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  • posted a message on Magic Showcase 2021
    Commander Legends is DnD themed? So much for getting more MTG lore characters into card form.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Universes Beyond Officially Discontinued for MTG?
    Keeping Standard legal sets as MTG-lore only sets is a good thing. Dipping into other settings is fine but the core of the game *must* be MTG.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Innistrad Midnight Hunt info and spoilers
    Quote from Werewolf_Rawr »
    Quote from Shadow345 »
    Werewolf set.

    No werewolf previews.

    No werewolf commander deck. Instead it's zombies and humans.



    Exactly. As good as that removal spell and new surveil card is, I don’t give a ***** about anything from Midnight Hunt until I see some werewolves. And it’s incredibly silly to hold back on that in any way.

    The black and white full art lands are pretty cool tho


    Exactly. This was more a Crimson Vow stream.
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  • posted a message on [MID] Wrenn and Promo Cards— Weekly MTG previews
    For something thats supposed to be Werewolves vs Vampires; it feels like its just Undead we're seeing.
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  • posted a message on Dominaria United and Kamigawa Neon Dynasty - New Sets 2022?
    Kamigawa Neon Dynasty? Well, going cyberpunk would save that cringey plane.

    Excited for Dominaria United!
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from Flamebuster »
    Quote from Djau the Jackal »
    Super Smash Bros. was literally made from the start to be a crossover though.

    MTG was literally designed off of D&D campaigns and has heavy D&D influence especially in early sets, particularly Legends. Do you not think that perhaps MTG was meant to be a crossover-enabler for fantasy-esque settings?

    'buster


    If it was a crossover enabler why haven't we had a single crossover set/product since legends? 'Inspired by' is very very different to direct-lifting a character without a name or design change.
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Could we at least first get Commander Legends turned into a proper series so that more MTG Characters can get into the game? I know we still have the normal Commander decks but its not really bringing alot alone.
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from Cranky »
    Holy hell, literally none of your arguments make any sort of sense, I'm not even sure where to begin. You really, really just want people to believe this is a bad thing for some reason and can't find a way to back it up. I very much don't understand the level of hate y'all have for this thing that objectively does no harm to you in any way. To live in a world so serene where a company daring to pander to anyone other than you for a millisecond is enough to raise your hackles this much... I can't imagine ever having that level of privilege.

    By all means have at it, the majority of folks will be over here enjoying cool new cards just like the majority of folks were actually quite happy with previous crossovers if you look at sales data instead of angry Facebook posts during a time when everyone had nothing better to do.


    All because people may prefer not to play against decks using these cards?
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Everybody just needs to let it go and move on, it’s over, mtg is finally joining the crossover trend. If you can adapt keep playing if you can't quit.

    The fact is you see most of the post online being negative but your gonna hate this but no matter where you go it's always minor no matter what website you go. Why do you think TWD secret lair is the best selling one in the first place, and why Some of the complaints barely get heard till around a year later.



    Why are you gatekeeping people's opinions?
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from TetzaHexloq »
    Here's hoping Sol Ring gets printed in the LoTR set as the One Ring. That flavour text would be very suitable.


    That actually would be pretty good.
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from Flamebuster »
    You like Super Smash Brothers?

    I'm asking because that's pretty much the granddaddy of crossover IPs in one platform. If you say you like SSB then you can essentially say dick all about MTG and its forthcoming developmental plans.

    'buster


    Super Smash Bros. was literally made from the start to be a crossover though.

    Quote from Rat Terrier »
    An honest question for players who object to this based on its chance to ruin one's immersion in the game's story: How does it make you feel when someone plays an altered card that touches on another IP? Is Dr. Doom on a Force of Will similarly jarring? Is the rarity of this enough to make it negligible as a concern?


    This is something that I personally massively hate. Its a serious disconnect. Luckily its considerably more rare to encounter.

    Quote from login »
    Wow, people are so hurt by this, basically the equivalent of 10 years old arguing over which is the better console. You remind me of the bullies which used to mock other kids because of their hobbies.

    And it is going to be even more shocking when this products have a large success and you see new players coming with their UB cards.

    When all is said and done this products will bring new players, hope they are engaged and get more in to magic, I am going to welcomed them because sharing a hobby is nice, looking forward to teach them about the 25 years of magic history.



    I agree its going to bring in new players and I agree its going to be a success. But will MTG history still be relevant or will it be overwhelmed by Marvel and other Comic Book lores? Will new players be learning and building decks around the stories of the Weatherlight, of Urza...the Ravnica Guilds and so on or will it be a case of big-name pop culture icons that have nothing to do with MTG getting their stories told? Time will tell.

    Quote from login »
    Or maybe is just internet era drama where we have to get all up in arms over everything. Either way I really think this doesn't take away anything from the actual game, the immersion argument seems weird given than the magic universe is already all over the place, from tolkien influence in Dominaria, to steampunk in Kaladesh, to lovecraft in zendikar eldrazi's and then all the other planes that borrow from pop culture.


