i'm trying x2 barrier of bones in the fume spitter slot, 0/3 can block a lot in pauper and the card filtering from surveil is also a plus in this deck. infect is nowhere to be seen and delver is not that popular in the current meta for fume spitter to shine.
i'm also loving how winding way performs, i'm currently at x3. i normally find myself choosing lands except in scenarios wherein i'm looking for a wincon (crypt rats / pit keeper (to get back crypt rats) / horror of the broken lands (if already on plan B).
Indeed will I give Satyr Wayfinder another try after reading that thread. I tested it a while ago but wasn't personally impressed. I found it stretched our color needs too much at the beginning and is somewhat slow (for my tastes) at 2 mana. But I cannot certainly argue with the results, so another test is in order.
i'm the same with you about this, we want R turn1 and G turn2 if we play satyr wayfinder and that really hurts specially with burn and mono-red phoenix running around. the only selling point to me of playing satyr wayfinder is the ability to fight chalice on 1.
Card Choices: Lightning Skelemental - normally in the graveyard due to dredge from stinkweed imp or mill from stitcher's supplier. it provides distruption plan in the form of discard. the card also synergizes with carrion feeder in which we sacrifice it before it's own trigger at end step. another thing i like with this card is that it's not a bad top deck and can somehow function even under graveyard hate.
Thunderkin Awakener - synergizes with the card above and also a removal magnet due to it's triggered ability.
thanks for sharing this specially the video. i'm new to this archetype and i even started a thread here in mtgs 6 days ago not knowing mono black midrange is named "the gate" luckily one commenter mentioned "the gate" legacy and got me to this thread. gonna readback first but i'm glad that this thread is active.
If you're mono black, it might behoove you to check out Legacy's "The Gate" thread.
wow! didn't know it exist, the principle are the same. thanks that's what i'm really looking for.
sadly the legacy thread is too old (2011) but i'm able to find a modern thread about "the gate" which has a recent activity.
really appreciate this, thank you!
I think most players were low on hate as I didn't need to face any Leyline of the Void or Rest in Peace, I think the deck is quite good G1 vs most of the field
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in my limited experience post ban, i feel that there are too few leylines back then i only expect it on BGx and mirror matches, BGx is quite tricky for me to predict because some do/some don't play leylines because of bob. actually the most problematic anti graveyard hate i found is grafdigger's cage , relic and spellbomb are both easy to play around but not for cage.
congrats for placing that event and thank you for sharing this report. i've already asked in reddit what i want to know. btw are you also a member of the FB bridgevine facebook group? another player made a good outing playing bridgevine there and he still got the altar mill back-up plan. his card choices particularly street wraith seems interesting.
thanks! i'll take funeral charm as a consideration, instant discard, x/1 removal or swampwalk is sweet.
re: gifted aetherborn, my thought is to curve, have intimidating board presence because of deathtouch somehow helps prolong game because of lifelink.
not a fan of smallpox here, we got creatures and more 3 drops, it would be hard to break the symmetry there and we want to have that 3rd land fast.
hi jund players! i'm playing on the opposite side of the table and just want to ask you guys, is blood moon a good card against jund's current manabase? thanks in advance and it's great to see midrange alive again!
thanks for all the response! yes i agree with you all about raven's crime, as you can see half of this list resemble something about 8rack because i'm indeed an 8rack player and trying to do something midrange.
yes! i missed out on brutality and definitely be included in the list. another card i consider is plaguecrafter another creature that can be targetted by unearth/lili hope as a reusable removal.
super thanks! definitely a big help. i'm also sorry for not checking the primer first before asking here, i was also overwhelm with how many versions/name tron has that i don't know where to start. i'll definitely check that video of yours!
the idea of the deck is somehow similar to jund: discard / removal / value creatures / powerful planeswalkers.
the idea started from the newly released rotting regisaur which acts as our version of tarmogoyf which has a very good synergy with asylum visitor for it's madness cost and act as our version of dark confidant.
i made a few playtest and here's my current observation:
- too few creature for unearth / lili last hope to target (-2)
- i sometimes mana flood, not sure if 22 is the correct land count.
what other creatures do you think i can add here or worth consideration? and what to remove from the list to accomodate this. fulminator mage / plague engineer are sure inclusion in the sideboard.
