Playing this deck, cascade version, recently, I'm quite interested in the spoils of Theros.
I saw a common card there that I find really powerful after having tested it a bit:
Omen of the sea
1U
Enchantment
Flash
Scry 2 then draw 1
2U, sacrifice Omen : Scry 2
A instant Preordain to 2 mana which scry again for 3 mana.
It is a pity that the second scry is paying because it would be ideal after a Libra with 0 cards in hand, 0 terrain and 0 creatures (no bad draw in the next round).
What do you think? It's not broken like preordain but, in my opinion, is fairly strong anyway.
1) Is Sedge worth it anymore? And Coco? To me, it just feels expensive
Sedge Sliver and Collected Company allow a better resilience against wraths and a better mid/late game with a new lord than a fast sliver strategy. But the downside is that it requires a terrible manabase.
This is my deck, if you want to give me your opinion i'd be happy!
Hmm... I didn't test it, but by looking, I find this list very janky.
Fistly, yours lands are not good. Too many with the setback : "enter the battlefield tapped". It make your manabase too slow for Modern, especially in the present meta, where many decks kill turn 3 or 4, or even some of them kill turn 2.
Secondly, certainly, these new slivers Horizon can allow us to use new victory strategies, but it's still too janky
In your case, you want to use Dregscape Sliver for to turn the linear aggro tribe into a big spell tribe. A very interesting idea, really, but I saw a youtuber make a Living end slivers with results before Horizon. And, even now, I think his idea better than Dregscape.
it's, above all, a living end deck. It only replaces some cards with slivers. And now that Horizon is out, it's probably possible to modify and improve it.
Now, personally, I won't try a graveyard deck with all sideboards focusing on the graveyard hates hanging around in tournament (thanks dredge, izzet phoenix and hogaak)
Sorry, but this new forum is a no for me. their forum has a choice of colour and a graphic style that makes it more difficult to read messages. It has nothing to make me want to change forums.
For Virulent Sliver, my bad, I didn't understood. Actually, it's a better card than I thought it would be.
For the Eldrazi tron case, my opponent, didn't have to attack with his eldrazi. None of my sliver could pass if I attacked, so he waited to draw what he was looking for. Plus, He completed tron turn 3 so my diffusions and mariner didn't matter. Flying + diffusion = no enough damage and he had time to put ballista or other card for remove my flyers. Without cloudshredder sliver + lords, I can only lose vs eldrazi tron.
Make a combo deck with sliver is totally possible and can be very fun. On Youtube, u have many attempts like on the channel MTG Tavern, for example.
Metallic mimic is too slow. Yes, he puts +1+1 counter and you don't lost them when Mimic die but, he cannot boost the turn where he arrives, which, in a fast sliver makes him very/too slow; but, neither can he boost slivers previously placed on the board.
Surgical extraction is very expensive, too much like many others cards (hi, Cavern of souls). A game should not cost so much money compared to the prizes you can get. But it's an another debate.
However, Surgical is a very versatile card that is effective against combo, graveyard et control decks. It's rarely a dead card in your side.
My list is based on Timba's list (fast slivers) and yours(gold lands) . the mariners were a auto-inclusion as soon as they were announced. And dorks/forest because of my fear of the blood moon/ponza/field played by a significant number of players in Paris (at least one opponent per tournament). But Modern Horizon has significantly modified the meta and many azorius/ponza players switched for Vizier, Hogaak and eldrazi tron. But, Bridgevine is not that popular, and in addition, Hogaak and/or altar are probably going to be banned this month.
Virulent... Hmm, I prefer Sidewinder sliver for a 1-drop, maybe? If you place a virulent, and apply poison markers; then if the opponent kill him, you no longer inflict poison markers, unless you have another virulent in your hand, which is difficult, you now inflict only classical damages . You will then have lost 1 turn maybe 2 to inflict markers, which are now just decorations without utility.
Integrating poison markers splits your objective for defeat your opponent as quickly as possible : either you deal damage to PV, either poison markers. Not both at the same time.
