I play a Orzhov Human Aristocrats Deck in modern, and have two copies of him in the Maindeck. In 90% of the time I just win the game when he hits the table.
this is my actual list for BW Aristocrats in modern. What do you guys think of it? Any recommendations for improving it?
In the Sideboard I’m testing Fourth Bridge Prawler. In some matchups they are better then fatal push. More synergy with the deck, perfect for killing mana dorks:
Priest is nuts if u can untapp with her. She is a creature based removal, mana ramp and draw and drain. Before priest on this slot were wall of omens or Bobs. But the priest is better in aristocrats. If she gets killed u can get her back with return.
Unearth could work if u play with some good 3-drops. But u have to be careful then if u have too many non-creature spells (if u play a PS of recursion spells too for example).
But it’s a way to accelerate the deck. But I think stitcher suplier into return to the ranks on turn 3,4 is better than unearth
I think i’m going to cut the bloodthrone for carrion feeder. It seems stronger (lower curve and it’s a “must deal with” card after a few sac’s; also u have a higher chance of sac-outlet into tidehollow). Another upgrade would be cutting the caves of koilos for silent clearing‘s.
The perilous myr’s are only for fun (because I want only creatures in the deck besides lands and return; but that’s a personal taste and a “style-thing”). I wanted a two mana creature based removal. They are getting a little stronger because of more 1 mana sac outlets. I think in general fatal push is stronger; on the other hand u have much more synergy with the rest of the deck and u can get them back with return.
But I have no time for testing at the moment because i’m on a long vacation
I don’t recommend creatures like horgaak: u have only supplier to fill up the graveyard. The bridge decks are way faster with that (looting, more fetch-lands and so on).
The power of aristocrats is based on many small creatures that synergies very well together (sac outlets, sac-fodder and drainers) and big recursion spell like rally or return. Hogaak needs more build-around and the bridge decks are the perfect shell i think...
Yawgmoth looks like a very strong card (sac-outlet, disruption against creature decks and card draw), but he seems a bit too slow and it‘s tough to get him back with rally. I think he is worth testing...
Yeah perhaps a Build with memnites, ornithopter und stitxhers suplier, return to the Ranks. U could in Theorie do busted things in turn 2, memnites etc for mana for return. And cabal starts on turn 2.
I‘m going to test giver of runes. I think the card is good against midrange and aggro Decks because u have more time to Build up your board. What is your opinion on this card
What do u guys think about the New cards in modern Horizons. There are a few that are fine for Aristocrats decks:
1. Yawgmoth - very good sac outlet. Perhaps too Slow with 4 cmc. Against creature based decks just insane i think
2. Vesperlark - flexible card, reanimate the card u need
3. unearth - stitchers suplier into reanimate 3 drops on turn 2 + another one drop Sounds strong
4. carrion feeder - in my opinion a better sac outlet than cartel Aristocrat or bloodthrone vampire.
I think u underestimate Priest of forgotten gods a lot. I Play a modern BW Aristocrats Version and he won me many games.
He does everything the Deck wants: sac Outlet, Card draw, Mana ramp, drain and disruption all in one card... he is better than a dark confidant on this spot (from modern perspective)
So I would definitely recommend a full PlaySet in any BW Standard list
Yeah they are not fast. But I think in a human version with champion of the parish and Thalias leautenant the sinergy could be good enough. And fiend hunter hits everything and with rally he could come back for value again. I played a human shell with teysa, orzhov scion and with doomed travelers and hunted witness and the rest black creatures, that was drain fun and removal option
in my local meta many dudes are playing hardened scales and UW Control and Jund Decks. The hexmage kills planeswalkers (Liliana the last Hope is brutal against me, the hexmage helps here) and is good against arcbound, balista and hangarback walkers.
The judges are good against combo decks like storm, ad neuseam and good against UW Control. Also they are very nice in combination with Thalia.
