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The Limited Archetypes of Dominaria
  • posted a message on [[Primer]] [Traditional Commander] Kaalia of the Vast
    Well, I am here again, I have been playing Kaalia for a year now, I 1v1 its nuts but in multi I have 0% winrate in 4 ppl table and a low winrate in 3ppl table.

    I am trying a new approach to the deck and I want to know your insights.

    Challenges to solve:

    1. My playgroup focus on me since I am shuffling Kaalia, one of the players has actually said that every time I polay Kaalia he will be focusing all his attacks at me from turn zero so it is not a perception.

    2. We 'agreed' not play fast combos, so a deck can have some kind of combo but cannot be built only to go fo the combo (I am not interested either in mardu combo anyway)

    Because of point No. 1 this is what happens most of the time.

    a. At turn 3-4 I start getting attacked by each player (Unless someone is in a very fast aggro deck the first attack wont came up until T3)

    b. If I have the mana to cast Kaalia everyone will save the mana and answers for her to counter/kill/control even if there are 5 8/8 dinosaurs in the table.

    So, my very first challenge seems to be surviving the early focus, in that case I added Ghostly Prison, Windborn muse, No mercy and Magus of the moat (Cheaper version of moat)

    I put some early creatures like Baneslayer angel and Bloodgift demon for utility and survival , because I am the focus of every single attack I have Blinding angel to at least be able to skip one of my opponents.

    Because of point B, I need to prevent or punish people for playing in my turn so I have Defense grid and Price of glory to make them think twice, I also have Grand abolisher.

    Because of point B is rarely the occasion of me casting Kaalia freely and attacking, people saves their reponses and mana for her, so I want two things now, I want for my opponents to have no lands and no hand. For those purposes I have Sire of insanity and Oppression and because lands are silly I also have Desolation.

    Untapping more than 2 lands a turn is just to OP for our opponents so lets remember the Starks and play Winter orb

    Because creatures attacking us are worthless I have Damnation and Wrath of god, just 2 boardwipes yes.

    Kaalia wants to see all the world burn, so I packed Armageddon , catastrophe and Cataclysm (if I ever get a ravages of war it will be swapped for this) also our opponents does not need those mana rocks, so I have also a Vandablast

    Because we do want to play lands I have Crucible of worlds

    For spot removal I have, Return to dust, Path to exile, Swords to plowshares, Vindicate and wear/tear.

    We need some counterspells so I have Apostle's blessing and faith's shield to help save our people dodge those nasty removals, I also have Silence because it works as a preemptive counterspell, if I want to cast a geddon then I can spare the extra mana to shut down the answers

    For protection I packed 2 pair of boots (Swiftfoot boots and lighning greaves) and a Whispersilk cloack

    Kaalia likes to feel pretty, so I have a Quicksilver amulet just for her, cheating our stuff for 4 mana, not that bad anyway

    I need cards, I am not in blue, but we have some options read the bones, dragon mage, harvester of souls, bloodgift demon, phyrexian arena, Solemn simulacrum (I count him as a rock and a card draw). Yes Necropotence is missing I have the card, but by turn 6-8 I am at 10 life because of the aggro I get so in this very first build of 'pillowfort Kaalia' I will try it without it, then if I see my plan worked and I can get to turn 6-9 with 15+ life then Ill add necropotence

    I have 12 mana rocks (14 if I count solemn simulacrum and dark ritual as mana rocks) because I need to be able to ramp as hell, start hardcasting some dudes or wiping the world and having the mana to play my stuff

    The big dudes:

    Because at some point it will be time for Kaalia to get revenge this is my prime team:

    Hellkite tyrant: or also know as 'All your base are belong to us'

    Kokusho, the evening star: This card normaly is bad, but because is just cost 6 it is hardcastable, and if he dies to removal or blocking something important I will get 15 life gain while each my opponents loses 5, so... good deal.

