MTG Salvation

Normal MSRP for the challenger decks this year look like it would've been about $35 per.

It's going to be revealed during the Twitch stream, sometime.

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Except I do. If you’re trying to make 10%-30% off product alone, your store will be closing...

If you're settling for 10-30%, that probably has a lot to do with it. You should be shooting for a 50% margin on damn near everything except LEGO and a handful of other stuff. Granted, that is on top of running events and snacks, but I guarantee you stores don't/can't rely solely on snacks and event tickets to stay afloat. The product sales matter a lot to any store's bottom line.

It's probably going to be all related to Valentine's Day. Couples? Partners?

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Quit crying about lgs not making 2-3$ per box they’d sell. Tell them to run more events and sell more snacks... news flash, lgs don’t make money off product...

You have no idea what you're talking about.

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So what should wotc do with secret lair? Make them a FTV series that scalps everyone and can be either over or under printed? Only to benefit parasitic “investors”?

What should they do?

Stop making them and put these reprints in a $4 booster set. Like they should do with ALL cards.

So they should discontinue all non flagship products and only release things as though they were standard legal sets? I've seen some ridiculous asks here but this one is leagues beyond the others.

MTG is many things to many people so finding the best(Yes, 'best' includes making money for the company that makes this game. If they don't make money they don't keep making the game) way to get the people the things they want is tricky. It is impossible to print everything in a $4 booster

No. No it isn't. I'll wiggle on the price a little and point at Mystery Booster. Next month, retailers should have it out at about $6 a booster and it's all reprints and each pack potentially loaded with value. There is NO reason that couldn't be an ongoing, constant product, and it would make a ton of money. Players have been clamoring for it at MFs since it was introduced. Could they do it at $4? Absolutely, and it would sell even more. They could rotate the set list every year and release it until the end of time and it would still continuously sell.

because that implies a lot of things about print runs and distribution that they only do standard releases. They can't release every product like that because they are already filling the year with those 4 products.

Then they incorporate these reprints into those 4 products. They can make the argument about it fitting the set/storyline, but that's what a Core Set is for, a place for reprints without a home. And if it doesn't fit in there, make a $4 booster product where it would. You think Mystery Booster cost them more to make than a Standard set? I doubt it, I don't see how printing a card is priced differently because it's a valuable reprint vs. a new card. They could do it if they wanted to, but instead, they'd rather charge people $30-40 on a product that costs pennies to produce. And apparently, you'd rather buy that.

It's not going to be in a standard set.

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So what should wotc do with secret lair? Make them a FTV series that scalps everyone and can be either over or under printed? Only to benefit parasitic “investors”?

What should they do?

Stop making them and put these reprints in a $4 booster set. Like they should do with ALL cards.

If they put it in a Secret Lair, that's a clear sign they're just completely divorced from reality.

Mystery Booster as a foil would be the earliest set.

It's also unfortunately possible that it will be another Secret Lair drop. Maybe "Secret Lair **** You All".

For what it's worth, Oubliette has been confirmed by Mark Rosewater as a reprint in an upcoming product. Possibly Commander Legends?

Could also be a Mystery Booster inclusion or part of a Commander deck too.

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Is the flavor text a clue?

It may be related to the first ability:
Likes: augmentation (augment) fluffy animals (enchant? this one doesn't seem to fit) creative templating (mutate)

Sorry if this is nonsense, but it could mean cards with mutate have a different templating. Something that reflects the ability.
I know of the theory that Ikoria uses keyword counters, but, as any other set, mutate is not its only mechanic, the keyword counters and mutate are not necessarily related.

The creative templating is probably referencing the fact that the card has a future keyword/ability on it.

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I'd say part of the blame goes to Weissman, but another part of the blame goes to the overreacting fans, especially the diehard fan(atics) who were up in arms about Chandra and Nissa and the issue of gay representation. You can blame Weissman for that if you want, but I'll point out that he's also the one that gave us a gay Ral Zarek and the one who had Chandra tell Nissa she loved her, even if it was retconned the next book. People massively overreacted here based on something that was NEVER confirmed.

You're giving Weissman way too much credit. Gay Ral was mostly from Django Wexler, and the Chandra-Nissa pairing had enough build-up in previous stories that only a complete idiot would miss it and not deliver.

I stand corrected on Gay Ral, but it doesn't actually matter who is responsible for it, it was there. That goes against the accusations of lack of inclusion, which is the point.

As for Chandra-Nissa, link some stories that concretely establish them as an actual couple instead of really good friends who depend on each other. I've been reading the stories on the main site for years now and all I ever got from it was that the two of them had a pretty deep friendship, but that's all it ever was.

I was hoping it'd be Host/Augment. Oh well.

What if Mutate is an ability that requires you to discard/exile a card from your hand with the same name to give the creature in play an ability? For some reason I think they've done something like that before but I can't think of the card.

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In short: War of the Spark ****ed it up for everyone and they were spooked by it. Nice to see them admitting this and are going back to the latest tried-and-true approach.

This ought to be interesting moving forward.

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It genuinely irks me that Greg Weisman and his incompetent trash compromised the Theros story release for us all. As if Vorthos didn’t suffer enough enduring what he did to the Bolas arc and all the characters and relationships creative worked so hard to establish. Let alone the insult to injury. I doubt this vetting process for Theros fiction was even warranted. This was a Greg weisman issue. Unless he was the author, they could have just released the Theros ebook. That said, I understand why they needed to take this approach. But if Kate Elliot and the Wildered Quest demonstrated anything, it’s that Greg was the problem, not consumer sensitivity, not the lore itself, but a horrible “author” who smashed the “novels” he “wrote” together the night before on dragon software with Junior high locker room banter in the background evidently.

I'd say part of the blame goes to Weissman, but another part of the blame goes to the overreacting fans, especially the diehard fan(atics) who were up in arms about Chandra and Nissa and the issue of gay representation. You can blame Weissman for that if you want, but I'll point out that he's also the one that gave us a gay Ral Zarek and the one who had Chandra tell Nissa she loved her, even if it was retconned the next book. People massively overreacted here based on something that was NEVER confirmed.

Another part of the problem is the whole concept of "books by committee", which is what these books actually were. I doubt Greg had much creative freedom to actually write anything. Kate Elliot by comparison had more freedom as there wasn't years of buildup and backstory for Wildered Quest, but I think in both cases, most of the story was already written before either author got to start.

That said, his books were pretty badly written - well, at least WotS was, I couldn't bring myself to buy the second one so I don't know for sure, but I can't imagine it being any better.