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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Hahaha. He never does. I feel so sorry for you right now.
    Quote from Manders »
    Quote from Seppel »
    I know what his abilities are anyway, so I'll drop it.

    In the meantime, can you guys start coming up with optimal empowerment targets?
    Cythare needs 2.
    I need 5.
    Cyan needs 4 (as 2 seems like a waste)
    Shadow needs 2 or 4
    Axel could use 2.

    I feel they should be fulfilled in that order, but of course not everyone else will.


    I'll gift my 3 empowerment to one of them. Perhaps an interpretive dance will help me decide.
    Quote from tomsloger »
    cyth needs 2
    shadow needs 2
    i need 0
    seppel needs to be able to prove his ability, but no one has claimed a passive anyway afaik...
    zomg i dont know

    none for wildfire. none for gj. none for manders. none for anak. none for axel. none for cyan.


    thats my empowerment plan
    TIM is a Miller, that's a passive.
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Quote from Seppel »
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Here's a thought experiment: let's say I had an ability that would essentially "clear" me, but, at the cost of giving the scum an extra Night Kill. My default has been this is not worth it (let's call this one my "2" Empower).

    Anyone disagree with that?

    My "4" empower is better, but it does not "clear" me.
    Shut up and claim in full to Cythare you gamethrowing monster.

    There is absolutely zero reason for you to spill role information into the thread if you're town.

    My frustration with you is incredibly high right now.

    Imagine how sorry I am that you feel this way.

    Can you imagine it?
    I'm imagining you thinking, "I'm really sorry, Seppel. If I were town I'd be helping out but I have to be as stubborn as possible or else we can't win."
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    The rest of that is to the townbloc
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    I know what *Axelrod's abilities are.
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    I know what his abilities are anyway, so I'll drop it.

    In the meantime, can you guys start coming up with optimal empowerment targets?
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    You don't want Axelrod to claim in secret?
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Clarify what you mean by some divine circumstance.
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Love it.
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Here's a thought experiment: let's say I had an ability that would essentially "clear" me, but, at the cost of giving the scum an extra Night Kill. My default has been this is not worth it (let's call this one my "2" Empower).

    Anyone disagree with that?

    My "4" empower is better, but it does not "clear" me.
    Shut up and claim in full to Cythare you gamethrowing monster.

    There is absolutely zero reason for you to spill role information into the thread if you're town.

    My frustration with you is incredibly high right now.
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    I dug into TIM because I didn't know why I townread him, and ZOMG has been frustrating. Now I know -- TIM is 100% town.

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    At the beginning of the game, TIM attacks Manders and Iso steps in 3 times to defend her. Then he retracts his suspicion and says that he doesn't like Tom for doing nothing and Anaklusmos for overreacting to Cyan's attack on Anaklusmos. TIM attacks GJ's weak reasoning for having a townread on Manders. TIM is very happy to have Cyan in the game. TIM calls out GJ saying Shadow sounds fake, but also says he's leaning scum in Shadow. (Not sure why.) He's also leaning scum in Wildfire, but he explains that read, at least.

    Okay, now TIM explains that Shadow seems like he's being fake about his read on Manders. And he feels conflicted about Wildfire, saying that he's being scummy, but it feels like WF is on a completely different wavelength of thought, which has been consistent throughout the game. TIM doesn't get why people are TRing Axelrod for pointing out that my abilities can target the untargetable.

    Manders said in early December that her ability is costly, which lines up with what she said now.

    This post is painful to try to read: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/763629-disinheritance-mafia-day-3?comment=766

    I'm skipping it because my phone says no.

    TIM gets in a row with GJ about Bur's alignment. GJ is strongly stating that Bur is 100% open wolfing, and TIM just doesn't see it. GJ antagonizes TIM and attacks TIM for not attacking GJ. TIM ends it by voting GJ, declaring a team of Anaklusmos and GJ.

    Here's the dunk:

    http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/763629-disinheritance-mafia-day-3?comment=807

    TIM continues by saying: "Let me paraphrase GJ here: "I mentioned Anak two or three times over the course of 700 posts, so I could continue to vaguely justify putting him top of my scum pile.""

    Oh god the attacks on GJ just keep coming and they're GOOD attacks. You might want to start at the link above and just read for a bit.

    TIM empowers Axelrod and Axelrod questions TIM's method for choosing someone to empower. It doesn't go anywhere.

    TIM on Iso: "#919 and #939 are Iso's catchup posts. I need to leave these for the moment as I want to see the conclusions before sinking a lot of time into evaluating the content. It's important to read these carefully, though, as it's pretty easy for good scum players to dump a lot of analysis into the thread and expect most players' eyes to glaze over."

    The whole Tom/DV love story begins here and TIM analyzes it and votes Tom. it was dumb to begin with so I don't think there's anything alignment-indicative here.

    Suddenly the Bur lynch happens and TIM gets frustrated over it. GJ responds to TIM, unpromptedly defending his position on thinking Bur is scum. TIM follows up by saying: "The crux of the issue is that GJ's opinion of Bur is completely malleable according to what else is going on in the game, and has literally nothing to do with what Bur has/hasn't actually done."

    TIM reviews the votes on Bur and says Iso's, GJ's, and Tom's are the worst. He goes into decent detail about why he hates Iso's votes.

    TIM reveals he's a Miller and he knows why he's a Miller. probably a self-inflicted action to gain more empowerment, or something.

    TIM analyzes Anaklusmos: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/forum-games/mafia/763629-disinheritance-mafia-day-3?comment=1285

    Highlights:

    "The read on Wildfire feels a bit like glomming onto my position, but the comment to the effect that "I polish my posts carefully as scum" seems extremely townie. I don't think scum make comments to this effect (i.e. actively point to their own playstyle). And even if they do, I think they're likely to tell the truth (actively drawing attention to your own scum meta and then blatantly lying about it isn't a great move). So I'm going to assume that scum-Anak does overthink his posts, and if there's one thing I can say about Anak's posts thus far, it's that they don't seem overthought. They seem much more visceral and emotional, rather than overly wrought."

    and

    "Wrapping up, I feel super conflicted. There's the weird fixation with Cyan, which feels a bit like a scum pocket attempt after that initial overreaction. On the other hand, there's that mid-D1 self-meta-read which just doesn't really fit his/her play this game, and there's the start of D2 where he/she seems to be making a genuine effort. I do think this looks pretty bad for Iso, though, whose "kill it with fire" read on Anak looks like an attempt to gloss over a genuinely complicated set of posts and throw his weight behind the wagon. Unvote. Vote Iso."

    NAI for Anaklusmos, but, based on this and everything else I've read, this definitely townclears TIM.

    And then TIM replaces out. ZOMG replaces in and is a shadow of his former self.
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Quote from Axelrod »
    Well, if it's really me holding the game up I apologize again. But this looks like how it's going to be going forward. It seems like all I can manage these days are short bursts of activity.

    You are also failing to explain why I ought to be listening to anything you have to say. That tends to happen when you lie (for no good reason I suppose, which it appears you didn't have).
    I ASKED YOU IF YOUD LISTEN TO TOM INSTEAD
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    He said he used it all up.
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Wow!
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    Also Axelrod I am frustrated that you are holding the game up and can't seem to stay up to date frequently.
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    @Axelrod: You value Tom's input. What if Tom told you to claim to Cythare?

    @Tom: Tell Axelrod to claim to Cythare.
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  • posted a message on Disinheritance - Endgame
    I should review TIM because I don't remember why he's town.

    Also GJ has run away.
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