    Harvester of souls: Good blocker, and card draw

    Sire of insanity: who needs cards? I am happy topdecking are you not? well, sorry then because for Kaalia is super important that she can attack and nobody cast any shennanigan.

    Master of cruelties: Is a bad card for multiplayer, but one of my opponents hate this guy a lot, and is one of the reasons he focus on me, so I will play this guy and save it just for him.

    Iona, shield of emeria: She is great, but I have never ever played her and have her last for an entire table turn, so unless your opponents are all playing a monocolored deck, the fear is not justifiable.

    Rakdos the defiler: Annihilator 50%, yes please

    Utvara hellkite: I know she is bad, but Kaalia is just fond of her, and I love to see her play with a couple dozen dragons

    Steel hellkite: boardwipes, more boardwipes!!!

    Gisela, blade of goldnight: Whats better than opponents taking damage? taking double damage, and whats better than that? well they taking double damage and us taking half damage off course

    I will try her in my next EDH session, I would love to read your comments and toughs about this strategy or approach, will it work? what would you change? are those rocks enough? tha card draw can be better?

    And the most important question, do you think I will be able to stand a 3:1 with this strategy?


    This is the complete decklist if you want to see it

    DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
    1x Apostle's Blessing
    1x Arid Mesa
    1x Armageddon
    1x Avacyn, Angel of Hope
    1x Balefire Dragon
    1x Baneslayer Angel
    1x Battlefield Forge
    1x Blackcleave Cliffs
    1x Blinding Angel
    1x Blood Crypt
    1x Bloodgift Demon
    1x Bloodstained Mire
    1x Bojuka Bog
    1x Boros Signet
    1x Cataclysm
    1x Catastrophe
    1x Cavern of Souls
    1x Caves of Koilos
    1x Chrome Mox
    1x City of Brass
    1x Clifftop Retreat
    1x Command Tower
    1x Commander's Sphere
    1x Crucible of Worlds
    1x Damnation
    1x Dark Ritual
    1x Defense Grid
    1x Desolation
    1x Dragon Mage
    1x Dragon Tempest
    1x Dragonskull Summit
    1x Earnest Fellowship
    1x Faith's Shield
    1x Faithless Looting
    1x Ghostly Prison
    1x Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
    1x Grand Abolisher
    1x Hall of the Bandit Lord
    1x Harvester of Souls
    1x Hellkite Tyrant
    1x Homeward Path
    1x Iona, Shield of Emeria
    1x Jeweled Amulet
    1x Kaalia of the Vast
    1x Kokusho, the Evening Star
    1x Lightning Greaves
    1x Lotus Petal
    1x Magus of the Moat
    1x Mana Vault
    1x Master of Cruelties
    1x Mimic Vat
    1x Mother of Runes
    2x Mountain
    1x No Mercy
    1x Oppression
    1x Orzhov Signet
    1x Path to Exile
    1x Phyrexian Arena
    8x Plains
    1x Price of Glory
    1x Quicksilver Amulet
    1x Rakdos Carnarium
    1x Rakdos Signet
    1x Rakdos the Defiler
    1x Read the Bones
    1x Return to Dust
    1x Reverberate
    1x Rugged Prairie
    1x Rune-Scarred Demon
    1x Sacred Foundry
    1x Silence
    1x Sire Of Insanity
    1x Sol Ring
    1x Solemn Simulacrum
    1x Steel Hellkite
    1x Sulfurous Springs
    3x Swamp
    1x Swiftfoot Boots
    1x Swords to Plowshares
    1x Talisman of Indulgence
    1x Tectonic Edge
    1x Thran Dynamo
    1x Utvara Hellkite
    1x Vandalblast
    1x Vindicate
    1x Wear / Tear
    1x Whispersilk Cloak
    1x Windborn Muse
    1x Winter Orb
    1x Wrath of God


    Link to deck @ TappedOut.net


    Posted in: 1 vs 1 Traditional Commander
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from Jusstice »
    Quote from Alexev »
    I just wish WoTc starts reprinting all those staplets we need to build our decks.
    Fun fact, you don't "need" any card in all of your decks - at all.