*sideboard is still under construction.
hi guys! i've read that tron is a bad matchup. i play in paper and haven't got a chance to play a lot against tron. can you share what do we need to look out for and what are good sideboards against them? i only knew ulamog, pulse of murasa for ulamog and nothing else thanks!
note: sorry i know there are different versions of tron, but i'm really lost about that archetype
i'm also loving how winding way performs, i'm currently at x3. i normally find myself choosing lands except in scenarios wherein i'm looking for a wincon (crypt rats / pit keeper (to get back crypt rats) / horror of the broken lands (if already on plan B).
i'm the same with you about this, we want R turn1 and G turn2 if we play satyr wayfinder and that really hurts specially with burn and mono-red phoenix running around. the only selling point to me of playing satyr wayfinder is the ability to fight chalice on 1.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/cg8c5b/hogaak_dredgevine_mini_primer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/cg5kar/dont_be_quick_to_take_leyline_of_the_void_out_of/
4 Stitcher's Supplier
4 Gravecrawler
4 Vengevine
4 Lightning Skelemental
4 Insolent Neonate
4 Stinkweed Imp
3 Walking Ballista
3 Carrion Feeder
3 Thunderkin Awakener
1 Golgari Thug
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
3 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping Ground
1 Overgrown Tomb
2 Swamp
4 Faithless Looting
2 Fatal Push
1 Lightning Axe
Lightning Skelemental - normally in the graveyard due to dredge from stinkweed imp or mill from stitcher's supplier. it provides distruption plan in the form of discard. the card also synergizes with carrion feeder in which we sacrifice it before it's own trigger at end step. another thing i like with this card is that it's not a bad top deck and can somehow function even under graveyard hate.
Thunderkin Awakener - synergizes with the card above and also a removal magnet due to it's triggered ability.
Golgari Thug - dredge function. together with carrion feeder can protect us from surgical extraction. can re-buy thunderkin awakener.
Walking Ballista - finisher or removal and also to enable faster vengevine trigger and ensure that we can possibly trigger vengevine on curve.
Basically T1: 1-Drop + 0 | T2: 2-Drop + 0 | T3: 3-Drop + 0.
ex. T1: Insolent Neonate > Discard Vengevine > Cast Ballista for 0 > Trigger Vengevine.
or T2: Thunderkin Awakener > Cast Ballista for 0 > Trigger Vengevine. (assuming vengevine is in the graveyard, this one can be an explosive turn2 with T1: Faithless looting discard Stinkweed imp + Vengevine/Lightning skelemental, T2: Dredge > Cast Thunderkin Awakener > Cast Ballista for 0 > trigger Vengevine > Atk > Trigger Thunderkin Awakener > Get an attacking Lightning Skelemental.)
do you think we can play rotting regisaur here?
wow! didn't know it exist, the principle are the same. thanks that's what i'm really looking for.
sadly the legacy thread is too old (2011) but i'm able to find a modern thread about "the gate" which has a recent activity.
really appreciate this, thank you!
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in my limited experience post ban, i feel that there are too few leylines back then i only expect it on BGx and mirror matches, BGx is quite tricky for me to predict because some do/some don't play leylines because of bob. actually the most problematic anti graveyard hate i found is grafdigger's cage , relic and spellbomb are both easy to play around but not for cage.
congrats for placing that event and thank you for sharing this report. i've already asked in reddit what i want to know. btw are you also a member of the FB bridgevine facebook group? another player made a good outing playing bridgevine there and he still got the altar mill back-up plan. his card choices particularly street wraith seems interesting.
re: gifted aetherborn, my thought is to curve, have intimidating board presence because of deathtouch somehow helps prolong game because of lifelink.
not a fan of smallpox here, we got creatures and more 3 drops, it would be hard to break the symmetry there and we want to have that 3rd land fast.
*updated the list
yes! i missed out on brutality and definitely be included in the list. another card i consider is plaguecrafter another creature that can be targetted by unearth/lili hope as a reusable removal.
*list updated:
2 Field of Ruin
3 Mutavault
1 Blast Zone
1 Nurturing Peatland
1 Silent Clearing
11 Swamp
3 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Fatal Push
2 Liliana's Triumph
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Collective Brutality
4 Thoughtseize
4 Unearth
3 Liliana of the Veil
3 Liliana, the Last Hope
Creatures (13)
3 Asylum Visitor
4 Gifted Aetherborn
4 Rotting Regisaur
2 Plaguecrafter
the idea of the deck is somehow similar to jund: discard / removal / value creatures / powerful planeswalkers.
the idea started from the newly released rotting regisaur which acts as our version of tarmogoyf which has a very good synergy with asylum visitor for it's madness cost and act as our version of dark confidant.
i made a few playtest and here's my current observation:
- too few creature for unearth / lili last hope to target (-2)
- i sometimes mana flood, not sure if 22 is the correct land count.
what other creatures do you think i can add here or worth consideration? and what to remove from the list to accomodate this.
fulminator mage / plague engineer are sure inclusion in the sideboard.
*sideboard is still under construction.
note: sorry i know there are different versions of tron, but i'm really lost about that archetype