However, maybe replace Adaptive Automaton by Syphon Sliver or sentinel sliver for match-ups creatures then put 2 Gaddock Teeg in side instead of syphon; with Mana confluence instead Ancient Ziggurat like you suggest.
I don't know... With the banlist of july, wait and see.
Versus Eldrazi tron, striking didn't make a difference. The opponent put eldrazis 4/4 or 5/5 covered by ballista. You need so many lords to compete with these creatures and I had rarely more than 2 on board. Anyway, ballista with collar kill everything turn 5. No, you need to evade and attack with a board buffed by lords or/and leeching sliver or find a card that prevents pings.
My record :
Round 1 : 2-0 vs Jund
I won thanks to Diffusion Sliver and Unsettled Mariner which forced him to use all his mana for kill them and meanwhile I killed him with flying. He sided Plague Engineer and anger of the gods but he didn’t draw them or can’t play them because my lords protected my board.
Round 2 : 2-1 vs Hogaak Bridgevine
He won the first game with a Carrion Feeder buffed and a Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis, plus I didn’t keep a very good hand and didn’t draw the good cards too.
The 2nd match, I mulligan down 5 for finding extraction and a lord. I extract vengevine whom he had planned to win by brute force. He didn’t have Hogaak or an Altar of Dementia.
The 3rd match, Surgical Extraction on Bridge from Below and harmonic sliver on his altar (I top decked a land for it). He cast a Hogaak but my board with leeching/flying/lifelink/lords was better .
Round 3 : 2-1 vs Golgari (rock?)
I taken a match loss by the judge because I forgot my forest in the decklist :/
Personnally, I mull to 6 to first match then to 5.
But, nevertheless, gods of Magic didn’t favor my opponent much less, whose mulli down to 5 each match and lose at turn 4 each time without doing much (he played dark confident/tarmo/ooze but he didn’t do anything else). He finished very salted and very pissed, even the judge came to ask me why.
Round 4 : 0-2 vs Eldrazi Tron
Clearly a unfavorable match-up
Tron t3 each match.
Game 1 : Karn, the Great Creator into Skysovereign, Consul Flagship and ping my slivers because karn transform him into a 5/5 flyer.
Game 2 : Turn 3, I put a harmonic for destroy his Expedition map, but he had already his tron land in hand. He ping my slivers with Walking Ballista/Endbringer then smash me.
Round 5 : Draw vs Hatebear
After discussion, we decide about a draw. My opponent and me was hungry
Round ¼ : 0-2 Eldrazi tron again (the same guy)
Match 1 : Tron t3 into Reality Smasher into ballista
Match 2 : I put a Damping sphere but didn’t draw a flyer and lord/leeching vs Smasher/Ballista with Basilisk collar.
Diffusion and Mariner together are very strong. Except Tron, they are saved my games each time.
After playing with the terrible manabase caused by sedge and coco, I found that having 16 gold lands is really really nice.
Versus Hogaak, I found extraction a very good counter card and can be played anytime in the game contrary to leyline due to the manabase. The deck cannot block flyers and has almost nothing to destroy creatures.
I don’t know if I continue to play dork sliver… I don't see how they're useful except against blood moons. And it's not a card that's really being played right now.
I think Eldrazy Tron is really favored agains us. If I don’t have a hate tron with flyers and lords in the first round, I lost.
And finally, don't write your list in haste.
I searched everywhere but i've still a doubt about lock cards like Ghostly Prison and Sphere of Safety. The "you" in the rules written on cards refers solely to me or at the team?
Until the release of Dominaria and the change of rules, the "you" was the team, but now I feel like solely the teammate. Can you confirm that?
Isn't realmwalker going to bring the tribe back to life?
After all, it allows a pseudo draw that was sorely missed in non-Collected Company decks.
Indeed, today, MTG unveiled a new goblin :
Conspicuous Snoop
We cast this goblin turn 2, then you need to play Boggart Harbinger turn 3 for tuto Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker.