    Referencing or basing off of real-life Mythology or Culture is a very common aspect of Fantasy since its inception. To take Dominaria...MTG took Tolkien and D&D asthetics and ideas and used them to build a unique, extremely lore-rich setting with some of the best fantasy stories of its time. While unconfirmed, its looking like the Universes Beyond products are just going to get dumped into the game wholesale.

    I don't even think artistically they'll get changed to look like they fit the setting more.
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    In otherwords, your forced to accept it.

    Djau the Jackal:
    That makes no sense whatsoever. They are not legal in standard for the same reason that commander legends, the yearly commander decks, Jumpstart, and double masters aren't legal in standard (or modern, or pioneer, et al). By your logic those products are equally contentious.


    Not really, those commander and like products come from mtg itself and mtg lore.
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from dawsonkenneth »
    Quote from dawsonkenneth »
    People here seem to not get that not every product is for you. I hate lord of the rings but im not going to tell everybody I play with that they can't play with me and my friends even though the cards they have are official black bordered magic cards. Not allowing those people to play with you potentially gets rid of their only way to play magic.
    Selfish.


    I don't know...I see this the same as Silver-Border cards. We normally can say yes or no to people using them in decks. I wouldn't want to push anyone away from the table, but as a Vorthos player its going to be very very hard playing a Nicol Bolas commander deck against a Gollum deck.

    Yeah but the thing is they aren't silver border cards they're black border so it really doesn't matter much if people believe that others shouldn't be allowed to play them cause it's simply not their right to exclude people because they chose to play cards that are legal in the format, just because they don't like that they aren't from the magic lore. People are going to buy these cards expecting to be able to play them and if your playgroup decides not to play them thats fine but when some 16 year old kid shows up with their new Warhammer 40k deck they just purchased excited to play with the cards they bought and they're told they can't play with the local group because they decided those cards aren't allowed, the game could be completely ruined for them because they were excluded because they decided to buy cards someone else didn't like.


    If that was really true, they would be legal in Standard and have the normal branding/look of normal MTG cards. I think even Wizards knows these are going to be fairly divisive for the current players versus new players.
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from ThyLordQ »

    To be honest the story in MTG only got bad the moment the game put more focus on Planeswalkers as critical to the story. Alpha until Gatewatch was the best time story-wise. The new stuff just seems so...Marvel.


    Do you mean the story of Urza, who becomes a Planeswalker and influences the path of Dominaria for centuries? Or the story of the Thran and the man who destroyed them in an attempt to become a Planeswalker himself and while not becoming a Planeswalker, did still have find ways to interact with other planes? Or the story of Jodah and Jaya, a world-traveller and a Planeswalker, respectively? Or the story of the Weatherlight and it's crew, as they use the ship to walk to other planes and deal with the threats that are approaching their own? Or the story of Jhoira, Teferi, and Karn, as they deal with an interplanar threat and eventually become planeswalkers in two of three cases? Or the story of Kamahl, who's dealing with the ramifications of an extra-planar object of intense power?

    Like...I understand the frustration with the modern story, even if I don't fully agree with it. I just think the idea of "The story didn't used to have Planeswalkers as critical to the story" is maybe a bit misguided. The only stories I can think of that don't involve Planeswalkers, soon to be Planeswalkers, people who still travel between planes without being Planeswalkers, or dealing with the ramifications of a Planeswalker are like... original Ravnica and maybe Kamigawa.


    Lorwyn was a great story full of worldbuilding that didn't really feature planeswalkers. I'm also partial to The Mirage War, Ice Age and a number of other stories. I don't actually mind if a Planeswalker is involved to a degree, but like putting sugar in coffee, its possible to put too many in the one story. I absolute hate Marvel avenger type team ups and Power Ranger-like superhero generation that modern Planeswalkers are used as.

    Planeswalkers should be singular the majority of time, rarely two and world-ending events three or more imo.
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  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    So...I'm done, at least for now.

    I've thought it through and I'm taking a break from the game and from the lore for a while.

    We'll see how long it lasts as my investment in the game is pretty ingrained by now, but I can't help thinking that I possibly care about and prioritize Magic's setting and storyline at a deeper level than the staff (or at least the upper management) at WotC.

    And that's not healthy.

    There are loads of other franchises, series, and fandoms that do just as good, if not better jobs at developing engaging and consistent narratives.

    Simply put: This game is not for me.


    your choice but like I asked earlier why defend the storyline when ever since BFZ going forward especially war of the spark aftermath story it’s vast majorly is “boooooo”

    the one and only reason it got interesting again is the phyrexians are finally coming back.


    To be honest the story in MTG only got bad the moment the game put more focus on Planeswalkers as critical to the story. Alpha until Gatewatch was the best time story-wise. The new stuff just seems so...Marvel.
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