This is a custom art card, ie, a proxy. Really nothing more than a homemade card. To a collector it’s really worth $0, because it’s not made by Wizards and wouldn’t be permitted in a sanctioned tournament. As a proxy, it’s also not worth much, because it’s a proxy of an actual 25 cent card. People don’t usually proxy cards that are so cheap, as proxies are generally designed to act as substitutes for cards the player can’t normally afford. To top it off, the real card being proxied here isn’t particularly used much or commonly played. Best case scenario is you could get $1-$2 for it, but you’d be hard pressed to find a buyer. It probably has more value as a bookmark than in your deck.
The VOW bundle now contains 8 boosters instead of 10. It still contains crappy normal basic lands, too, instead of the set-specific cool ones.
Ah ahahah AH AH ahahah ah AH ah.
Bravo Wizards, you made an already bad product, with bad value proposition, worse. It shows both gusto and perverted dedication to spend time coming up with these things.
Congratulations on breaking news that’s nearly 3 months old. While also ignoring the fact that set boosters replaced draft boosters. Good reporting.
This will be awesome in Atraxa decks. You’d be surprised how few things there are that make -1/-1 counters in significant numbers. When Atraxa is out with this guy, and since it triggered EACH end step, in a 4 person game that makes all opponents creatures -8/-8 by the time the turns go all the way around the table.
“Why couldn't they just create some $15 60-card base rules precons that are upgradable? Why are they so incompetent in making such a product?”
“It's as if WOTC is so incompetent at making $15 60-card base rules precons that they gave up.”
The answer is simple: because Wizards understands that the secondary market exists and no product can be competitive at the $15 price tag. $30-$40 precon decks seem to be the sweet spot. They can put in ~$50-$60 worth of value, include 1-of’s, maybe 2-of’s of the pricey cards, and while you may not have a tournament winner, at least you won’t die on turn 3 while having a miserable experience. A $15 deck would need so many upgrades there wouldn’t be anything left of the $15 deck by the time you shuffle up, therefore there is no market for such a product.
Wizards isn’t incompetent for not making $15 decks, but you likely are for thinking they can and should.
Yes, white has lots of options, but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve needed to wrath the board mid-game and then not had the mana left to cast another spell that same turn. The fact this can cost just WW in many cases makes it much more likely you’ll be able to drop a creature post-Wrath on the same turn.
There are 4 cards here at $20 with Deluge, Lilianna, Arena, and Ophiomancer (why is this card that much? Even without a reprint that still seems high) and the cheapest are Sol Ring and Command Tower. Reanimate may not be $20, but it is ~$10.
Looks like this is better than Green overall where that had useful stuff it was largely less value with only Sylvan Library and Worldly Tutor propping up the whole thing.
When evaluating the value of something, you need to take into account not just the resultant values of cards, but the value of the cards prior to and up to the time of release.
OG Omnath and the FTV version were both $30 cards at the time CC: Green was announced. Both Freyalise’s were $12-$13. Seedborn Muse is currently the 21st most used card in Green according to EDHrec and despite numerous printings, refuses to budge from its $8-$10 price tag.
A lot of the cards in CC: Black will drop after their CC: B release, so comparing their pre-release prices to that of post-release CC: Green is apples to oranges. There was plenty of value in Green above the two cards you mentioned.
most of it doesn't even appeal to me because its universes beyond. this all right after we were supposed to be hyped for upcoming innistrad previews, which were hot on the heels of idk whatever the last set was that just came out, forgotten realms? they're getting difficult to track now too.
its just too much. they answered complaints about product flood with a deluge.
i should be hyped for a brothers war set. i loved the book, i've read the things every single year since it was first published. i loved all of that stuff. i've wanted a proper set for it for decades now... and yet... i don't give a ****. it'll just be more of the same turn offs. all the value at mythic, too many variant borders and arts, no time to actually digest and play with the set before we're on to the next thing.
cool?
i'm sure the pioneer decks will be turds that are a mediocre entry point to the format... and has that format even gained traction anywhere? does anyone even care? i'm sure there'll be 1 hot card just to make the kit sell.
then theres universes beyond, thats just too much. way too much. i hate this idea. i'm not alone. now we get it jammed down our throats like... well use whatever metaphor you prefer but regardless, its not cool.
i didn't like the forgotten realms setting, a lot of people didn't, so here's some baldur's gate about it but now its mixed with your commander cards so you commander players are forced into it. oh you bought so much! you love the setting! universes beyond is a hit! -its manipulative bull***** right here.
it wouldn't be so bad except that these are also game pieces. these are also game pieces that are generally pushed. these are also game pieces that are generally pushed to sell product, so if you want to stay relevant and not get absolutely steam rolled by whoever at whatever event, you're sure as ***** buying into it. that's just not fair any more.
frankly, as hyped as i should be for some of these products, i give zero ****s and this has gone a long way toward turning me off completely. right now i'd rather spend my money on literally any other game that doesn't bombard me with new crap every single month. that doesn't exploit fomo. that doesn't push new cards and force me into them to stay relevant.
this kind of pace and pigheadedness will be the thing that destroys magic on a long enough timeline. i'm not a sky is falling type person, haven't been in 27 years of playing... but thats how i feel after this past year and seeing what the next one will be like.
rather than pissing and moaning about the Pioneer decklists, why not follow the link instead of making ignorant guesses?
Why in the introduction to this write up does it say this is a weekly series (not once, but twice), and here we are on April 7th, 14 weeks into the year, and there’s been a grand total of 3 of these in 2019? These don’t even happen frequently enough to be considered monthly, let alone weekly.
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You just replied to a post nearly 11 YEARS OLD, genius.
Congratulations on breaking news that’s nearly 3 months old. While also ignoring the fact that set boosters replaced draft boosters. Good reporting.
“It's as if WOTC is so incompetent at making $15 60-card base rules precons that they gave up.”
The answer is simple: because Wizards understands that the secondary market exists and no product can be competitive at the $15 price tag. $30-$40 precon decks seem to be the sweet spot. They can put in ~$50-$60 worth of value, include 1-of’s, maybe 2-of’s of the pricey cards, and while you may not have a tournament winner, at least you won’t die on turn 3 while having a miserable experience. A $15 deck would need so many upgrades there wouldn’t be anything left of the $15 deck by the time you shuffle up, therefore there is no market for such a product.
Wizards isn’t incompetent for not making $15 decks, but you likely are for thinking they can and should.
When evaluating the value of something, you need to take into account not just the resultant values of cards, but the value of the cards prior to and up to the time of release.
OG Omnath and the FTV version were both $30 cards at the time CC: Green was announced. Both Freyalise’s were $12-$13. Seedborn Muse is currently the 21st most used card in Green according to EDHrec and despite numerous printings, refuses to budge from its $8-$10 price tag.
A lot of the cards in CC: Black will drop after their CC: B release, so comparing their pre-release prices to that of post-release CC: Green is apples to oranges. There was plenty of value in Green above the two cards you mentioned.
rather than pissing and moaning about the Pioneer decklists, why not follow the link instead of making ignorant guesses?