Hmmm, this seems quite arbitrary... I understand that it's a ruling a single judge made on the spot? So perhaps that is the only reason that this "order of operations" seems to be enforced (ie. dies triggers before counter merge) - because of precedence?
Otherwise it is making no sense to me...
2 things are happening simultaneously - and yet one thing is happening before the other always (dies before counter merge) - and I'm not sure why.
Sorry to harp on about this, I genuinely find it interesting haha
I'm a computer programmer, and we're all about logic and order lol
So there is no order to the state based actions at all? ie. the moment the -1/-1 counters hit, the "dies" triggers, theoretically at the same time as the counter merge would happen? Couldn't the player who owns the item choose which occurs first (given they happen at the same time)?
So I have a question. When a creature receives lethal damage, or enough -1/-1 counters, it is immediately put into the graveyard as a state based action.
According to rule 704.7, when a Young Wolf that has 1x +1/+1 counter on it is then given 3x -1/-1 counters, when it hits the graveyard it is considered to have 1x +1/+1 counter and 3x -1/-1 counters (and thus undying does not trigger).
I believe this is incorrect, and in direct contradiction to rule 704.5q, which states and +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters cancel each other out (also as a state based action, that surely must happen before a creature is removed.
Therefore I feel like, when the Young Wolf goes to the graveyard, it should, in fact, have 2x -1/-1 counters on it (and no +1/+1 counters), and Undying should trigger.
So I had an old account from 2015 called NightCabbage.
When I logged in today it forced to me make a new account using my Twitch account. I tried to enter my old username of NightCabbage and it would not let me.
So now I've had to name myself NightCabbage1, and it seems my old account is completely inaccessible (and my username with it).
That seems like a pretty bad bug in your system... how has everyone else not also lost their old usernames and accounts? Am I missing something?
Otherwise it is making no sense to me...
2 things are happening simultaneously - and yet one thing is happening before the other always (dies before counter merge) - and I'm not sure why.
Sorry to harp on about this, I genuinely find it interesting haha
I'm a computer programmer, and we're all about logic and order lol
According to rule 704.7, when a Young Wolf that has 1x +1/+1 counter on it is then given 3x -1/-1 counters, when it hits the graveyard it is considered to have 1x +1/+1 counter and 3x -1/-1 counters (and thus undying does not trigger).
I believe this is incorrect, and in direct contradiction to rule 704.5q, which states and +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters cancel each other out (also as a state based action, that surely must happen before a creature is removed.
Therefore I feel like, when the Young Wolf goes to the graveyard, it should, in fact, have 2x -1/-1 counters on it (and no +1/+1 counters), and Undying should trigger.
Thoughts?
When I logged in today it forced to me make a new account using my Twitch account. I tried to enter my old username of NightCabbage and it would not let me.
So now I've had to name myself NightCabbage1, and it seems my old account is completely inaccessible (and my username with it).
That seems like a pretty bad bug in your system... how has everyone else not also lost their old usernames and accounts? Am I missing something?