the early RE vote was just sheeping to make a wagon. i think random votes are useless in rvs so if i townread someone i'm just going to follow their vote and make a wagon, like yes that's buddying but i dont really care im gonna do that almost always
vote: grapefruit
this might shock people but i liked #726, my Hot Glance at it is that it's probably more town than i'm giving it credit for, a lot of the energy in it just feels unrelenting and not really in the scummy "gotcha" way that was kind of mentioned earlier. i know that's super vague and i'm probably going to follow the argument more closely later today, but reading what osie's writing it does seem like there's weird holes in scarlet's thought process (like their waffle on me is kind of confusing in a way that i don't really like, for what amount of issue they had with me in posts i've had even before my flake they didn't really prod me? just one example though)
as alluded to earlier though i have sheep on my team so i'm not going to vote scarlet off of that until i feel more clear about her (since... her posting style is kind of annoying to read on this site lol), just the critical thinking and the nuance here i think is not scum indicative for osie and this is probably the Next Best Vote
most normal people would unvote here since i dont really have a real reason to vote grape besides wagon-composition-if-osie-is-town but i dont do that
not super hot on marko, an in-context read would probably help here and see if that's scummy but i'm a little frazzled rn and actually trying to read that isnt aligning with me right now lol
i'll aim for later in the day dont worry, i just kind of panicked since i finally got everything together and can post as normal. again huge apology to like literally everyone but my heart is moving at like 400 mph and my brain is probably too so you know. it's like that sometimes
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relevant stuff that i guess changed is that i'm town on ara now, even if catch-ups are possible to fake etc. i'm really liking their insight and how we're aligning on things. i'm gonna comfortably put them as sub-locktown and probably throw tubba in there too now that i feel less stupid about having that read
{empoof, tammy, re} - locktown never going against this mark my words
{ara, tubba} - heart of heart reads that can probably go wrong
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{scarlets, voxx} - urgently need to relook and update these reads, posting is either titus which i'm bad at reading or just dense and i kind of want a second voice
{marko} - really boring iso that is probably more interesting in context but iso reads are useless in general but like i want to give myself the impression i'm contributing when i know it's probably gonna be subpar when i miss a whole ******* week but trobairitz girls make DO here we BITE those lemons off to hell and back mark my words
{grapefruit} - where i would vote if osie!town suddenly becomes compelling to me, haven't really had the chance to sink my teeth into his latest but im hoping churning out some thought process will help me decide on that. probably picking him since i remember generally townreading the people scumreading him and honestly i can probably buy it, i just would probably like to look him over with my own reasoning first. osie/grape is never w/w btw i think i said this already
{osie} - i'm really only tunneling here because i at one point townread the entire game so like obviously i'm either right for the wrong reasons or really dumb for really dumb reasons so i'm trying to just. make sure this isnt a dumb pet scumread. plus if ara like changed their mind there might be something compelling here i've overlooked that would get me to vote grapefruit or something
cool.
im gonna like live my life and get back to this in the late afternoon or night since im off today but like i've kind of abandoned more than just this game lmfoa, contrary to what you may expect not having internet also hurts my productivity as much as having it does since Depression and also school work but like i said those lemons? absolutely decimated. we out here.
((also if there's a question i forgot to resolve or you want to pull one out have at it))
honestly scrolled up on this page im surprised i got bumped to a null? osie could you pinpoint when that epiphany came out for you?
mostly just ?? @ that read change because i thought i was like a secret pet-scumread and i usually dont let go of those as scum but i'm also not good at in-thread scum play so lol. if you're town seeing the thought process fleshed out is useful etc
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also i think the person i gave a dumb townread too early is between one of the scarlets voxx and grapefruit, stay tuned for how i decide to develop that. still havent read marko's posting yet and i'm gonna iso him after this post
ara can you talk to me about what made you move osie to a townread? this isnt me attacking that read or anything i just havent read too closely so if there was suddenly something super townie from him that i missed since i stopped reading chronologically when i realized this game was WAY too dense for me to speed-read-and-feel-relevant, i'd like to see what you saw since i feel like we're aligning on a lot of things in general (like tubba's townieness)
He's very pushy and excitable as scum, almost like he was angry. As town, I would say he sounds... sad? He definitely took a more active role as scum compared to as town. I only have one scum game on him though, so the meta read I'm relying on isn't too reliable.
