Really interested in this deck. I've been playing around with a Jori-En deck for awhile now but never could get it where I wanted. This list is a huge help, especially since it looks like you ditched a lot of expensive cards for cards I already own! Gonna keep my eye on this...
Yeah that's where this seems to be headed. I thought about posting another write-up about Tails but didn't want to flood the board with HERE'S ANOTHER ATTEMPT AT MONOWHITE GOODSTUFF
Honestly if you want goodstuff its not likely that you want to be in mono white. There are some super cool things in mono white like Emeria, Nykthos, and some cool and unique tools but the reason to be in mono white tends to be because you really like a specific commander. If you are thinking goodstuff you might want to look at a commander like maybe Avacyn, Angel of Hope or Heliod, God of the Sun.
Most of the successful attempts I have had into mono white are based on building around a commander though. If you are looking at goodstuff its hard to justify staying to mono white when adding most any color (other than red) adds so much dept to a goodstuff approach. Even with red you could go Gisela, Blade of Goldnight and probably still have fairly decent results.
I know. White has a really hard time by itself. Monowhite decks are what got me into Magic in the first place, and are what I focused most of my collection on when I was starting out. I've got a lot of good White cards and I've always wanted to do them justice in EDH; I just don't like decks that rely too hard on having the commander out all the time. Maybe I just need to wait for the right new card!
I abandoned my own Teshar because I felt I couldn't help but to build it as eggs even without trying to do so. It just slowly turned into a combo deck even though that wasn't my intent and then I bailed on it.
Yeah that's where this seems to be headed. I thought about posting another write-up about Tails but didn't want to flood the board with HERE'S ANOTHER ATTEMPT AT MONOWHITE GOODSTUFF
Hey, I like the Teshar deck. As somewhat of a mono-colored deck connoisseur I was curious if you've tried either Mishra's Bauble or Urza's Bauble? With Restoration Specialist, Teshar, and a Bauble you can start drawing your deck. Also while on the topic of Restoration Specialist, try Salvage Scout in your deck for 1 CMC you get pretty much a better Specialist when it comes to your deck.
I have thought about these, but I'm really trying not to make this into another Teshar Eggs/Cheerios deck. Seeing as I can never make up my mind on a commander, I've actually started brainstorming with Eight-and-a-Half Tails, though I'm not abandoning Teshar entirely.
I'm trying out a version of Jaya that is going overboard on Fork effects. I feel like EDH has entered the era of Expropriate and Torment of Hellfire and a red deck getting to join in on those powerful plays is good.
This has always interested me, but Fork is a bit too expensive for me at the moment. Are there any good alternatives? Only ones I can think of offhand are Reverberate and Wild Ricochet (which I'm personally a fan of, despite the CMC).
Alright, I've cut a few hatebears, added Stoneforge Mystic and the Scrap Trawler crew. Not sure if I need more mana rocks or not. Updated deck should be in the original post. Any thoughts?
Prsonally I'd remove the deal broker and perpetual timepiece, as you want value from playing and replaying your little dudes. Look for some cheap tutors like
or if you have the budget Stoneforge Mystic
Finding sword of the animist should be a priority for ramping or Skullclamp for drawing.
Could use some more mana rocks.
Even Thran Dynamo, or Worn Powerstone would be good here, personally I like Fellwar Stone, Coldsteel Heart, Marble Diamond if you got the card draw to replace them. Endless Atlas also very good here and for the love of god, Palace Jailer belongs in soooo many decks, yet doesn't get the attention it deserves.
Perpetual Timepiece was in there really just to dump more stuff into the graveyard for Teshar to recur, but I can definitely take it out. Deal Broker on the other hand is way too useful. He's an artifact, 3CMC, and is one of the best sources of looting White has access to. I really like this guy.
I do have a Stoneforge Mystic on hand, but never put her in because this isn't a Voltron deck. I'm starting to realize it doesn't need to be a Voltron deck to get good use out of her...
