Hello there!
In this thread i want to clear the grey line between planeswalker's/permanent.. ish... and planeswalker'(player identity) previous post in here
Do planeswalkers dies in planar cleansing?
Do planeswalker exiled by vraska's contempt or door to nothingness?
what happened if Ugin's Prison realm leaved the battlefield?
Will bolas returned as a creature or a planeswalker(since he doesnt have any spark left)?
What is the immortal sun actually do?
is it preventing planeswalker to use their abilities or preventing them to planeswalk?
Who controlled the immortal sun in the war of the spark?
Note:before reading this i want to point out that this thread completely ignores the old version of mtg:MTG duels
This is because it doesn't make any sense a bit(a bunch of wolfs tapping forests,a land sacrificing their own kind and emblems coming out of nowhere in the last story of gatewatch)
Generation 1:by putting loyalty counters(loyalty planeswalkers)
These planeswalkers are summoned by Land planeswalkers.
They use their loyalty counters to cast spells
they have less varety of spells to conjure and some spell require to sacrifice their own spark.
They are immune to poison counters but are likely to die by regular attacks(even with the creatures with infect)
Generation 2:by tapping lands(Land Planeswalkers)
Have a life counter(most important feature)
die in 10 poison counters
most of them can use 5 colors of mana
can summon loyalty planeswalkers and make them do what they want
vast variety of spells
Only require to tap 6 lands to cast the immortal sun
What do you guys think
Which one are the correct theory
Or maybe it was both?
As such, it is reasonable to assume that the Immortal Sun you're summoning is not the ACTUAL Immortal Sun, and so you don't need to sac your spark for it. Much like summoning Emrakul doesn't break the game and reality itself.
Okay,so the immortal sun we cast is not real
its just another artifact that named "The Immortal Sun"
that's probably explain why its boosting creatures strength and preventing the planeswalkers that we summoned to use its ability instead of trapping us(players} from wherever we are(hereafter known as "the battlefield")
does this mean that these cards are lies?
for topic unrelated question,is that true that nicol bolas has been defeated by the mono white tutorial deck(if thats true,then the story planeswalkers deck are not competitive at all if nicol bolas are defeated by such deck,think what will happened when we battle him with competitive decks(selesnya tokens,quasiduplidrake,golgari midrange,jeskai controll,and so on) and remember,the one that defeated bolas its a newbie)
Tapping lands for mana is an abstract representation of the way that mages draw power from their environment. Presumably they can only pull a finite amount of mystical energy from any given area at one time, so a land being tapped symbolizes the fact that all of the mana reserves in an area have been depleted. But the flow of mana naturally replenishes itself over time, even in areas that have been drained, which is why those lands will untap the following turn.
Azor creating the Immortal Sun isn't the kind of event that can be represented by game mechanics. Casting it for 6 just means that you're using your energy to activate the artifact once it's already in your possession, it doesn't mean that you're creating it from scratch.
As for planeswalkers not being able to summon the Immortal Sun from another plane, that's just one of the cases where the game's rules don't match the setting. In the game, you can summon anything from anywhere, without any limitations. But in the setting, creatures can't be transported from one plane to another, which is why Bolas needed to orchestrate an elaborate 60 year plot just so he'd have an army that he'd be capable of transporting across the multiverse. Likewise, it seems like artifacts can't be transported between planes unless a planeswalker manually carries them. (But if you really want an in-game representation of Ixalan's events, you could say that Bolas didn't have the Immortal Sun in his deck, which is why he needed to have Tezzeret make a Mastermind's Acquisition to get it into his hand.)
So you say that Tapping lands for mana is an abstract representation of the way that mages draw power from their environment.
that is likely true but,i remembered when i played Magic Duels i found that is
-The MTG mane 6 besides Ajani (Gideon,Jace,Liliana,Chandra,Nissa) can tap lands for mana/draw energy from environment
-From SOI storyline,wolfs can also tap lands for mana this is the same true for Edrazi Titan's from OGW's storyline
-And finally Foundry of the Consuls is the land from chandra's storyline that can actually tap land for mana or even sacrificing its own kind
Okay,so you say we can only summon the sun,not create from thin air
then why is the planeswalker's does not cast it from another plane
not even nicol bolas was able to cast the immortal sun though azor already created it
and whats the diffrence between casting the immortal sun from deck and bring it from the planar bridge for 8 mana?
i mean if planeswalkers can tap land for mana Azor won't have to sacrifice his planeswalker spark to cast the immortal sun
but it is possible that Azor Only have 5 Basic lands or doesn't know how to tap lands
im really confused because we,player's can cast the immortal sun just for tapping 6 lands instead of sacrificing the planeswalker spark
In this thread i want to clear the grey line between planeswalker's/permanent.. ish... and planeswalker'(player identity)
previous post in here
Do planeswalkers dies in planar cleansing?