oddly enough i'm getting both out of him from what i remember, i felt kind of a "gotcha" sense when he called my vote on him earlier on like predictable OMGUS but the rest of his game feels more like the sad/introspective kind of vibe i think you're getting at
do you think there would be any overlap here? like i personally read "gotcha" kind of things as scummy or bad-ms-town which osie doesnt really seem like personally but people are always different and i could have been reading into it too much
lol i feel less bad seeing ara react to posts i've already read on page 10 but still a whole ******* week i dont think i can capture how pissed i am at my life rn
enough self-salt though sorry fasdjlfkasdflk;ajsdf;la
so my internet kind of got ****ed up and im on a shared data plan that ran out really quickly so uh
sorry for ******* dying on everyone for a ******* week i really wish i could have anticipated that but im (probably??) still here
gonna just read the last five pages so i can act relevant
for now im just gonna null everyone on my readlist except for RE/Tammy/Empoof as town until then just in case some big things changed (i was gonna hard reset anyway but :x)
dont worry i didnt actually wake up at 10:30 pm i've just been doing other things
anyway, i kind of came to the epiphany that my 1st chakra is way underractive which is probably why i feel so out of whack. im hoping coating my tofu with some stuff i found in a meteorite before deep frying it is gonna help align that
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i have in fact skimmed the thread so in this post im just gonna address really fast tammy's request for meta
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73845 - katysuha town game, first game played on katyusha. i think someone else mentioned my writing style being incomprehensible/confusing here so thats why i thought of this game first
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76150 - katyusha town game, avoid reading if possible. game was extremely toxic and frustrating but it's also my most recent town game so?? it just really sucks to have someone go out of their way to misrepresent and lie about your play, reach out to them so you stop fighting, and then have them flip town and not see why you reacted the way you did. stand by blacklisting pine after this.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 - saskeismyyaoikismesis/katyusha town game (yes i'm both contrary to what's said in the game). i was playing on a gimmick alt most of the game where i pretended to be a trollfic author so like this might not be a good indicator but simyk largely just plays like me with more complicated and incorrectly used vocabulary and alliteration. i replaced myself after i accidentally depression flaked so there's still some me-being-me in the game
http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/thread/19/closed-standard-1-game-over - gigabyteTroubadour game. this is still largely the only scum game (where i didn't play as a gimmick alt) where i really got to like to anything without instantly being eviscerated for meta or depression flaking lmfao (activity is not AI for me, i have bipolar depression and like most of the time i have rolled scum on MS it's been during a bad depressive episode). game is long and the forum is extremely unintuitive so rip if you read this, sucks you can't just ask nancy about what happened
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will quickly address anything directly asked of me before doing my to-do list after i get water
Unvote, keeping you low in the list, but other people are lower.
Vote: Grape
In addition to your bad argument on RE, I really don't like that you're trying to quibble with my wording to make a push on me.
puzzling
bad argument on RE? walk me through this. like you mean when i was like not super crazy about voting there or when i voted there in the first place? like i never really made a stance on him that was clear (i think he's pretty obviously town now for extremely clear and dynamic trajectory and scumhunting, if i need to elaborate on why i could but im also about to check out so it wont be instantaneous) so
also i have zero clue where wording is tying in here im mostly looking at what you're pushing and how. if i tried to read you through tone i'd get false positives super frequently and i can just tell through playstyle and the way you type. empoof mentioned this too and im just saying that I see you + i'm kin with you
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for anyone keeping track my to-do list was super boring and basically just boils down to sorting the titus/re/scarlet/grapefruit/empoof cloud of disagreement. like i feel like some of my townreads have incongruous reads with me and i feel like i sort of blinked and missed why that happened so i'll try to detective that ***** out when my third eye isnt clouded
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kin with voxx's post not much to add but just stating
voxx thoughts on os? you said you're townreading most people who are posting so idk if he counts, i'd probably vote Ara over Mark now that i'm less queasy about you so if there's some reason i should swing over this is the time to lmk whats up
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x'ing out this game now to sleep it's 3 am. even if i see a post as i'm posting that i immediately want to address i'm stating this so i resist that temptation to address it
see you all in what's probably 12 or more hours from now since i havent touched any of my calc work and *****'s Gonna Hit the Fan tuesday so i need to Get to That asap and im also going to sleep for a comedically long time again probably because it do be like that
btw anyone know how to ISO since i remember someone mentioning it? im responding to 203 and 205 in full (i wanted to address the Meaty Case Against Myself first) and i keep losing my spot/context for questions lmfao
im still kind of spacey rn and my chakras have been kind of fizzling lately sooo lmafo
You go to the subforum, click on the number by the thread title, and then click on the number by the username.