Can definitely do more Mana rocks, I just never like getting Mana flooded (especially in monowhite) but a few more draw/tutor cards should fix that. I'll work in this today!
Well, lets copy and paste my creature list for convenience. In retrospect I probably would cut Puresteel Paladin if I was still playing my list but otherwise I think the creatures I was running were fairly good.
I think the Myr Retriever, Junk Diver, Scrap Trawler, and Workshop Assistant are all really good value in that you get a rez when you cast them and they recover another value on death. There is kind of a downside that its super easy to go infinite with them though if thats a minus for you. Essentially anything that is a free cast artifact that can sacrifice itself or anything you can cast off of Ashnod's Altar / Phyrexian Altar can go infinite with them.
Bastion Protector is cool in that he keeps your commander alive and can be rezed off of your commander.
I was initially wary of the recursive Artifact Creatures because I really want to keep the identity of this deck closer to White Weenie than Artifacts, but I'll consider revisiting them because they are fun to play.
Hatebears isn't going to work for mono white. Generally mono white just doesn't have the card advantage to narrowly hate on effects. Hatebears actually is very rare that it works at all so my suggestion is to stop trying to hatebear and instead go for value in your creatures and try to loop them as many times as you can focusing instead on positive value for yourself.
You need to lean into your artifacts a LOT heavier than you currently are. I think I had 36 artifacts in my list last I played it.
Legendary creatures 4+ mana are.... just ok for this deck. Its true that they do rez for you but I think ultimately they offer kind of low synergy for what you want them to do. I ran Avacyn in mine as well but I think most of the rest of them are just lacking. I say this because its really hard to rez or add any other synergy for them. There is tons of room to rez artifacts and that is why my preference would be that you go deeper into artifacts and not into legendary 4+ cmc creatures.
You aren't being nearly greedy enough with your landbase. Run more utility lands. Being that we are mono color it means that we can get away with a LOT more utility lands. Sure Emeria gets a little weaker as we add more utility lands but you won't always have Emeria so my suggestion is usually to run in the range of 10ish nonbasic lands in mono color. My list for reference ran 1 more land than yours but only ran 19 plains.
I could get into individual cards as well if you would like. Personally I think Terminus is a bad interaction for your deck as it hides away your resource (graveyard). You could sac out before it but I think its still better to have something like Tragic Arrogance instead which can still deal with regenerate / indestructible while keeping your commander alive and leaving you with rez targets.
Swords to Plowshares / Path to Exile / Vengeful Dreams - in my opinion and experience they are challenging to run in mono white due to generally the low draw power of mono white. They also don't have any synergy with your deck so while they are powerful keep in mind that they are narrow in what they can target and 1 for 1 non synergy removal can be bad card advantage. I personally like Unexpectedly Absent a little more than the ones you run because its more versatile in its ability to target.
Ajani Steadfast seems to just be a worse Ajani Goldmane. I would rather see Elspeth, Sun's Champion added in here personally as her wrath and token production effects are both strong and her ult will win you games if you get there.
Here is my list for reference. I stopped playing mine in part because I found that there were more and more combo engines in it and I don't really like combo but I still liked the contents of the list and how it played.
I was reading your OP and your opinion of Sram. I just thought perhaps you might want to check out my Sram in my sig if you wanted to see something a little different. I do a non voltron auras build for him and its very fun and different.
Thanks for the insight! I've updated the deck a but since the initial posting so I'll edit it as soon as I have some time. I agree that I need to tone down on the higher-end CMC creatures, and add in more artifacts. Rather than hatebears, what sorts of value creatures do you recommend? I'm thinking ETB/death-effect creatures like Stonecloaker?
Post it here anyway, there might be some tricks I can steal
But yeah, if you've got a thread already keep plugging away at it too. Prettying it up a bit and just plugging away with updates should get people hitting you up, though. Sometimes with obscure commanders you have to be patient. Not every deck is as popular as Atraxa, Praetor's Voice or Meren of Clan Nel Toth
I dredged up the one that was previously posted that I found in the deck database with some ideas.