Do planeswalker exiled by vraska's contempt or door to nothingness?
what happened if Ugin's Prison realm leaved the battlefield?
Will bolas returned as a creature or a planeswalker(since he doesnt have any spark left)?
What is the immortal sun actually do?
is it preventing planeswalker to use their abilities or preventing them to planeswalk?
Who controlled the immortal sun in the war of the spark?
I have to think of some question
Do planeswalkers dies in planar cleansing?
Do planeswalker exiled by vraska's contempt or door to nothingness?
what happened if Ugin's Prison realm leaved the battlefield?
Will bolas returned as a creature or a planeswalker(since he doesnt have any spark left)?
What is the immortal sun actually do?
is it preventing planeswalker to use their abilities or preventing them to planeswalk?
Who controlled the immortal sun in the war of the spark?
So how come Azor needs to sacrifice his spark instead tapping 6 lands to cast the immortal sun?
and somehow Ajani Unable to tap mountains again after he found that violence is not always the answer
Edit : for the ones that doesnt understand here a simpler question
Do planeswalkers tapping land or using loyalty counters for mana?
This is because it doesn't make any sense a bit(a bunch of wolfs tapping forests,a land sacrificing their own kind and emblems coming out of nowhere in the last story of gatewatch)
Generation 1:by putting loyalty counters(loyalty planeswalkers)
These planeswalkers are summoned by Land planeswalkers.
They use their loyalty counters to cast spells
they have less varety of spells to conjure and some spell require to sacrifice their own spark.
They are immune to poison counters but are likely to die by regular attacks(even with the creatures with infect)
Generation 2:by tapping lands(Land Planeswalkers)
Have a life counter(most important feature)
die in 10 poison counters
most of them can use 5 colors of mana
can summon loyalty planeswalkers and make them do what they want
vast variety of spells
Only require to tap 6 lands to cast the immortal sun
What do you guys think
Which one are the correct theory
Or maybe it was both?
Okay,so the immortal sun we cast is not real
its just another artifact that named "The Immortal Sun"
that's probably explain why its boosting creatures strength and preventing the planeswalkers that we summoned to use its ability instead of trapping us(players} from wherever we are(hereafter known as "the battlefield")
does this mean that these cards are lies?
for topic unrelated question,is that true that nicol bolas has been defeated by the mono white tutorial deck(if thats true,then the story planeswalkers deck are not competitive at all if nicol bolas are defeated by such deck,think what will happened when we battle him with competitive decks(selesnya tokens,quasiduplidrake,golgari midrange,jeskai controll,and so on) and remember,the one that defeated bolas its a newbie)
So you say that Tapping lands for mana is an abstract representation of the way that mages draw power from their environment.
that is likely true but,i remembered when i played Magic Duels i found that is
-The MTG mane 6 besides Ajani (Gideon,Jace,Liliana,Chandra,Nissa) can tap lands for mana/draw energy from environment
-From SOI storyline,wolfs can also tap lands for mana this is the same true for Edrazi Titan's from OGW's storyline
-And finally Foundry of the Consuls is the land from chandra's storyline that can actually tap land for mana or even sacrificing its own kind
-Nicol Bolas
No,gideon is not a demigod
just cast Gideon's Defeat when he's attacking and hes donzo
then why is the planeswalker's does not cast it from another plane
not even nicol bolas was able to cast the immortal sun though azor already created it
and whats the diffrence between casting the immortal sun from deck and bring it from the planar bridge for 8 mana?
but it is possible that Azor Only have 5 Basic lands or doesn't know how to tap lands
im really confused because we,player's can cast the immortal sun just for tapping 6 lands instead of sacrificing the planeswalker spark
remember! players identity as a planeswalker