    I'd even go as far as saying so called staples are the bane of the format. We're playing a 100 cards singleton format, yet people waste 20 or so nonland slots on the same stuff over and over again, instead of tailoring individual decks around their commanders and deck tech.
    No, not all decks need Vedalken Orrery, Maze of Ith, Ancient Tomb or even the omni-present Sol Ring. Yep, even mono-U is still viable without Cyclonic Rift and Rhystic Study - which i bought as a playset for 1€ each back in the days and cut from all but one of my decks and traded away recently.

    If i had to make a wish for the format i'd wish for a revival of creativity. At times i'm tired of these copy and paste deck lists, where i can guess 80% of the deck. There are memorable moments created by fun interactions of wellknown cards, but they are by far outclassed by fun - and not necessaruly weaker - interactions of cards you don't see as often, simply because they have a unique synergy within a certain deck. Idk, but Zada, Hedron Grinder + Otherworldly Outburst or Chaos Warp in response to a board wipe makes me a lot happier than the next best guy Tooth and Nailing into Craterhoof Behemoth + Avenger of Zendikar.


    You know what I hate even worse than the same old cards? Missing every land drop after Turn 4… Not being able to cast cards half the time I draw them, just because they have a double or triple requirement of one color mana… Playing Brawl when everyone else is playing EDH…

    Those are the kinds of staples we’re talking about – Chromatic Lantern, Rhystic Study, Land Tax so on. They help you draw into your deck and play your cards. I think that everyone is in on the same page that Craterhoof doesn’t go into every deck just for the sake of boredom, but hey, Oracle of Mul Daya does and it is $30.

    The problem is, design understandably went astray a few times over the 25 year history of the game, and once you open Pandora’s box you can’t shut it again. So, there are several cards that just wildly outperform any substitutes, and then you lump enough of them together and you are just playing a different game than everyone else. One kind of deck is on enough draw, ramp and tutors that it is looping Venser into Nim Deathmantle or something, and at the same point in the game another kind of deck is just hoping to draw its 5th land so it can cast something like Vanquisher’s Banner so that it can reach a draw pace where it’s not missing even more land drops.

    As I’ve said before when giving input on decks, the rule set of drawing a 7 card opener and playing mana from your hand simply does not match a format where you need this much mana. One of the reasons that EDH continues to be played to satisfaction is precisely because there are enough worn-out staples in the Eternal card pool that just give you endless amounts of gas. Playing without them is too tough of a sell.



    I was going to answer this exact post with mostly the same answer, I have been in the situation where I had 4 lands at turn 8 and 1 rock, when I play 36 lands and 10 rocks, so cards like Land tax are a must, since I play it and Tithe I have not been in that awkward situation anymore
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from Outcryqq »
    Quote from Alexev »

    Now, please tell me which good replacements you have for Rhystic study, help me think out of the box

    Mystic Remora is a pretty decent replacement in a pinch.


    No is not, it is a good card but it is not 10% as good as Rhystic

    1st. Your opponent needs to cast a non-creature spell, so you won't be getting cards for creature spells

    2nd. The cumulative upkeep is a real downer, you would not have it (normaly) for more than 2 turns, we are playing control, we need the mana to cast the cards, so we can't just pay 3,4,5,6 mana for the upkeep

    To abuse the remora you need sheninanigans like Sun titan or Solemnity or other stuff while rhystic does all the work by itself

    I am not saying the card is bad, the card IS GOOD, I just say that it is not near to be a replacement for rhystic study
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    That would be an aweful decision. You can't complain about card shortage and EDH demand driving prices then hoard said cards in return... you'd become part of the problem, while asking for others to be part of the solution chrissake.
    Even worse if they'd sit in your binder for later decks. While you might've saved some money at the time, if everyone would do the same the price spiral would be even worse.

