Quote from GloriousGoose »How many games with Yawgmoth do you have under your belt in a semi-competitive and above EDH environment?
About 15. All my games are semi-competitive and above, because I play with the kind of people who would sooner get a cheap proxy of an original dual land than play a Tarkir triple land. The kind of people who spend hours calculating the chances of each possible hand. You know when people post in this forum lamenting that their LGS was taken over by insufferable tryhards who suck the fun out of the game? Yeah, that's the people I play with.
And as a lover of all things black, I've played all manners of commanders that had black in their color identity, including most of the mono black commanders discussed here so far, and yes, I've done so at this kind of table. And on the basis of this experience I reiterate my argument: that Yawgmoth performs a lot better than his mono-black ilk when faced with 75% decks, and can even hold his own in the face of more powerful. cEDH-level decks (mostly by making use of Contamination, the one card black has to slow down the more powerful decks). That said, the gulf in power between him and commanders with more favorable color identities was evident: I've actually tried him in the 99 of various Sultai and Abzan decks, and the couple times I actually drew into him he proved a game changer, accomplishing a lot more than he was doing by himself... Which brings me back to the one thing I've been repeating in this whole topic: that his abilities are both powerful and capable of impacting any table, even ones with cEDH-level decks, but he's held back by the fact that his color by itself is just not good enough.
You seem bent on winning this crusade about the evil ToT who dared to say that Yawgmoth is a great competitive commander... But I never said that. All I said is that he's stronger than his mono-black ilk and that he's very good in 75% environments while still being able to hold his own in more competitive environments. HOLD HIS OWN, not OMG THIS IS THE BEST COMMANDER EVER HE WINS EVERY GAME PLAY THIS DECK NEW META or whatever youtubers say in the titles of their videos.
It is a fact that a deck headed by Yawgmoth can do anything a deck headed by any other mono-black commander can do, and that he can do things those other guys cannot do: this simple fact makes it easier for him to win games, which in turn makes him better than the other mono-black commanders, simply because he offers you more. Is this "more" he offers enough to dominate the competitive meta, or even to do great/good in it? Of course not, because mono-black is still an inferior color identity, and the lack of ways to stop enemy combos mans that your sole realistic chance of winning against optimized, cEDH-viable combo decks is to pray to get your own combo before they do... Which, thanks to the good things a deck like this has to offer, you might SOMETIMES be able to pull off. And "sometimes" is still better than "absolutely never".
Imagine an italian guy ranking 47th in a chess world cup, with the other italian players being placed much lower: is that guy a world-class player and a tournament winner? Absolutely not. But he's still the best among the italian players. That's kind of my argument in regards to Yawgmoth: I never claimed that he was a top-tier competitive pick, but still it's a fact that, in an environment where all mono-black decks perform poorly, he performs a bit better than his ilk, which makes him the best of his ilk. If this offends you to the point of starting a crusade over it, it's frankly not my problem.
It seems to me that the issue here is that you and I have a very different definition of the word "viable". I could write an entire essay on the topic of the "top tier fallacy" (long story short, the definition most people have of what constitutes a "top tier" is based on a textbook case of circular logic), but it seems to me that such a debate would derail this topic even more than it already has.
OP has asked a question. I have provided my answer, and you've provided yours: I have no interest in changing mine, and it seems to me that the same goes to you, so this conversation is over. OP will try some things based on our answers and see for themselves who they agree with.