As i mentioned before: my goal is that the sideboard is 100% creatures, because of synergy and style... but I found no replacement for fatal push (just too strong on the removal part)
—> perhaps somebody has an idea here for a good creature based removal?!
I tested the High Priest. I felt it was too slow. Perhaps replace them with fiend Hunter (u can do the sac trick with the hunter like sculler). And don’t underestimate the power of recursion spells like Ranks or Rally. I would add these cards and delete the path. Lingering souls could be replaced with more humans like zulaport or thalias Lieutenant to get more synergy. Souls dont have synergy with rally (if u would dedice to Play that).
No recursion spells could be ok if u decide to do more beat down than drain.
I personaly like more the drain kill Plan of Aristocrats. Your Deck is something between drain and beat down.
That sounds good
Yeah i‘m thinking about to cut the tidehollow scullers for the new Cruel Celebrant. The idea of 12 drainers is very spicy. And i think 12 of them are realy strong if u...
1. don’t cut sacrifice fodder
2. don’t cut the sac Outlet
Because u want many dudes to sac if u have multiple drainers in the mainboard.
So i think celebrant vs sculler the upsides are:
1. more drain/Aristocrats power
2. better in the mainboard versus Burn and aggro Decks like humans/elves etc (there u are in chump Block mode
Downsides:
1. Aristocrats decks are weak against combo. The Sculler reduced the weakness. With no scullers in the main against decks like ad neuseam or storm etc. u are going to have big problems
2. viscera seer into sculler sac is a nice Opening. U loose that
I think it’s about personal taste. I would not recommend to cut the Priest (my experiences with the Card are awesome)
Overall u could say that celebrant vs sculler the Problematic matchs are going to be even more problematic and the good matchups are going to be more easy. Perhaps the downside could be a little compensated because faster kills are possible
he is much better than expected in my deck
this is my actual list for BW Aristocrats in modern. What do you guys think of it? Any recommendations for improving it?
In the Sideboard I’m testing Fourth Bridge Prawler. In some matchups they are better then fatal push. More synergy with the deck, perfect for killing mana dorks:
BW Aristocrats modern
4 Doomed Traveler
4 Stitchers Suplier
3 Viscera Seer
3 Carrion Feeder
2 Hunted Witness
4 Blood Artist
4 Cruel Celebrant
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Priest of forgotten Gods
4 Lingering Souls
4 Return to the Ranks
4 Coincealed Courtyard
4 Godless Shrine
4 Marsh Flats
1 Caves of Koilos
2 Silent Clearing
3 Plain
2 Swamp
Sideboard
4 Fourth Bridge Prowler
3 Leonin Relic-Warder
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Judge‘s Familiar
2 Orzhov Charm
Unearth could work if u play with some good 3-drops. But u have to be careful then if u have too many non-creature spells (if u play a PS of recursion spells too for example).
But it’s a way to accelerate the deck. But I think stitcher suplier into return to the ranks on turn 3,4 is better than unearth
yeah i think BW has all the tools that u need for an Aristocrats deck. My actual list is this here:
B/W Aristocrats
4 Viscera Seer
4 Doomed Traveler
4 Stitchers Suplier
2 Hunted Witness
4 Blood Artist
4 Cruel Celebrant
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Priest of Forgotten Gods
2 Bloodthrone Vampire
4 Lingering Souls
4 Return to the Ranks
4 Coincealed Courtyard
4 Godless Shrine
4 Marsh Flats
3 Caves of Koilos
3 Plain
2 Swamp
Sideboard
4 Perilous Myr
3 Leonin Relic-Warder
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Judge‘s Familiar
3 Burrenton Forge-Tender
I think i’m going to cut the bloodthrone for carrion feeder. It seems stronger (lower curve and it’s a “must deal with” card after a few sac’s; also u have a higher chance of sac-outlet into tidehollow). Another upgrade would be cutting the caves of koilos for silent clearing‘s.