    Stop playing Magic: The Investment, people.
    Plus, try to think outside of the box every now and then. Thank you.


    I may have misunderstood your statement and if I did my apologies, if not, this is my answer

    I am not an investor, I have never ever bought a single card looking for a profit and I prefer to buy before trade because I just don't like to get rid of my cards even if they have seen little o no play.

    Everyone plays this format for different reasons, some people like you wants to build wacky decks with filler cards like Glory seeker and thats great, somepople likes this format because they can play with banned cards like Sensei's divining top and some people like me likes the format because it allows us to play strategies that we like but they are weak in other formats or we just don't have the tools (legal cards) to play them.

    So, I love Land Tax because if an opponent outplays me and win that's great, I can learn from the loss, I can try to improve but if I loss because mana screw (I just don't play green) then the feeling is not that great.

    In other formats we (control players) don't have tools to make our game solid against other gamestyles, Rhystic study is great and helps us with card advantage, in EDH we need to came on top of 3 players, not 1 so one for one trade is not enough and for that we need raw power card draw.

    Now, please tell me which good replacements you have for Rhystic study, help me think out of the box

    I own all the cards I am complaining about, so is not for lack of accessibility to me that I argue that should be reprinted
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from Parax »


    vedalken orrery is expensive because of the command zone pod cast. they have over hyped this card.



    This, I love the show, the quality of their podcast is priceless, but is true that Josh has advocated in every single episode about how great vedalken is and how he have one in every single one of his decks
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from MRdown2urth »
    Good points: Manalith is not going to eat removal as a rock.


    As I said, I will give you 4 awesome manalith for a single awful chromatic lantern, came on, take the deal and dodge that removal, I will also throw you a Darksteel ingot 5 awesome cards for a single one of yours
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from Lithl »
    Quote from MRdown2urth »
    No, we don’t. Manalith costs one nickel and one dime and does mostly the same thing.
    No, Manalith does not do "mostly the same thing" as Chromatic Lantern. 3 mana tapping for any color is a long distance away from doing that and making every single land you control do that (including lands that normally don't tap for any mana at all).


    I was about to answer the same thing, if you think Manalith is the same I will trade you a set of manaliths for a single chromatic lantern
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from Forgotten One »
    I agree that WotC needs to continue to find ways to reprint Commander staples in order to not “price out” new Commander players, but they already know this and they are trying to do exactly what you are asking for. Commander Anthology is exactly the kind of thing that you are looking for. The issue is that the demand for certain Commander cards will still outpace supply, and I don’t think that WotC will ever truly catch up with every card.


    Wel, they could sell 3.99 bucks EDH booster with commander cards, a set NOT for drafting just to reprint stuff that is not legal in other formats.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from MRdown2urth »
    Ha, I just checked, and I got my Chromatic Lantern for $1.57! Yep, they should ban all staples. Then we'll really have to adapt!


    It is absurd, we need cards like the lantern, and we need it as accessible as they can be, it has no sense for the lantern to cost 19 bucks
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from MRdown2urth »
    Alexev, it sounds like you dislike land engines in EDH...let's just say Flagstones was a couple bucks back in the day. All of those cards were much cheaper when I started EDH (around ZEN block). I'm also not going to pretend Thought Vessel is the staple you think it is...the only EDH cards every (multicolored) deck should have are Sol Ring, Command Tower, and Ash Barrens. All $3 or less! All other cards are just win-more. =P

    Here's a list of some nonbasics I am glad that I have:


    I also have almost all those lands , I bought ryptide lab in may 2017 at 6.51, now it cost 17 bucks and that is because EDH, all I am saying is that those stapelets and good EDH cards should be reprinted. I love land engines in EDH and I have spent a lot of money in lands, I don-t talk much about lands because WotC is reluctant to reprint powerfull lands

    I bought in the same date as ryptic (may 2017) Maze of ith at 8 bucks, now it cost 30, really? came on, is another card that needs massive reprints
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from MRdown2urth »
    I love these topics every now and then, so I can say "OH MY GOD WHEN DID MOX DIAMOND GET SO HIGH?!?"

