MTG Salvation

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I say Brudiclad is the only home you got for this when I comes to edh

This card is going to be an all-star in my Sun Quan, Lord of Wu deck, which is always looking for ways to make a significant number of tokens. Currently, that task is being filled with Notorious Throng. The deck runs Coastal Piracy, Bident of Thassa, and Deepfathom Skulker, so plopping out say 6 nigh-unblockable creatures for 8 is good on its own, and the likely card draw in addition is huge.

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They need to include shocklands to move Brawl product - people have less faith in it than Commander, it's a risky product for WotC.

smothering tithe aka white rhystic study is one of the reprints

This is going to exist in standard for what, another 12 months? There won’t be any value to this reprint once brawl is released.

The new cards look fantastic. Will probably grab a deck or 2.

Have you ever played Commander? Who cares how long it’s in standard for; do you think standard is what’s propping up it’s price? On EDHrec, it’s literally the single most included enchantment over the past month. It’s the 15th most used enchantment of the last two years, and it’s only that low because it’s only been released for 7 1/2 months. The card will always have value.

https://edhrec.com/top/enchantments#pastmonth

Ugh, “eluded to” is like nails on a chalkboard.

Does that Core Set symbol look a little Planechasey?

Nice play on Goldilocks and the 3 Bears.

A 1/2 with a potential ability is pretty nice for G.

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People brew decks for newly revealed legends all the time. We're talking about cards that work well with Marisi. And if you feel we are off topic, how about you report it to a mod instead and they can set us straight?

People BREW in the correct forum. In the Commander forum. In the New Cards discussion forum. This is the rumor forum. There are rules for a reason. I didn’t report the thread because its origins belong here. BUILDING DECKS HERE DOES NOT.

This isn’t the forum for brewing this (or any) deck.

Recommend Cosmotronic Wave to help ensure your creatures get that first hit in.

My first suggestion would be to change your MTGS handle.

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Don’t need you to fix anything, thanks.

If you look through this thread, you’ll see a post of mine where Gavin Verhey, Wizards employee, acknowledges shortcoming in last years decks. Meaning, while not terrible, they weren’t great and could be improved upon. Quality of newly created cards is always debatable, cards that work for some, don’t work for all. There is NO REASON a deck can have good reprints along with the new cards. Gavin ADMITS IT. He also says they’re listening to players complaints and said they’d address it. 50% in, his words are untrue.

As for the list of cards I used, it’s not my personal want list. With the exception of the BAttlebond duals and the Medallions, the cards I listed WERE THE MOST POPULAR CARDS BY TYPE IN THE EDH FORMAT, in terms of their appearance in the quantities of decks on EDHREC. So save your pithy, condescending attitude and stop acting like requesting one or two $7 to $12 cards (most on that list are sub-$10) per deck and perhaps one or two of the $20 cards total across all four decks is an unreasonable request. They are the MOST PLAYED CARDS IN THE FORMAT. Yes, they may have been printed in the past, but some, like Propaganda haven’t been seen in 3 years, or 4 years since Arena. And just stop pretending like adding one or two of each of those cards per deck, which we haven’t seen in years is “reprinting the same decks as previous years”. Such a lame argument. Two cards per deck we haven’t seen in years is not the same deck. And BTW, Sun Titan says hello (for the third time).

So, to sum up:
-person that oversees the decks acknowledges the reprints have been lacking in the last years Commander product.
-that person said they’d improve on that, and 50% of the way through, that’s untrue.
-the cards on my list are among THE MOST PLAYED IN THE FORMAT (per the decks submitted to EDHREC) and are not too highly priced so as to deliver an unreasonable EV. I carefully avoided financially unreasonable cards.
-a good number of those cards on that list have seen an appearance in the Commander decks before.

So PLEASE, enlighten me as to why I’m being unreasonable, and try to do it where YOU’RE not the one looking foolish.

Ah yes, the “I’ll type in caps to make my POINT SOUND BETTER” approach.

How about this. How do those cards play into the deck themes, and how would you balance them?

And for HOW YOU ARE BEING UNREASONABLE? Well, for starters, I said most of those reprints you want were already printed in Commander products. So, no for that. Next, you suggested cards that foster games that aren’t incredibly enjoyable, so no to that too. Then you ask for cards that exist in other supplemental product, like Battlebond, so why share those cards with a product that’s basically the same thing? So no to that as well.

There, happy? No? Didn’t think so. And nobody cares...

And stop barking about wanting this to play with noobs, everyone benefits from having better cards

I don’t think that’s the point. These decks have a predetermined theme and are expected to play well against each other. Slamming reprints, specifically powerful ones like THAT ONE GUY ASKED FOR, into the decks creates gameplay issues out of the box.

So, the cards need to fit the theme and play well against each other. Unfortunately, that lops off quite a few cards. But it is to be expected.