Okay, flat out, and yes, this will significantly affect my read on you:
Is the chakras/meditation thing serious or a posting gimmick?
neither it's just a Thing. posting gimmick feels like it's specific to this game while thats just how i talk and explaining it requires a Lengthy Information Dump on Inside Jokes I Don't Even Consciously Think About Since These References are so Deeply Tied into my Lexicon.
im definitely hamming it up this game for Reasons (not related to role or flavor) but i wouldn't read into it lmfao.
it just feels like a really off-the-cuff kind of thing to question, like if he's scum he knows i'm town and that there's a perfectly reasonable explanation im about to fire. so like why bother asking when there's more Hot Topics to prod at? it cant really be a gotcha question since he's kind of softening it by saying he might be nitpicking so...
maybe im like applying my point of view into him too much and he operates like that as scum but thats why im not like. deeply or strongly townreading him. i would feel much better with more active play from him
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fair enough, i dont really have enough scum games under my belt to agree or disagree about whether or not that's within my scum range so i'll just take it.
i'll let osie simmer then for you internally. i kind of would like to have some more Discourse on this read specifically though because as I am right now I have like reasons to townread everyone sans the two lurkers and osie so? I think from a holistic sense that means I'm not reading the game critically enough since even *if* the team is objectively Ara/Markoj/Osie I'm not a good enough player to just see that instantly.
theres a few things i need to look back on as a result of this i think, this is the point where i should be listening to my townreads ^
if i dont run out of steam im gonna write up a to-do list for when my head is more clear and probably post it here too so people can see whats ruminating in my head (and ideally follow up on it LMFOA)
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The Marko vote was basically an RVS vote. Most of the people posting I felt were town, and people whom I saw scum motive for were awful votes because my concerns could easily be allayed by them just waiting and seeing where they were going next (if, for example, I had voted Voxx it would have been a waste because I really liked their followup to their Ara scumread). As a result I went for the biggest wagon with a townread voting on it, which I think at that time was just 1 vote from Empoof? Plus it just worked out right since I didn't really want to vote anyone else.
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Speaking of the above, Tubba's kind of tough for me to place rn. Imo there's zero shame in getting your hands dirty, so I'd like to see you follow up on literally anything you see amiss! There's zero harm done in voting incorrectly, since we still have like a week or so to figure things out. There's a saying here I'm missing but it's better to like actually try rather than just be passive, yeah?
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Maybe I'm just nitpicking here, but which is it?
yea you're nitpicking
i was trying to compare the value of like several different votes and i think going with Voxx over Marko or anyone would have been less useful.
both are true even if they seem contradictory. vote, but like if you have multiple vote targets in mind think about the one that positively affects the gamestate the most
Anyway the early Troba read: she made two self meta posts by post 15. Which is all kinds of alarming, even if the second one was answering a question. And the first one she leaped at a simple "how are you?" to begin providing a meta dump. It just read super strangely to me. Once 53 happened I thought maybe it was just nerves of being in a new place with lots of new faces but that doesn't seem to be the case.
???????
ok..... you realize that like scarlet was also talking about her self-meta too, right? like that was the conversation at hand, and the second post (iirc this is 53) was a followup since scarlet asked about like my inconsistencies
not to be extra but like..... you all know how conversations work right :grimacing:
tbf i did kind of cringe at the amount i thoughtdumped but it still felt appropriate to write at the time and still feels normal to me
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i like the grape wagon's composition but im not really hot on it as a push. like i really felt like some of the ways he's talked about me (above and previous post for example) are bizarre but nothing out of the realm for town to feel. i especially feel like there's only one scum in grape/osie since i think the way osie is interacting with them is way too inconsistent to be from a partner (namely plus oneing them on me and then turning against them).
titus/empoof/RE, do you guys feel like I'm in the wrong in thinking that how he's adjusting the strength of his read on me is not really town indicative? if i need to be more specific i'll try
This was really helpful. Thanks. I think this makes Troba's town read of you look worse then. I know you initially liked her 53 but it reeks of being forced to me. And by 85 she had you as strong town.
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she just said she's usually pretty transparent with her alignment, how would that make having a strong read on her look worse?