Conspicuous Snoop create tokens of himself to infinity. Then the last token copy Boggart Harbinger for tuto goblins like Sling-Gang Lieutenant or Mogg Fanatic and finally we sacrifice all tokens for the win.
Playing this deck, cascade version, recently, I'm quite interested in the spoils of Theros.
I saw a common card there that I find really powerful after having tested it a bit:
Omen of the sea
1U
Enchantment
Flash
Scry 2 then draw 1
2U, sacrifice Omen : Scry 2
A instant Preordain to 2 mana which scry again for 3 mana.
It is a pity that the second scry is paying because it would be ideal after a Libra with 0 cards in hand, 0 terrain and 0 creatures (no bad draw in the next round).
What do you think? It's not broken like preordain but, in my opinion, is fairly strong anyway.
Sedge Sliver and Collected Company allow a better resilience against wraths and a better mid/late game with a new lord than a fast sliver strategy. But the downside is that it requires a terrible manabase.
Hmm... I didn't test it, but by looking, I find this list very janky.
Fistly, yours lands are not good. Too many with the setback : "enter the battlefield tapped". It make your manabase too slow for Modern, especially in the present meta, where many decks kill turn 3 or 4, or even some of them kill turn 2.
Secondly, certainly, these new slivers Horizon can allow us to use new victory strategies, but it's still too janky
In your case, you want to use Dregscape Sliver for to turn the linear aggro tribe into a big spell tribe. A very interesting idea, really, but I saw a youtuber make a Living end slivers with results before Horizon. And, even now, I think his idea better than Dregscape.
Sliver living end
it's, above all, a living end deck. It only replaces some cards with slivers. And now that Horizon is out, it's probably possible to modify and improve it.
Now, personally, I won't try a graveyard deck with all sideboards focusing on the graveyard hates hanging around in tournament (thanks dredge, izzet phoenix and hogaak)
For Virulent Sliver, my bad, I didn't understood. Actually, it's a better card than I thought it would be.
For the Eldrazi tron case, my opponent, didn't have to attack with his eldrazi. None of my sliver could pass if I attacked, so he waited to draw what he was looking for. Plus, He completed tron turn 3 so my diffusions and mariner didn't matter. Flying + diffusion = no enough damage and he had time to put ballista or other card for remove my flyers. Without cloudshredder sliver + lords, I can only lose vs eldrazi tron.
Make a combo deck with sliver is totally possible and can be very fun. On Youtube, u have many attempts like on the channel MTG Tavern, for example.
Metallic mimic is too slow. Yes, he puts +1+1 counter and you don't lost them when Mimic die but, he cannot boost the turn where he arrives, which, in a fast sliver makes him very/too slow; but, neither can he boost slivers previously placed on the board.
Surgical extraction is very expensive, too much like many others cards (hi, Cavern of souls). A game should not cost so much money compared to the prizes you can get. But it's an another debate.
However, Surgical is a very versatile card that is effective against combo, graveyard et control decks. It's rarely a dead card in your side.
My list is based on Timba's list (fast slivers) and yours(gold lands)
Virulent... Hmm, I prefer Sidewinder sliver for a 1-drop, maybe? If you place a virulent, and apply poison markers; then if the opponent kill him, you no longer inflict poison markers, unless you have another virulent in your hand, which is difficult, you now inflict only classical damages . You will then have lost 1 turn maybe 2 to inflict markers, which are now just decorations without utility.
Integrating poison markers splits your objective for defeat your opponent as quickly as possible : either you deal damage to PV, either poison markers. Not both at the same time.
However, maybe replace Adaptive Automaton by Syphon Sliver or sentinel sliver for match-ups creatures then put 2 Gaddock Teeg in side instead of syphon; with Mana confluence instead Ancient Ziggurat like you suggest.
I don't know... With the banlist of july, wait and see.
