I apologize deeply for my absence my past couple of days. It shall not happen again. I will work on catching up tomorrow. as of now, I have 30 minutes and that's not enough time to read three pages.
for you, it's because I simply don't understand how some of the things you said can come from a town standpoint. And then there's the ever-present gut feeling I've got (and that's right about 75% of the time).
For Zajnet, it's a combination of LIPS, bad arguments, and a claim that does nothing to dissuade doubts.
@AI: so I'm a somewhat supicious character because I wagon hop and had one overreaction? And that makes me one of the larger suspects? uh huh, right. I support either a Loran or Zajnet lynch.
I'm starting to come around to this conclusion as well.
I'm a bit surprised at how scummy Bilbroxain has been playing considering how townish I thought ced was. This either means that ced was playing a great scum game or that Bilb's playing a poor town game, and I have at least a little faith in Bilb to play town properly.
Vote Bilbroxain
Your faith is very misplaced. I can't actually remember the last time I had a good town game.
Got to agree on AsianInvasion looking very fishy here....the awful deadline comment. he seems to not have any opinions strong enough to try and stay on a wagon and persuade others to do so as well but rather is only looking for "relevant wagons" that might go to a lynch.
Hmmm, Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion. Okay, I can deal with Tacky later.
WTF IS THIS? Unvote, Vote Loran16 this MUST be what a scum Loran looks like.
Wooooow. That was a massive meltdown there by Zajnet. By the end of 21, I was sure he was scum, and the 'nilla claim did nothing to assauge those feelings. Vote Zajnet
"You shouldn't be upset with me for not talking - I haven't been talking." Excellent.
No, you shouldn't be upset with me not talking because I recently replaced in.
Doesn't quite track. Here's what you said again:
This reads not as "I don't want him to be powered up" but rather as "I don't want him to possibly get an extra life." That's fearmongering. And the phrasing of it - the repeated use of we instead of I, and the generic phrasing of "thing we don't want in any game" - both stand out to me.
that argument is crap and you know it. I don't want anything that can be called helping going into the hands of scum. Is that not a rational fear? You would use a doc protect on someone you are fairly sure is scum would you? It's the same thing here.
Agreed with this. Bilbroxain, there are forum rules that say that ongoing games should not be discussed, even if the people involved are dead. That means that you should not be talking about them, and it also means that joboman can't defend himself properly against accusations involving them without breaking the rules himself. If you have a point to make, make it without using ongoing games as a reference.
If there's no way around the rules, then fine. I have just one thing to say about Joboman myself. There was a post he made earlier that said "You always lock onto me like this and I think that's scummy" I can't remember who he was talking to at that point, but I do remember this: The only other time I have read that from him was in Anita Blake, and he was scum there. No just any kind of scum, but flaringly obvious scum.
Now, I'm going to be V/LA until sunday, so I'm unvoting and will come back and probably make a case on either AE or Joboman. Yay college orientation!
I agree with the second half of that but I still don't understand where you're throwing the idea of an extra life from.
the extra life is just something I threw out there to emphasize the fact that we don't know what the power boost is. The example isn't important, the fact that we don't know what it actually is is.
hm. Did SB say anyone that's gold will get benefits, or only people that he targets?
I dislike the level of fearmongering in this post. It reminds me a lot of a post I made when trying to justify a mislynch in my first game as scum. Since Bilbro has given me literally nothing else to read him on, I have no counterbalancing townie reads, and will unvote, vote: Bilbroxain.
That's probabl because I have all of three posts so far.
Extra life is a pretty big jump. Do you really imagine that SB would be able to target people to give extra lives around?
That's not the point. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POWER BOOST IS. It COULD be an extra life. It COULD be a shot of motivator. It COULD be ANYTHING. And if it could be anything, I don't trust putting it into the scummiest player around.
I was not, but my point was more because of the level of fearmongering displayed than because it was a noobish thing to do. Look at what he said again:
He's trying to get us to lynch AE now because, what, we might not be able to lynch him tomorrow? Is there any support for that anywhere in the thread? This doesn't read to me like him stating honest reasons - I think he wants the lynch and so he's trying to make up why.
You know what? I don't feel like typing all that again. read the above.
Finally done, and here's the conclusions that I have come to: AE is scum, Cyan and Joboman are both town. (lucky me. :-/)
I have no belief in the 1-shot cop claim. Also, I don't like the fact that he wants a power boost. We don't know what it is. What if it's an extra life? that would put us back 2 days, and that's the kind of thing we don't want in any game.
Gah! I am behind! I'm currently on page 7 (my reason for this atrocity is working 8 hour shifts in 100 degree weather makes my brain unable to process well, so I have a further limited attention span for mafia) so far my major read is on AE for saying he wanted the deaths of two claimed neutrals between a lynch and a vig while voting Loran.
Still not home, don't like SB claim, will expound later. Also read ghost town, particularly bilbroxain. Someone saying they are town over and over actually probably makes them the opposite.
No one should target Vezokpriko tonight.
I how everyone keeps bring that role up. I also agree with no one targetting vezok, based on what I have so far.
for you, it's because I simply don't understand how some of the things you said can come from a town standpoint. And then there's the ever-present gut feeling I've got (and that's right about 75% of the time).
For Zajnet, it's a combination of LIPS, bad arguments, and a claim that does nothing to dissuade doubts.
Your faith is very misplaced. I can't actually remember the last time I had a good town game.
Thank you, captain obvious.
WTF IS THIS? Unvote, Vote Loran16 this MUST be what a scum Loran looks like.
this.
No, you shouldn't be upset with me not talking because I recently replaced in.
that argument is crap and you know it. I don't want anything that can be called helping going into the hands of scum. Is that not a rational fear? You would use a doc protect on someone you are fairly sure is scum would you? It's the same thing here.
If there's no way around the rules, then fine. I have just one thing to say about Joboman myself. There was a post he made earlier that said "You always lock onto me like this and I think that's scummy" I can't remember who he was talking to at that point, but I do remember this: The only other time I have read that from him was in Anita Blake, and he was scum there. No just any kind of scum, but flaringly obvious scum.
Now, I'm going to be V/LA until sunday, so I'm unvoting and will come back and probably make a case on either AE or Joboman. Yay college orientation!
Unvote
Will it affect what's going on in that game? No, because you're dead. Now stop pussyfooting and respond, because his case on you intrigues me.
I'm fairly certain he said anyone he targetted.
I was clearing up the misconceptions that RR and Syrenz had about my previous post.
That's probabl because I have all of three posts so far.
That's not the point. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POWER BOOST IS. It COULD be an extra life. It COULD be a shot of motivator. It COULD be ANYTHING. And if it could be anything, I don't trust putting it into the scummiest player around.
You know what? I don't feel like typing all that again. read the above.
I was going to note these and put Vezok on my noted list, but his full claim makes perfect sense.
Finally done, and here's the conclusions that I have come to: AE is scum, Cyan and Joboman are both town. (lucky me. :-/)
I have no belief in the 1-shot cop claim. Also, I don't like the fact that he wants a power boost. We don't know what it is. What if it's an extra life? that would put us back 2 days, and that's the kind of thing we don't want in any game.
Vote: Archmage Eternal
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