    EDIT: I'll add that the flip side is cards I could/should have picked up a while ago (say, Flagstones and Crucible) are now at awful prices.


    Is not about the legacy prices, Is perfectly reasonable that ABU duals cost 100 bucks and will be costing more as year pass until WotC get rid of the reserved list.

    So, Moxes are expensive and allways have been, it is not the nature of this topic, this topic is about cards that used to be cheap (in terms of magic wich is 2-10 bucks) and now costs 20+ bucks because of ... reasons.

    So what I said is, that WotC sould reprint masively the stapelets we need (not the moxes, not the duals, not the feches) but it is unreasonable that Cyclonic rift is at 10, vedalken orrery at 22, Chromatic lantern an 19, etc, etc.

    WotC should reprint and make accesible the cards we need to play and I am not talking about powerfull stuff, do not reprint Jitte, do not reprint top, but came on Thought vessel is at 7-8 dollars!!! is a common a 2cmc mana rock that is played because of the 'no maximun hand size' wich is great, but came on is a common that can only be played in commander so whats the problem in its massive reprint?
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from cml73264 »
    I keep a select couple dozen cards in sleeves and top loaders that are expensive and/or get used in several decks. I use a proxy in the relevant decks and just drop the top loader card if it gets played. (Also can't get mixed up in your deck that way.) I have all 10 fetches, a few dual lands, crypt, moxes (chrome and diamond variety), wheel of fortune, stuff like that. I have a mana crypt and mana drain...I am not paying for 4+ copies for multiple decks.

    I do try to either buy the cards or just go without them for anything less then 10-15 bucks though. Prices have indeed risen across the board quickly in the past year.


    I understand, and my complaint is not about the prices of mana crypt ABU Duals and so, I just say that a lot of staplets that costed jus a few bucks last year now are really expensive, WotC should reprint massively in the next C18 and C19 the staplets we need before we end up paying 50 bucks for a chromatic lantern or an orrery
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Quote from JDviant »
    If you have the money to spend 4x on a card that maybe you'll use in the future that's great. But if you're spending $20 on four copies of a card and three of those are just sitting in a binder then I see it as $15 you could have used in the actual deck your building right now. If budget is an issue you can always just swap cards between decks.


    Yes but now, I want an extra orrery and I will have to pay 20 bucks for that card or swap, but because I will be building another deck where 20% of the cards are the same of the other, I prefer to have multiple copies instead of striping my old deck
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on How EDH has afected the card price
    Today I was thinking in my next EDH deck, probably would go esper, so I was searching for the cards I wanted to have extra copies and got to the awful surpreise that the prices has elevated a LOT

    I bought my Rhystic study for 7 dollars, now it cost 13-15 , I bought my chromatic lantern at 9 dollars on May 17, 2017 (I am seeing the order at amazon) and now it costs 18.50, Vedalken orrery went from 5 bucks last year to 22!! came on!!!

    And they are just a few I notice but there are a lot

    I am happy that EDH is having more love and more players, I just wish WoTc starts reprinting all those staplets we need to build our decks.

    At least I learned something, I remember a chapter in the CommandZone podcast where JOsh said that when he buy cards for a commander deck, he usually buys 4 or more, because he knows if he thought it is a worthy card then he would be wanting more copies. I should have bought 4 orrerys, now I know, and I will be purchasing all my cards 4+
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Does solemnity and glacial chasm worth the slot?
    Quote from Taleran »
    You could add Decree of Silence to up the Solemnity interactions in the deck


    That is just a sweet lock, I would use it but I dont have a boat and I dont want to be swiming in a sea of tears when I play EDH
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
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