I am certain that Ragavan would lose it’s exile ability and it’s token making ability if you cast dress down after Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer enters the battlefield. As for how it effects dash I admittedly am not a judge, but I looked up the rules on the dash mechanic:
702.109a Dash represents three abilities: two static abilities that function while the card with dash is on the stack, one of which may create a delayed triggered ability, and a static ability that functions while the object with dash is on the battlefield. “Dash [cost]” means “You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than its mana cost,” “If this spell’s dash cost was paid, return the permanent this spell becomes to its owner’s hand at the beginning of the next end step,” and “As long as this permanent’s dash cost was paid, it has haste.” Casting a spell for its dash cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h.
On the question of if Ragavan loses haste to dress down, I think it does. I’m am pretty sure the “as long as this permanent’s dash cost was paid, it has haste” is a static ability that the dashed creature gains and dress down should remove its ability to check to see if its own dash cost has been payed.
I am also reasonably certain a dashed Ragavan would still return itself to it’s owner’s hand because it is a delayed triggered ability and not a static ability given to the creature. If it was a static ability given to Ragaven it would be worded more like “as long as this permanent’s dash cost was paid, it has return this card to its owner’s hand at the beginning of the next end step.”
If anyone who is more knowledgeable about this thinks I interpreted the rules wrong, feel free to correct me.
Informal warning issued for unsure answer. See rule 3.2 of the Magic Rulings Rules. -MadMageQc
The perpetual effects wouldn’t be too hard to do in paper provided everyone is playing with sleeved cards. Stick a very thin piece of paper between the sleeve and the card with whatever effect is perpetually given to the card then go through and remove the paper notes after each game ends, similar to unsideboarding. Downside is that at the start of the game each player would have to deck check their opponent to make sure nobody is cheating, so its doable but not practical.
Honestly I’d like to see a Hullbreacher variant card that simply says “If a spell or an ability an opponent controls would make them draw a card…” and basically have the effect in commander, but remove the ability that lets Hullbreacher’s controller cast a wheel and lock everyone out.
Honestly, where commander is right now makes me want to see the rules committee experiment with some unbannings. Specifically I’d like to see cards banned a long time ago get another shot in the current meta like primeval titan. Yes it can tutor out dark depths & thespian stage, but right now I don’t think a 20/20 flying indestructible token is as scary as it use to be considering that a large portion of the most competitive decks rely on some kind of instant win combo and simply don’t care about a token that takes 6 turns to kill 3 opponents.
Honestly I think Uro should have more closely mirrored Kroxa, Titan of Death’s Hunger by having it reveal the top card of the player’s library on etb & attack. If the revealed card is a land they gain 3 life (if the revealed card is a nonland they don’t gain life) then they put the revealed card in hand (no ramping). Also I think both Kroxa and Uro could have had an escape exile cost of 6 or even 7 cards.
Basically this started out as me wondering if there was enough hand disruption stapled to creatures to effectively keep your opponent on the back foot until those creatures could close out the game. After looking at what was available I realized that most of the creatures were human and decided to lean harder into that angle with two General Kudro of Drannith and a single Rally the Ranks because 3 generals seemed too much and I still wanted that 3rd lord effect.
No sideboard as of yet since I’ve been playing in best of one. Crippling Fear was added after the deck seemed to consistently lose to other decks that were all-in on the go wide plan, but I can easily see it being moved to the sideboard for best of three.
The deck itself is pretty straightforward, try to drop a savior or giant killer turn one and then follow that with a discard spell or freebooter on turn two, then on turn 3 either play more discard or a silencer naming the best play your opponent has for the next turn. After that keep the hand disruption up or find a lord effect to close the game as quickly as possible.
Right now Luminarch Aspirant and sigrid, god favored are flex spots. As it is I still feel the curve is still too heavy around the 3 drop slot. Really I’d be happy to drop them in favor of one mana discard spells, but there are some decks where duress is a complete brick.
Tasha’s Hideous Laughter is interesting. It is certainly strong when you consider that against some decks with really low curves or a very high land count you might end up exiling 1/3rd of your opponent’s deck, but I’m not sure what constructed mill decks would want this. Standard rogues doesn’t really want to use this because their cards care about the opponent’s graveyard being full and a big part of what makes Modern Mill decks tick is the card advantage from visions of beyond and disruption in the form of sugical extraction and drown in the loch.
At first glance you’d think this would at least gives Modern Mill a mill spell that doesn’t care about sideboard shuffle-in eldrazi, but even then sidboarding in Emrakul, the aeons torn is still not bad vs Tasha’s Hideous Laughter since Emrakul adds a 15 mana value hit, possibly making this into a 3 mana tome scour that exiles rather than a card that can “mill” more cards than archive trap.
