MTG Salvation

Here are the rest.

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Uno cards are spiking on TCGPlayer already

Have you seen the price of a NM Wild Draw 4 lately?

A blue Christmas this year.

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Full list here, looks like:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/mystery-booster-revealed-2019-11-11#1

Of note:

No shocklands, no fetchlands, no Liliana, the Last Hope, no Jace. Vry's Prodigy, no Liliana of the Veil, no Tarmogoyf, no Oko, no Nexus of Fate (??, this needs a reprint people!) and not a lot of meat for Pioneer so far. Also no Underground Sea, so they didn't add a Revised Sheet. Would need to parse it but I'm likekly giving this a wide pass and I hope it goes unsold in vast quantities so we can get a Pioneer Masters instead next year.

EditL Forget Pioneer Masters as this releaes next year (March 2020) to WPN stores. :-(

No Underground Sea? These are reprints, not repacks. What possibly made you think the Reserve List was going away?

Do you think the biggest announcement in the last 20 plus years in Magic history would be announced by way of a card list spoiler?

And, while they may not acknowledge the secondary market, you believed there was a chance Wizards might be reprinting $300, $400, $450 cards? SMH, where has common sense gone...

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You guys are misunderstanding. There are good cards in these packs, but it appears the chances to pull them are so low it doesn't even matter. 21 out of somewhere between 1000 and 2000 is terrible odds. Like I have seen in the thread before, if these are comparable in price to regular set pack price, it will be a novel draft format. If they end up being 10+ dollars, this will bomb incredibly hard, unless they have something super impressive for that slot that had the test print cards. All of this may change based on the full card list, but the number of good cards is going to have to be really jacked up to make this more than a fun draft.

Agreed that 21 good cards out of 1000-2000 cards are not great odds, but you’re misunderstanding a few things of your own.

First, while you do touch on the number of spoiled cards, this list of cards was made looking at a list of a little over 400 spoiled cards. Whereas with an official Wizards set spoiler we all should know by now we tend to get the best cards spoiled early, and the remainder spoilers are chaff, but that’s not the case here. We’ve seen only 21 high priced cards out of ~400 cards because that’s what’s been opened. It’s not guaranteed, but if we’ve only seen say 25% to 33% percent of the cards (assuming 1200 to 1600 cards) it stands to reason that we’ve seen only 25% to 33% of the good cards. Again, because this isn’t a typical spoiler, there’s no reason to think unseen cards are chaff. That would mean conceivably there are 63 to 84 more money cards in the set.

Second, while correct that we don’t know the price of these packs and that will most assuredly have a bearing on the overall merits of this set, your choosing of “21 cards” indicates you’re referring to the first portion of my list. A lot of the 18 cards I put in that second group ($4-$10) were at the high end of that range, at $8 or $9. Most people would be pretty happy to pull $8 or $9 cards out of their pack, and if we use the same ratio of good cards spoiled to total cards, that means we could see another 50-70 cards of worth in them.

Third, you’re neglecting that while the set is indeed very large and will serve to dilute the dollar value of the pack, you’re getting TWO rares per pack, not one.

Third, it’s being shown cards are appearing at their regular, original rarities. Meaning in addition to your two rares, you can pull a $24 Demonic Tutor in the UC slot, or a $16 Rhystic as a common.

Price of the packs will definitely determine the success of these. However with 25-33% of the set spoiled, there is no reason to dismiss the set based on content.

EDIT: since my above list was compiled, and since all other content in this post, the following cards have been revealed: All is Dust $6, Eldrazi Monument $7, Purphoros $20, Queen Marchessa $20, Gitrog Monster $7, Athreos $16.

He also said “meh”, and we all know what that means: unimpressed. And even if the emphasis is on boring, why even play the game? If one isn’t excited about a laundry list of $10+ EDH staples and some other format all stars, evaluation of this set and any others should be questioned.

And as for that list, I played 6 hours of Commander yesterday against 6 or 7 opponents, and 5 hours on Wednesday against 4 completely different opponents and without exaggeration saw all but Sorin and Bauble in the first list, and all but Chromatic Star, Toxin Sliver, Hedron Crab, Temporal Mastery, Asceticism and Lightning Helix and Lightning Bolt in the other lists. That’s 34 out of 43 mentioned cards on the table, either in front of me or coming at me in just 2 play sessions.

Every one of those cards attributes their price to playability and not scarcity with the exceptions of Mana Crypt, Teferi’s Protection, Rhystic Study, and Bloom Tender, whose prices are due to an equal combination of scarcity and playability, and maybe Defense of the Heart (which I’d agree weighs towards scarcity). How can I qualify this? Because with the exception of those 5 cards, none of the others are hard to come by; most everything on that list saw a printing or reprinting in the last 2 to 3 years, therefore their price is attributable to playability. Norn has 3 printings, excluding the judge foil and still commands $18. Grave Titan 3 printings and a promo, still $13.

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the packs themselves are kind of boring without the test cards but meh

Mana Crypt $190
Kolaghan’s Command $23
Elesh Norn $18
Sliver Hivelord $20
Demonic Tutor $24
Rhystic Study $16
Teferi’s Protection $37
Aura Shards $13
Bloom Tender $47
Kiki-Jiki $13
Teferi, TA $15
Alhamarrett’s Archive $12
Animar $13
Tireless Tracker $13
Defense of the Heart $16
Grave Titan $13
Soren Markov $11
Recruiter of the Guard $18
Rhys the Redeemed $30
Mishra’s Bauble $10
Phyrexian Arena $10

$4-$10 cards like Manamorphose, Sol Ring, Caged Sun, Kruphix, Lightning Greaves, Birds, Chromatic Star, Toxin Sliver, Solemn Simulacrum, PHyrexian Metamorph, Lotus Petal, Asceticism, Chromatic Lantern, Hedron Crab, Dictate of Erebos, Basilisk Collar, Baleful Strix, Temporal Mastery...

Sub-$4 format All Stars like Thran Dynamo, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Helix, Rune-scarred Demon, Skullclamp...

That’s “meh”? Seriously, get better at evaluating, you’re terrible at it.

Other then fetches, what more kind of things are people looking for in a reprint set? And the list I compiled was with about 400 cards spoiled, with anywhere from 600 to 1600 more cards to come.

Rosewater confirms the Test cards are Convention Boosters only, with something else to replace them in the retail versions.

So, per Verhey’s twitter, each pack has 2 C/U of each color, 1 Multi C/U, 1 artifact/land C/U, 1 playtest card, 1 M15 forward R/M and one pre-M15 card in its original frame.

Also, the set has between 1000 and 2000 cards! So, it may contain some needed reprints, but good freaking luck pulling them.

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Not all the reprints are garbage...

Wait til we start seeing copies of Mana Crypt with one of the test-card stickers over it. Peel it off and rip the face off the Crypt.... peel it and leave sticky residue behind.... ultimate bad customer feedback there LOL

They aren’t actual stickers, they’re printed to resemble stickers.

Not all the reprints are garbage...

Damn, 2020 is gonna be expennnnsiiiive.

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So, that Elspeth being 255 isn't part of the set. So she is the much weaker planeswalker deck version? It seems rather pushed for a weaker version. Or is the first extra number the Buy a Box promo?

Alt borders are numbered like that. This is the regular in-set PW.

More pics.

More pics.