First of all - to all complaining I didn't claim yet - it doesn't matter since the point of the post is that I wanted to be lynched for my reads about own baited wagon to come from a confirmed dead town anyway. But yeah, I am PR, nothing you will miss tho, believe me.
Back to the topic. I've reread all the plays wich happened around the wagon on me to narrow down who is town and who is potential scum hopping for a lynch.
Let's start with someone most standing out - LastWhisper
-> Has a past games with me where they saw that I like to gambit a lot.
What did they do? Defended me heavily, even tho noone else would, very often justifying his defense just becouse "nope, it's roz", nothing specific.
They would also try to build a bit of credibility if they were scum, via defending me, expecting for posts to turn around later on and warn other scum members to stay away from this wagon, or to join the wagon in last moment.
They... tried to join the wagon later on cause "I hate people who don't claim", wich is... ehhh... More like preparing ground to defend someone all day and then "I told you they were town", even tho they joined lynch later on under any reasoning.
This play screams TMI and trying to setup a misslynch while making own position better.
But is LW a scum? I doubt it.
LW play is too much standing out, too much confident for theirs scum standards right now. Scum would be more self aware and trying to do it in more delicate way.
They should be observed, closely. But definetly not lynched yet.
Noteable posts: #497, #1026, #558
Wheat_Grinder
One of few people who more or less subconciously understands what is going on here. His earlier posts (#509, #649, #678, #711) note that he does not believe a scum would be that provocative to that extent. That's truth. However he did not search for an oportunity to push that wagon, rather staied behind, seeming to try to solve it.
It would make sense for scum... Tho it would mean that counterwagon is never scum (aka Shadow is town) and most likely a team with LW who warns them to stay behind. And even then it does not seem that likely.
Wheat is gaining own doubts over time, wich is natural. They do not force the read there, rather allow to naturaly flow with them. And I like what is natural, except mosquitos maybe.
That article was writen by member of same club as me. Take it one step higher and you will see a nightmare wich polish/russian games are. Lot of fakeclaims and fake pushes just to see who will try to sheep where under wich reasoning.
At first mafia was created as a "live" game, where you stood in front of each other and was discussing, watching carefuly people's reactions. Many mafia clubs were created around the world, mostly in Russia and USA. This clubs hoever had very different play styles. Mostly cause of different people's mentality.
Not everyone however could join the club or had enough friends interested in mafia to play it life, so games very soon started being plaied over the internet. As you could guess the USA, also called the western style became much more popular, mostly due bigger infux of english-speaking people.
Also worth to note that most real life mafia players don't like to play on the internet, cause of it being hard to judge people's emotion, not from theirs body language, but post language.
What's the difference betwen styles? Western style focuses on people giving opinions (reads) and other people analyzing it, finding incoherencies ect. Very analytical style.
Eastern style however does not focus on analysis. It focuses on producing a situation in wich scum is more likely to make a mistake. It focuses on alaysing not WHAT each person thinks, but WHY each person thinks like that and not just passively, but via creating actively a situation where a motivation differs.
In real life mafia you will notice asking for opinion much more often in MAF tournament in Las Vegas than one in Moscow.
Now we have roz. roz is member of mafia club in Poznan, Poland, wich is definetly in the eastern zone. roz's club motto is "Chaos is good for town", wich he fully believes in. At least controled chaos, wich places mafia in situation where they think differently then town.
And here we stand, after iritating half the playerlist and getting doubts of the second half roz got few types of reactions, from people angry at him, wanting to lynch him, through people tactfuly ignoring him, to people defending him. What will roz do? He won't care about who did what reaction, after all he plays the eastern style. He will however analyze why each person person did each reaction and try to find mafia basing on this.
Ladies and gentelmans, I'm roz. Current vice-champion of Poland and 6th place in Moscow Mafia Open Tournament. Person who plaied on many sites, and when it came to MU forum mafia championship, was nominated by 4 different sites. A person who hates joining the "let's give rreads, compare them and analyze them" and instead finds own way to play this game.
What's next?
I will be nice and post a nice big post explaining in your analytical style, who is scum or who is not out of people who were interacting in any way with my wagon. After that I will lynch myself to confirm myself as town who planned this ***** from the very begining.
btw. look at my posts as a whole when wanting to see my opinion on someone. I actualy hate repeating myself.
Shadow post seems like chaotic player with a lo of unnecessary posts.
Few posts earlier I was talking about me leaning town on him, but with need for reevaluation.
I think there almost always has to be mafia in the abstainers with how the game state feels atm. Would lynch Regfan last out of the 4 but I wouldn't be surprised if he's mafia with how little he's given to the game. Would be cool if Nancy and KJ started 1v1ing, maybe.
Not Voting - 4 (Regfan, Killjoy, Roz-the_eevee, Nancy Drew 39)
Vote Lissa
If she's done nothing alignment indicative then why are you voting for her
Cause they did nothing town aligment indicative either. So why shouldn't I?
I think there almost always has to be mafia in the abstainers with how the game state feels atm. Would lynch Regfan last out of the 4 but I wouldn't be surprised if he's mafia with how little he's given to the game. Would be cool if Nancy and KJ started 1v1ing, maybe.
