing too well to the point of killing *all* the mafia, and even then the SK is often fine with it (since it means they don't have to worry about getting randomly NK'ed).

    God damnit I said I was going to take a break but I don't want this to sit two days without responding to it.

    I understand the argument about role. However, to me I would argue when you take the time to specify out the word flavor the first time, saying claimed role means that it is different. Any drafter of any legal document would approach it this way, you've given a definition then use another term in the next sentence to mean the same thing? Its just poor writing.
    If that is the case then I'll rescind the argument, like I kind of came to the conclusion in 1882. But to me that just is really poor writing, and it doesn't make any sense. I agree with role being used synonymously I just feel like when you specify flavor then say claimed role that means doctor and JOAT.

    With the sentence structure. No, you're just wrong. This one is going to drive me nuts.

    There is nothing ambiguous about the wording. With your additive sure you are right. But this wasn't an additive sentence. I'm asking what ABOUT the claimed roles can't exist together. Its not what is it about its what about. These are entirely different sentence structures.

    Additionally, I find this argument by you lacking. I'd point to the fact that I continually asked this question. He dodged the question multiple times. He then pretended like it wasn't a question. Look, I get that you hate me KA. I get you don't like my post style. But please don't take his side on this. You knew what I was asking and don't say you didn't, cause you are just lying to yourself.

    And finally,
    This was the original question by me.

    Quote from D_V »
    Quote from EtR »
    As far as not answering your question - You're question has been answered multiple times. Flavor is the dichotomy between you and ZD. I don't believe that your claimed roles will be aligned on the same team.

    Flavor?

    What the ****? What flavor dichotomy? There isn't any flavor dichotomy between us. Explain.

    Claimed roles can't be on the same team? Explain. What?

    Claimed roles can't be on the same team? Explain. Clearly indicates what I was talking about. I just find your argument facetious, degrading to me and just stoking the flames. Please read the game in the entirety, you've taken this out of context, and written in a way I clearly never intended for it to be. And I truly think you've done so, because of your distaste for me.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Just for the record.

    I get HR, I think he is genuine and believes what he is saying. I think he's wrong and bad, but I see genuine belief.

    I don't understand the fundamental reasons behind ETR's arguments. ETR is wanting to get into a myopic argument about grammar, I don't understand the purpose. Its just a dick measuring contest, now I have to reason if this is just a personal flaw or scum covering up these pushes. I don't understand how this makes me scum, someone should question him on this.

    I'm taking a break cya in 2 days.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Quote from D_V »
    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Quote from tomsloger »
    @tubba
    Having just read DV attacking etr for... uh... having consensus reads i guess?
    Thinking about him attacking you in playstation for... i mean exactly the opposite
    I dont know what my question is here maybe i just wanted to shade DV
    Idk is it real?

    It’s a play style. I responded immaturely and didn’t think it through at the time properly. I view it now as kind of a “scorched earth” policy. Rattle everyone’s tree and see what falls down. I thought he was scum in PlayStation because of it, but I just wanted him to be. I think D_V is at best neutral this game. PlayStation D_V was abrasive and aggressive, but pursued things while doing so. Ghostbusters D_V seems like they’re just discrediting others without having a direction to take the game. Town D_V should be dragging us kicking and screaming somewhere? I don’t know.

    TBH I'm slightly lost this game.

    PlayStation was me slightly being on fire.

    But how the hell do you get off saying I'm discrediting people when ETR has constantly resorted to calling my posts "Incoherent"


    I was asked about you, and provided my interpretation of the information I have. I have pointed out EtR’s willingness to keep himself open to move in any direction in a previous post.
    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Quote from D_V »
    Quote from Tubba Fett »
    Quote from tomsloger »
    @tubba
    Having just read DV attacking etr for... uh... having consensus reads i guess?
    Thinking about him attacking you in playstation for... i mean exactly the opposite
    I dont know what my question is here maybe i just wanted to shade DV
    Idk is it real?

    It’s a play style. I responded immaturely and didn’t think it through at the time properly. I view it now as kind of a “scorched earth” policy. Rattle everyone’s tree and see what falls down. I thought he was scum in PlayStation because of it, but I just wanted him to be. I think D_V is at best neutral this game. PlayStation D_V was abrasive and aggressive, but pursued things while doing so. Ghostbusters D_V seems like they’re just discrediting others without having a direction to take the game. Town D_V should be dragging us kicking and screaming somewhere? I don’t know.