Versus Eldrazi tron, striking didn't make a difference. The opponent put eldrazis 4/4 or 5/5 covered by ballista. You need so many lords to compete with these creatures and I had rarely more than 2 on board. Anyway, ballista with collar kill everything turn 5. No, you need to evade and attack with a board buffed by lords or/and leeching sliver or find a card that prevents pings.
I participed to a tournament satursday where I finished 6th :
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=22359&d=351751&f=MO
My record :
Round 1 : 2-0 vs Jund
I won thanks to Diffusion Sliver and Unsettled Mariner which forced him to use all his mana for kill them and meanwhile I killed him with flying. He sided Plague Engineer and anger of the gods but he didn’t draw them or can’t play them because my lords protected my board.
Round 2 : 2-1 vs Hogaak Bridgevine
He won the first game with a Carrion Feeder buffed and a Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis, plus I didn’t keep a very good hand and didn’t draw the good cards too.
The 2nd match, I mulligan down 5 for finding extraction and a lord. I extract vengevine whom he had planned to win by brute force. He didn’t have Hogaak or an Altar of Dementia.
The 3rd match, Surgical Extraction on Bridge from Below and harmonic sliver on his altar (I top decked a land for it). He cast a Hogaak but my board with leeching/flying/lifelink/lords was better
Round 3 : 2-1 vs Golgari (rock?)
I taken a match loss by the judge because I forgot my forest in the decklist :/
Personnally, I mull to 6 to first match then to 5.
But, nevertheless, gods of Magic didn’t favor my opponent much less, whose mulli down to 5 each match and lose at turn 4 each time without doing much (he played dark confident/tarmo/ooze but he didn’t do anything else). He finished very salted and very pissed, even the judge came to ask me why.
Round 4 : 0-2 vs Eldrazi Tron
Clearly a unfavorable match-up
Tron t3 each match.
Game 1 : Karn, the Great Creator into Skysovereign, Consul Flagship and ping my slivers because karn transform him into a 5/5 flyer.
Game 2 : Turn 3, I put a harmonic for destroy his Expedition map, but he had already his tron land in hand. He ping my slivers with Walking Ballista/Endbringer then smash me.
Round 5 : Draw vs Hatebear
After discussion, we decide about a draw. My opponent and me was hungry
Round ¼ : 0-2 Eldrazi tron again (the same guy)
Match 1 : Tron t3 into Reality Smasher into ballista
Match 2 : I put a Damping sphere but didn’t draw a flyer and lord/leeching vs Smasher/Ballista with Basilisk collar.
Diffusion and Mariner together are very strong. Except Tron, they are saved my games each time.
After playing with the terrible manabase caused by sedge and coco, I found that having 16 gold lands is really really nice.
Versus Hogaak, I found extraction a very good counter card and can be played anytime in the game contrary to leyline due to the manabase. The deck cannot block flyers and has almost nothing to destroy creatures.
I don’t know if I continue to play dork sliver… I don't see how they're useful except against blood moons. And it's not a card that's really being played right now.
I think Eldrazy Tron is really favored agains us. If I don’t have a hate tron with flyers and lords in the first round, I lost.
And finally, don't write your list in haste.
http://www.starcitygames.com/articles/38703_Modern-Horizon-Truths-Nobody-Wants-To-Hear
Personally , I'm not necessarily okay with the sideboard. I removeNecrotic Sliver that I find too slow and put 2 Darkheart Sliver. Maybe, take off Legion/Hivelord for 2 Chalice of the void and 2 The First Sliver for 2 Frenetic Sliver .
Personally, I would be interested in a control version like monoU, but I haven't seen a viable list that works in tournaments.
Thanks for the response
I searched everywhere but i've still a doubt about lock cards like Ghostly Prison and Sphere of Safety. The "you" in the rules written on cards refers solely to me or at the team?
Until the release of Dominaria and the change of rules, the "you" was the team, but now I feel like solely the teammate. Can you confirm that?
Thank you in advance for your answer.