Also I didn’t realize that most of the mythics were spoiled and this was the last one. I’m kind of sad we’re not going to see the allied “Sword of **** and ****” cycle finished in this set. I was really curious about the design of the Blue & Black sword as well as the Red and Green sword.
I’m actually not sure what deck wants this. Feels like it could go in UR prowess as a 1 or 2 of, but it also feels like it could be used as a control finisher since it would be basically an evasive 8/8 that comes down late for UU and allows you to hold open counterspells.
I feel that there are control decks that would like this as an easy way to keep the cards flowing, then when it’s drawback becomes too much just teferi bounce it to their hand
Happy to see Titania enter modern, now if only we can get orcish lumberjack the titania legacy deck that goes all in on lumberjack and greater gargadon to power out a bunch of 5/3s will be mostly modern compatible.
702.109a Dash represents three abilities: two static abilities that function while the card with dash is on the stack, one of which may create a delayed triggered ability, and a static ability that functions while the object with dash is on the battlefield. “Dash [cost]” means “You may cast this card by paying [cost] rather than its mana cost,” “If this spell’s dash cost was paid, return the permanent this spell becomes to its owner’s hand at the beginning of the next end step,” and “As long as this permanent’s dash cost was paid, it has haste.” Casting a spell for its dash cost follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h.
On the question of if Ragavan loses haste to dress down, I think it does. I’m am pretty sure the “as long as this permanent’s dash cost was paid, it has haste” is a static ability that the dashed creature gains and dress down should remove its ability to check to see if its own dash cost has been payed.
I am also reasonably certain a dashed Ragavan would still return itself to it’s owner’s hand because it is a delayed triggered ability and not a static ability given to the creature. If it was a static ability given to Ragaven it would be worded more like “as long as this permanent’s dash cost was paid, it has return this card to its owner’s hand at the beginning of the next end step.”
If anyone who is more knowledgeable about this thinks I interpreted the rules wrong, feel free to correct me.
Informal warning issued for unsure answer. See rule 3.2 of the Magic Rulings Rules. -MadMageQc
And since sarcasm seems to be a lost art these days I feel compelled to say, no, I’m not being serious.
4 Selfless Savior
4 Giant Killer
1 Luminarch Aspirant
3 Kitesail Freebooter
4 Silverquill Silencer
3 Elite Spellbinder
2 General Kudro of Drannith
2 Sigrid, God-Favored
2 Reidane, God of the Worthy
1 Duress
4 Bloodchief’s Thirst
4 Humiliate
2 Crippling Fear
1 Agadeem’s Awakening
1 Emeria’s Call
Enchantment (1)
1 Rally the Ranks
2 Castle Ardenvale
6 Plains
5 Swamps
4 Brightclimb Pathway
2 Silverquill Snarl
2 Savai Triome
Basically this started out as me wondering if there was enough hand disruption stapled to creatures to effectively keep your opponent on the back foot until those creatures could close out the game. After looking at what was available I realized that most of the creatures were human and decided to lean harder into that angle with two General Kudro of Drannith and a single Rally the Ranks because 3 generals seemed too much and I still wanted that 3rd lord effect.
Reidane, God of the worthy and selfless saviors were added as wrath protection and regularly earn their spots. The saviors in particular are useful at keeping kitesail Freebooters as well as silverquill silencers alive in the face of removal heavy decks.
No sideboard as of yet since I’ve been playing in best of one. Crippling Fear was added after the deck seemed to consistently lose to other decks that were all-in on the go wide plan, but I can easily see it being moved to the sideboard for best of three.
The deck itself is pretty straightforward, try to drop a savior or giant killer turn one and then follow that with a discard spell or freebooter on turn two, then on turn 3 either play more discard or a silencer naming the best play your opponent has for the next turn. After that keep the hand disruption up or find a lord effect to close the game as quickly as possible.
Right now Luminarch Aspirant and sigrid, god favored are flex spots. As it is I still feel the curve is still too heavy around the 3 drop slot. Really I’d be happy to drop them in favor of one mana discard spells, but there are some decks where duress is a complete brick.
At first glance you’d think this would at least gives Modern Mill a mill spell that doesn’t care about sideboard shuffle-in eldrazi, but even then sidboarding in Emrakul, the aeons torn is still not bad vs Tasha’s Hideous Laughter since Emrakul adds a 15 mana value hit, possibly making this into a 3 mana tome scour that exiles rather than a card that can “mill” more cards than archive trap.
By the way, if you’re opponent aims a kill spell at it does the magus see itself die and give you a zombie?