I never “asked for” “Slamming reprints, specifically powerful ones”. Resorting to reductio ad absurdum OR attempting to put words in my mouth just demonstrates you have no argument. What I DID say was “1-2 cards of the $7 to $12 variety” per deck (so minimum 4, maximum 8), and “1-2 cards total across all four decks of the ~$20 variety”. So that’s a total of minimum 5 cards (4/1) or a maximum 10 cards (8/2) in total. That’s between 1.25 and 2.5 cards per deck, solely for the purpose of providing easy, affordable access to cards that are staples in the format. If 1.25 to 2.5 cards to you is “slamming” them into a deck in your mind, most would disagree with you.

As for gameplay balance, do you really think Wizards can’t design decks to accommodate the strength of 2 quality reprints per deck? LOL, whatever. Likewise, your argument is weak when you cherrypick certain cards in my list (which BTW was not meant to be comprehensive, but I thought nearly 40 examples was enough to make my point), such as the tutors and the feelbads, when cards like Chromatic Lantern, Thought Vessel, and Expedition Map were also valid suggestions and would serve my point and serve their purpose just as well.

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Sun Titan is a “biggest highlight”? The card has EIGHT prior printings, with your choice of three arts and is a $4 card. Not denying the quality of the card, but rather the merits of it being considered a good reprint.

Your kidding right it’s almost impossible to not spot a sun titan in any deck involving white this makes it easier for newer and budget players to snag one

Besides when I said highlight I mean commander playable reprint wise

No, I’m not kidding, because a $4 card with 8 printings is both affordably and readily available to anyone that wants it. We only get so many reprints per deck, and using up one of those slots on something with 8 printings is not needed, when something else could be used instead. Again, I’m not talking playability, I’m calling it a bad reprint.

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I don't particularly care about reprints either. They're nice gravy but they're not what gets me so hyped for the product every year

But why do new, exciting cards have to preclude worthwhile reprints, particularly staple reprints?

Just as an example, all the Medallions save one, are $5 or less, so why not put the one that corresponds to a decks most dominant color across all decks? It’s impossible to believe that the makers of Magic can’t strike a deck balance and include a $7 highly played card at the same time.

Don’t need you to fix anything, thanks.

If you look through this thread, you’ll see a post of mine where Gavin Verhey, Wizards employee, acknowledges shortcoming in last years decks. Meaning, while not terrible, they weren’t great and could be improved upon. Quality of newly created cards is always debatable, cards that work for some, don’t work for all. That said, there is NO REASON a deck can’t have good reprints along with the new cards. Gavin ADMITS IT. He also says they’re listening to players complaints and said they’d address it. 50% in, his words are untrue.

Gavin Verhey: With that said, to your point about making sure Commander decks are chock-full of exciting reprints, we are looking at putting a lot of good reprints in Commander decks, I know that for some people 2018 didn’t have as many as they would have liked. We incorporated that feedback and going forward we’re definitely looking at the kind and number of reprints we’re putting in”.

As for the list of cards I used, it’s not my personal want list. With the exception of the BAttlebond duals and the Medallions, the cards I listed WERE THE MOST POPULAR CARDS BY TYPE IN THE EDH FORMAT, in terms of their appearance in the quantities of decks on EDHREC. So save your pithy, condescending attitude and stop acting like requesting one or two $7 to $12 cards (most on that list are sub-$10) per deck and perhaps one or two of the $20 cards total across all four decks is some far-fetched, unreasonable request. They are the MOST PLAYED CARDS IN THE FORMAT.

Yes, they may have been printed in the past, but some, like Propaganda haven’t been seen in 3 years, or 4 years since Arena, or 8 since Aura Shards. And let’s just stop pretending like adding one or two of each of those cards per deck, which we haven’t seen in three or four years is “reprinting the same decks”. Such a lame argument. Two cards per deck we haven’t seen in 3 to 8 years is not the same deck. And BTW, Sun Titan says hello (for the third time).

So, to sum up:
-person that oversees the decks acknowledges the reprints have been lacking in the last years Commander product.
-that person said they’d improve on that, and 50% of the way through, that’s untrue.
-the cards on my list are among THE MOST PLAYED IN THE FORMAT (per the decks submitted to EDHREC) and are not too highly priced so as to deliver an unreasonable EV. I carefully avoided financially unreasonable cards.
-a good number of those cards on that list have seen an appearance in the Commander decks before.

So PLEASE, enlighten me as to why I’m being unreasonable, and try to do it where YOU’RE not the one looking foolish. I have facts (evidence) on my side why it’s NOT.

Honestly, you’re arguing that roughly six sub-$10 STAPLES and a perhaps a pair of $20 cards is something totally unreasonable across four decks in a product that costs $160 (using last years MSRP). Quit acting like lowering the costs for newer or less affluent players is a BAD thing. That’s the hill you want to die on? EDH STAPLES, which this list is, should continue to rise in price when a simple $10 reprint can aid in alleviating that?

Sun Titan is a “biggest highlight”? The card has EIGHT prior printings, with your choice of three arts and is a $4 card. Not denying the quality of the card, but rather the merits of it being considered a good reprint.

Apologies, Schindar, yes it was directed at the first person to complain about people being “entitled”. I corrected it.