You're more than welcome to, but having said that you'll probably find you get better feedback if you start a thread of your own - the feedback you get will be much more specific to what your deck is trying to achieve, instead of what 'standardmonowhite.dec' is trying to achieve. By all means though if you'd like to share I'm happy for you to do so.
That's a good point. I started one about a month ago and got little attention, but I think I need to do a better job of advertising my thought process behind the deck. I'll try it again!
Learning what I have from this thread, I think I might give a shot at going back to Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle . Both commanders have similar styles, however Teshar tends to favor lower CMC creatures more often where Bruna can recur bigger threats. I'll post my list here once I'm happy with it, if you don't mind.
Honestly, I haven't picked up anything from C18 yet, so I haven't yet been able to give any of those bits and pieces a go. Which is really frustrating, because I'm looking forward to building around Varina, Lich Queen.
Anyway, Endless Atlas does look good. I guess I'm just looking for more ways to eke out advantage now. I can soft lock a board nicely and stay in a game pretty good too, but I don't like the idea of pinning all my hopes on Brisela. Any suggestions in that respect I'd gladly take on board.
I highly recommend looking into C18. Endless Atlas is a godsend for mono-color decks (it isn't in my current Bruna list because I put my only copy into Jaya Ballard, Task Mage). Boreas Charger is fantastic ramp, though, and Magus of the Balance can be pretty threatening if you're behind.
I know. White has a really hard time by itself. Monowhite decks are what got me into Magic in the first place, and are what I focused most of my collection on when I was starting out. I've got a lot of good White cards and I've always wanted to do them justice in EDH; I just don't like decks that rely too hard on having the commander out all the time. Maybe I just need to wait for the right new card!
Yeah that's where this seems to be headed. I thought about posting another write-up about Tails but didn't want to flood the board with HERE'S ANOTHER ATTEMPT AT MONOWHITE GOODSTUFF
I have thought about these, but I'm really trying not to make this into another Teshar Eggs/Cheerios deck. Seeing as I can never make up my mind on a commander, I've actually started brainstorming with Eight-and-a-Half Tails, though I'm not abandoning Teshar entirely.
This has always interested me, but Fork is a bit too expensive for me at the moment. Are there any good alternatives? Only ones I can think of offhand are Reverberate and Wild Ricochet (which I'm personally a fan of, despite the CMC).
Perpetual Timepiece was in there really just to dump more stuff into the graveyard for Teshar to recur, but I can definitely take it out. Deal Broker on the other hand is way too useful. He's an artifact, 3CMC, and is one of the best sources of looting White has access to. I really like this guy.
I do have a Stoneforge Mystic on hand, but never put her in because this isn't a Voltron deck. I'm starting to realize it doesn't need to be a Voltron deck to get good use out of her...
Can definitely do more Mana rocks, I just never like getting Mana flooded (especially in monowhite) but a few more draw/tutor cards should fix that. I'll work in this today!
I was initially wary of the recursive Artifact Creatures because I really want to keep the identity of this deck closer to White Weenie than Artifacts, but I'll consider revisiting them because they are fun to play.
Bastion Protector is already in my new build. She's fantastic.
Thanks for the insight! I've updated the deck a but since the initial posting so I'll edit it as soon as I have some time. I agree that I need to tone down on the higher-end CMC creatures, and add in more artifacts. Rather than hatebears, what sorts of value creatures do you recommend? I'm thinking ETB/death-effect creatures like Stonecloaker?
That would be mine! Haha! I'll get to updating it when I have time to sit down and write.
That's a good point. I started one about a month ago and got little attention, but I think I need to do a better job of advertising my thought process behind the deck. I'll try it again!
I highly recommend looking into C18. Endless Atlas is a godsend for mono-color decks (it isn't in my current Bruna list because I put my only copy into Jaya Ballard, Task Mage). Boreas Charger is fantastic ramp, though, and Magus of the Balance can be pretty threatening if you're behind.