The perilous myr’s are only for fun (because I want only creatures in the deck besides lands and return; but that’s a personal taste and a “style-thing”). I wanted a two mana creature based removal. They are getting a little stronger because of more 1 mana sac outlets. I think in general fatal push is stronger; on the other hand u have much more synergy with the rest of the deck and u can get them back with return.
But I have no time for testing at the moment because i’m on a long vacation
I don’t recommend creatures like horgaak: u have only supplier to fill up the graveyard. The bridge decks are way faster with that (looting, more fetch-lands and so on).
The power of aristocrats is based on many small creatures that synergies very well together (sac outlets, sac-fodder and drainers) and big recursion spell like rally or return. Hogaak needs more build-around and the bridge decks are the perfect shell i think...
Yawgmoth looks like a very strong card (sac-outlet, disruption against creature decks and card draw), but he seems a bit too slow and it‘s tough to get him back with rally. I think he is worth testing...
I‘m going to test giver of runes. I think the card is good against midrange and aggro Decks because u have more time to Build up your board. What is your opinion on this card
1. Yawgmoth - very good sac outlet. Perhaps too Slow with 4 cmc. Against creature based decks just insane i think
2. Vesperlark - flexible card, reanimate the card u need
3. unearth - stitchers suplier into reanimate 3 drops on turn 2 + another one drop Sounds strong
4. carrion feeder - in my opinion a better sac outlet than cartel Aristocrat or bloodthrone vampire.
What u guys think? I‘m talking about pure modern
He does everything the Deck wants: sac Outlet, Card draw, Mana ramp, drain and disruption all in one card... he is better than a dark confidant on this spot (from modern perspective)
So I would definitely recommend a full PlaySet in any BW Standard list
in my local meta many dudes are playing hardened scales and UW Control and Jund Decks. The hexmage kills planeswalkers (Liliana the last Hope is brutal against me, the hexmage helps here) and is good against arcbound, balista and hangarback walkers.
The judges are good against combo decks like storm, ad neuseam and good against UW Control. Also they are very nice in combination with Thalia.
As i mentioned before: my goal is that the sideboard is 100% creatures, because of synergy and style... but I found no replacement for fatal push (just too strong on the removal part)
—> perhaps somebody has an idea here for a good creature based removal?!
No recursion spells could be ok if u decide to do more beat down than drain.
I personaly like more the drain kill Plan of Aristocrats. Your Deck is something between drain and beat down.
That sounds good
Yeah i‘m thinking about to cut the tidehollow scullers for the new Cruel Celebrant. The idea of 12 drainers is very spicy. And i think 12 of them are realy strong if u...
1. don’t cut sacrifice fodder
2. don’t cut the sac Outlet
Because u want many dudes to sac if u have multiple drainers in the mainboard.
So i think celebrant vs sculler the upsides are:
1. more drain/Aristocrats power
2. better in the mainboard versus Burn and aggro Decks like humans/elves etc (there u are in chump Block mode
Downsides:
1. Aristocrats decks are weak against combo. The Sculler reduced the weakness. With no scullers in the main against decks like ad neuseam or storm etc. u are going to have big problems
2. viscera seer into sculler sac is a nice Opening. U loose that
I think it’s about personal taste. I would not recommend to cut the Priest (my experiences with the Card are awesome)
Overall u could say that celebrant vs sculler the Problematic matchs are going to be even more problematic and the good matchups are going to be more easy. Perhaps the downside could be a little compensated because faster kills are possible
Return to the ranks is better in the early/midgame than rally. Turn 3 kills are possibly with return, not with rally.
Perhaps u add perilous myr. With heartless summonning u shock something for zero mana and it has synergy with myr retriever
And falkenrath noble could be nice there. He survives the summoning and then drains for every creature that dies...
Keep brewing dude. Don’t know how good aristocrats with heartless summoning is but it seems fun and interesting