Not Voting - 4 (Regfan, Killjoy, Roz-the_eevee, Nancy Drew 39)
First of all - to all complaining I didn't claim yet - it doesn't matter since the point of the post is that I wanted to be lynched for my reads about own baited wagon to come from a confirmed dead town anyway. But yeah, I am PR, nothing you will miss tho, believe me.
Back to the topic. I've reread all the plays wich happened around the wagon on me to narrow down who is town and who is potential scum hopping for a lynch.
Let's start with someone most standing out - LastWhisper
-> Has a past games with me where they saw that I like to gambit a lot.
What did they do? Defended me heavily, even tho noone else would, very often justifying his defense just becouse "nope, it's roz", nothing specific.
They would also try to build a bit of credibility if they were scum, via defending me, expecting for posts to turn around later on and warn other scum members to stay away from this wagon, or to join the wagon in last moment.
They... tried to join the wagon later on cause "I hate people who don't claim", wich is... ehhh... More like preparing ground to defend someone all day and then "I told you they were town", even tho they joined lynch later on under any reasoning.
This play screams TMI and trying to setup a misslynch while making own position better.
But is LW a scum? I doubt it.
LW play is too much standing out, too much confident for theirs scum standards right now. Scum would be more self aware and trying to do it in more delicate way.
They should be observed, closely. But definetly not lynched yet.
Noteable posts: #497, #1026, #558
Wheat_Grinder
One of few people who more or less subconciously understands what is going on here. His earlier posts (#509, #649, #678, #711) note that he does not believe a scum would be that provocative to that extent. That's truth. However he did not search for an oportunity to push that wagon, rather staied behind, seeming to try to solve it.
It would make sense for scum... Tho it would mean that counterwagon is never scum (aka Shadow is town) and most likely a team with LW who warns them to stay behind. And even then it does not seem that likely.
Wheat is gaining own doubts over time, wich is natural. They do not force the read there, rather allow to naturaly flow with them. And I like what is natural, except mosquitos maybe.
Wheat is town
Next post after ~5 minutes break
That article was writen by member of same club as me. Take it one step higher and you will see a nightmare wich polish/russian games are. Lot of fakeclaims and fake pushes just to see who will try to sheep where under wich reasoning.
Literaly whole game is a big bait madness.
At first mafia was created as a "live" game, where you stood in front of each other and was discussing, watching carefuly people's reactions. Many mafia clubs were created around the world, mostly in Russia and USA. This clubs hoever had very different play styles. Mostly cause of different people's mentality.
Not everyone however could join the club or had enough friends interested in mafia to play it life, so games very soon started being plaied over the internet. As you could guess the USA, also called the western style became much more popular, mostly due bigger infux of english-speaking people.
Also worth to note that most real life mafia players don't like to play on the internet, cause of it being hard to judge people's emotion, not from theirs body language, but post language.
What's the difference betwen styles? Western style focuses on people giving opinions (reads) and other people analyzing it, finding incoherencies ect. Very analytical style.
Eastern style however does not focus on analysis. It focuses on producing a situation in wich scum is more likely to make a mistake. It focuses on alaysing not WHAT each person thinks, but WHY each person thinks like that and not just passively, but via creating actively a situation where a motivation differs.
In real life mafia you will notice asking for opinion much more often in MAF tournament in Las Vegas than one in Moscow.
Now we have roz. roz is member of mafia club in Poznan, Poland, wich is definetly in the eastern zone. roz's club motto is "Chaos is good for town", wich he fully believes in. At least controled chaos, wich places mafia in situation where they think differently then town.
And here we stand, after iritating half the playerlist and getting doubts of the second half roz got few types of reactions, from people angry at him, wanting to lynch him, through people tactfuly ignoring him, to people defending him. What will roz do? He won't care about who did what reaction, after all he plays the eastern style. He will however analyze why each person person did each reaction and try to find mafia basing on this.
Ladies and gentelmans, I'm roz. Current vice-champion of Poland and 6th place in Moscow Mafia Open Tournament. Person who plaied on many sites, and when it came to MU forum mafia championship, was nominated by 4 different sites. A person who hates joining the "let's give rreads, compare them and analyze them" and instead finds own way to play this game.
What's next?
I will be nice and post a nice big post explaining in your analytical style, who is scum or who is not out of people who were interacting in any way with my wagon. After that I will lynch myself to confirm myself as town who planned this ***** from the very begining.
Have fun.
I'm not saying I'm not claiming cause lol, I'm saying I won't claim cause it would make my role pointless.
Take it as you wish.
I will refuse to claim tho. It's always better that way.
Seems like a goid mindset there.
Even if they are, I'm not gonna pass on opportunity on brother reading own brother.
Apparently the more LW is iritated the more town he is. I probably agree with theirs read on LW here.
Shadow post seems like chaotic player with a lo of unnecessary posts.
Few posts earlier I was talking about me leaning town on him, but with need for reevaluation.
This connects to get a more full point of view.
@regfan
Let me ask otherwise.
If someone has a lot of posts but for the most of them there is nothing conclusive in them, do you think it's town or scum?
Exactly.
No content on someone who is usualy high enough poster is bothering me.
Cause they did nothing town aligment indicative either. So why shouldn't I?
Not Voting - 4 (Regfan, Killjoy, Roz-the_eevee, Nancy Drew 39)
Vote Lissa