But you are creature heavy too, you have 9 (and with high power). Why not a board wipe instead? (Languish or yahenni expertise)?
I suppose dredge is very present in your meta then
In my version I can play neither seizan nor teferi puzzle box because spiteful visions makes the draw damage symmetrical. So the draw can only be "target player"
Thanks for the sound suggestions. I'll try removing the Ghost Quarters and putting 4 Mutavault and 2-4 Swarmyard in (as in all my tribal rat decks anyway).
The idea behind Rotting Rats was to either play it empty-handed, or to discard it to Pack Rat or Copter and play it again from the graveyard. So far I found it quite successful. I could replace it with Ravenous Rats but I'd lose the recursion effect. Burglar Rat is a better version of Ravenous Rats, as it avoids Leyline of the Void.
20 creatures doesn't work with vial. You need a lot of more rats of you want use aether vial. Look at humans, merfolk or spirit decks and how much creatures they use
It could also be a combination of Aether Vial and Cloudstone Curio for soft locking the opponent. But either cases (curio or more rats) is tight, unless I drop down to 8rack instead of the 12 racks I have now... I'm not sure which is best to support the 8rack plan, as the deck is still meant to be 8rack
Hello fellow rackers
As the primer says, 8rack is an highly customizable shell. So I went ahead and wanted to build a creature heavier version... This is the list I play-tested in a recent FNM:
There were 20 opponents in the FNM and I ended up losing in the semi-finals.
The star was Smuggler's Copter to get more value out of "enter the battlefield" rats such as Burglar Rat or Rotting Rats.
The only addition in the list above from the deck I used at the FNM is Chittering Rats. I found that depite all the discard rats, some opponents kept lands in hand to wreck the main plan. I thought that Chittering Rats could be a way out (unless they fetch), while comboing with the other rats and copter. Although Wrench Mind could also work...
I lost in semi-finals against Burn, which was just too good at top-decking... Do you think I should consider Funeral Charm as an instant speed discard? It also gives swampwalk to the pumped up Pack Rat. Alternatively, Aether Vial could instant cast rats in this setup to discard in the draw phase or crew copters. Another play I see with the vial is cycling with copter and vialing a rat in before the damage phase to pump a pack rat... Or vial a Pack Rat in and double it for just 3 mana
I'm open to any suggestion. This is not meant to be a budget deck, just a creature/tribal rat twist on 8Rack.
Thanks a lot for this primer! Long time tribal rat player there, but I never got into EDH yet for some reason.
What do you think of Rat Colony? Although this could make the deck less combo and more tribal, as any rat can pump rat colony
For reanimators, I use in my tribal rat Immortal Servitude. It brings all Rat Colony back for 5 (or Relentless Rats for 6)
For the kill, I use Essence Harvest.
I suppose dredge is very present in your meta then
In my version I can play neither seizan nor teferi puzzle box because spiteful visions makes the draw damage symmetrical. So the draw can only be "target player"
Also Relic of Progenitus looks like a sideboard card to me
Personally, I went for a Br flavor because of Kederekt Parasite
3 Fate Unraveler
4 Kederekt Parasite
4 Master of the Feast
4 Simian Spirit Guide
Lands (20)
2 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
14 Swamp
2 Lavaclaw Reaches
2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Damnable Pact
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Sign in Blood
Enchantments (8)
2 Blood Moon
3 Spiteful Visions
3 Underworld Dreams
3 Ob Nixilis, the Hate-Twisted
Artifacts (4)
4 Veinfire Borderpost
I have been trying it out online to some moderate success. Kederekt Parasite and Simian Spirit Guide make the deck quite faster
The idea behind Rotting Rats was to either play it empty-handed, or to discard it to Pack Rat or Copter and play it again from the graveyard. So far I found it quite successful. I could replace it with Ravenous Rats but I'd lose the recursion effect.
Burglar Rat is a better version of Ravenous Rats, as it avoids Leyline of the Void.
I guess I could try:
Replacing 4 Chittering Rats with 4 Funeral Charm
Replacing 4 Rotting Rats with 4 Ravenous Rats
Cheers
It could also be a combination of Aether Vial and Cloudstone Curio for soft locking the opponent. But either cases (curio or more rats) is tight, unless I drop down to 8rack instead of the 12 racks I have now... I'm not sure which is best to support the 8rack plan, as the deck is still meant to be 8rack
As the primer says, 8rack is an highly customizable shell. So I went ahead and wanted to build a creature heavier version... This is the list I play-tested in a recent FNM:
4 Pack Rat
4 Nezumi Shortfang
4 Rotting Rats
4 Burglar Rat
4 Chittering Rats
Enchantment
4 Shrieking Affliction
Land
1 Swarmyard
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Ghost Quarter
2 Mutavault
14 Swamp
4 The Rack
4 Smuggler's Copter
Instant
2 Dismember
Sorcery
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Ghost Quarter
3 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Pithing Needle
2 Ravenous Trap
4 Fatal Push
2 Dismember
2 Duress
There were 20 opponents in the FNM and I ended up losing in the semi-finals.
The star was Smuggler's Copter to get more value out of "enter the battlefield" rats such as Burglar Rat or Rotting Rats.
The only addition in the list above from the deck I used at the FNM is Chittering Rats. I found that depite all the discard rats, some opponents kept lands in hand to wreck the main plan. I thought that Chittering Rats could be a way out (unless they fetch), while comboing with the other rats and copter. Although Wrench Mind could also work...
I lost in semi-finals against Burn, which was just too good at top-decking... Do you think I should consider Funeral Charm as an instant speed discard? It also gives swampwalk to the pumped up Pack Rat. Alternatively, Aether Vial could instant cast rats in this setup to discard in the draw phase or crew copters. Another play I see with the vial is cycling with copter and vialing a rat in before the damage phase to pump a pack rat... Or vial a Pack Rat in and double it for just 3 mana
I'm open to any suggestion. This is not meant to be a budget deck, just a creature/tribal rat twist on 8Rack.
Cheers
What do you think of Rat Colony? Although this could make the deck less combo and more tribal, as any rat can pump rat colony
For reanimators, I use in my tribal rat Immortal Servitude. It brings all Rat Colony back for 5 (or Relentless Rats for 6)
For the kill, I use Essence Harvest.
Cheers