    TBH I'm slightly lost this game.

    PlayStation was me slightly being on fire.

    But how the hell do you get off saying I'm discrediting people when ETR has constantly resorted to calling my posts "Incoherent"


    I was asked about you, and provided my interpretation of the information I have. I have pointed out EtR’s willingness to keep himself open to move in any direction in a previous post.

    I understand this, I was just trying to explain more. I don't think you're really wrong with your analysis.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Quote from EtR »
    The actual first word in my quote is FLAVOR. Like, what are you even doing?

    So, the only reason you think we can't exist is because of a flavor reason, not a claimed roles reason.

    Flavor is the dichotomy between you and ZD. I don't believe that your claimed roles will be aligned on the same team.


    Because what this says, is that you think flavor is a dichotomy(OK I understand that). But also that you think CLAIMED ROLES can't be aligned on the same team. This states that doctor and Joat can't be on the same team. Unless you are saying that the claimed roles are the flavor claims?

    But you pointed here
    It doesn't make any sense in my mind to have those two on the same team. And since neither one of you (I assume) are using a fake claim (because the fake claims this far have been simple claims) I think that you are a non-aligned pair.

    That the roles don't make sense, not the flavor. Unless you are simply trying to argue that the flavor is legit, but the flavor can't exist together? Is that it?
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    ten·ta·tive

    not certain or fixed; provisional.

    done without confidence; hesitant.

    That's a perfectly acceptable word to use. I'm sorry you don't understand the English language.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    But fundamentally there is no way that you thought I was restating your position.

    All of them are questions at the end of the day. So I know you are just doing this to be an ass.

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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Quote from EtR »
    Let me help you understand the ways your sentence can be broken down:
    WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
    WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?
    WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIMED ROLES CAN'T EXIST TOGETHER?

    That's three wildly different interpretations of your one sentence. Stupid


    Its literally all three.

    Its the exact same outcome.

    I'm asking What about the claimed roles can't exist together.

    Punctuation doesn't change any of this. You really don't understand the language if you think it does. That is no ambiguity in any of the three interpretations. There is literally no other way to interpret this.

    There is one subject and one modifier. I get that you're an ass and you think you're being clever, but you're not. If you want to go through those three examples you gave and explain how there is ambiguity and how each is a different question feel free to do so. But there isn't. And I'm giving that my drafting guarantee. There is nothing ambiguous about that question.

    Furthermore there isn't any need for punctuation with that question. I'm sorry there just isn't. You're implying that if spoken the emphasis would be on different parts of the sentence you're right, but there isn't any ambiguity with doing so.
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Quote from EtR »
    I don't believe that Gozer and the Marshmallow Man are going to exist on the same team. I already said that.

    That is a flavor claim.

    That isn't, what you claimed.

    You said, and I quote

    Flavor is the dichotomy between you and ZD. I don't believe that your claimed roles will be aligned on the same team.


    Which in the English language, means that you not only think that there is a flavor problem, but also a claimed role problem.

    Now to help you understand what you are doing wrong when someone makes an argument. They typically, make a claim and then support that claim with evidence. So, please argue for me, why a doctor and a Joat can not be on the same team.

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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Quote from EtR »
    Maybe if you used some punctuation or something it would help?

    Oh please, just tell me your original language.

    The isn't any way that you thought that wasn't a question.

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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Quote from EtR »
    It doesn't make any sense in my mind to have those two on the same team. And since neither one of you (I assume) are using a fake claim (because the fake claims this far have been simple claims) I think that you are a non-aligned pair.


    How?

    I have claimed a Joat, he has claimed a doctor.

    What about those claims are not able to be on the same team?
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  • posted a message on Ghostbusters Mafia - Day 3: He *Was* the Keymaster
    Quote from EtR »
    Because I went back and demonstrated that you had a full 50% of the players as scum within 200 posts. I’ve gone back and made cases on people I thought were scummy. Everything you’re attempting to put on me right now is what you’re doing. And the only reason I haven’t switched my vote to you is FUWA was scummier than Elijah so you can thank your preseason for that.

    I'd also like to ask you why you made this post.

    When you scum read 8 other players.

    But since I think the first question was much more on a basic level and you didn't understand that, I don't really know how to communicate this much more complex question.

    Can you tell me what your original language is so I can communicate my questions to you in that language so that you can understand me and not call me incoherent.

    Thank you.
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