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and noted empoof lmao. the darkest secret question was very deliberate in its formatting though, im trusting my 3rd Charka here but yea
mind if i pry into the specifics of what pushed me into the lock? thoughts on what i'm seeing on osie as well?
the early RE vote was just sheeping to make a wagon. i think random votes are useless in rvs so if i townread someone i'm just going to follow their vote and make a wagon, like yes that's buddying but i dont really care im gonna do that almost always
vote: grapefruit
this might shock people but i liked #726, my Hot Glance at it is that it's probably more town than i'm giving it credit for, a lot of the energy in it just feels unrelenting and not really in the scummy "gotcha" way that was kind of mentioned earlier. i know that's super vague and i'm probably going to follow the argument more closely later today, but reading what osie's writing it does seem like there's weird holes in scarlet's thought process (like their waffle on me is kind of confusing in a way that i don't really like, for what amount of issue they had with me in posts i've had even before my flake they didn't really prod me? just one example though)
as alluded to earlier though i have sheep on my team so i'm not going to vote scarlet off of that until i feel more clear about her (since... her posting style is kind of annoying to read on this site lol), just the critical thinking and the nuance here i think is not scum indicative for osie and this is probably the Next Best Vote
most normal people would unvote here since i dont really have a real reason to vote grape besides wagon-composition-if-osie-is-town but i dont do that
i'll aim for later in the day dont worry, i just kind of panicked since i finally got everything together and can post as normal. again huge apology to like literally everyone but my heart is moving at like 400 mph and my brain is probably too so you know. it's like that sometimes
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relevant stuff that i guess changed is that i'm town on ara now, even if catch-ups are possible to fake etc. i'm really liking their insight and how we're aligning on things. i'm gonna comfortably put them as sub-locktown and probably throw tubba in there too now that i feel less stupid about having that read
{empoof, tammy, re} - locktown never going against this mark my words
{ara, tubba} - heart of heart reads that can probably go wrong
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{scarlets, voxx} - urgently need to relook and update these reads, posting is either titus which i'm bad at reading or just dense and i kind of want a second voice
{marko} - really boring iso that is probably more interesting in context but iso reads are useless in general but like i want to give myself the impression i'm contributing when i know it's probably gonna be subpar when i miss a whole ******* week but trobairitz girls make DO here we BITE those lemons off to hell and back mark my words
{grapefruit} - where i would vote if osie!town suddenly becomes compelling to me, haven't really had the chance to sink my teeth into his latest but im hoping churning out some thought process will help me decide on that. probably picking him since i remember generally townreading the people scumreading him and honestly i can probably buy it, i just would probably like to look him over with my own reasoning first. osie/grape is never w/w btw i think i said this already
{osie} - i'm really only tunneling here because i at one point townread the entire game so like obviously i'm either right for the wrong reasons or really dumb for really dumb reasons so i'm trying to just. make sure this isnt a dumb pet scumread. plus if ara like changed their mind there might be something compelling here i've overlooked that would get me to vote grapefruit or something
cool.
im gonna like live my life and get back to this in the late afternoon or night since im off today but like i've kind of abandoned more than just this game lmfoa, contrary to what you may expect not having internet also hurts my productivity as much as having it does since Depression and also school work but like i said those lemons? absolutely decimated. we out here.
((also if there's a question i forgot to resolve or you want to pull one out have at it))
mostly just ?? @ that read change because i thought i was like a secret pet-scumread and i usually dont let go of those as scum but i'm also not good at in-thread scum play so lol. if you're town seeing the thought process fleshed out is useful etc
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also i think the person i gave a dumb townread too early is between one of the scarlets voxx and grapefruit, stay tuned for how i decide to develop that. still havent read marko's posting yet and i'm gonna iso him after this post
oddly enough i'm getting both out of him from what i remember, i felt kind of a "gotcha" sense when he called my vote on him earlier on like predictable OMGUS but the rest of his game feels more like the sad/introspective kind of vibe i think you're getting at
do you think there would be any overlap here? like i personally read "gotcha" kind of things as scummy or bad-ms-town which osie doesnt really seem like personally but people are always different and i could have been reading into it too much
enough self-salt though sorry fasdjlfkasdflk;ajsdf;la
so my internet kind of got ****ed up and im on a shared data plan that ran out really quickly so uh
sorry for ******* dying on everyone for a ******* week i really wish i could have anticipated that but im (probably??) still here
gonna just read the last five pages so i can act relevant
for now im just gonna null everyone on my readlist except for RE/Tammy/Empoof as town until then just in case some big things changed (i was gonna hard reset anyway but :x)
anyway, i kind of came to the epiphany that my 1st chakra is way underractive which is probably why i feel so out of whack. im hoping coating my tofu with some stuff i found in a meteorite before deep frying it is gonna help align that
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i have in fact skimmed the thread so in this post im just gonna address really fast tammy's request for meta
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73845 - katysuha town game, first game played on katyusha. i think someone else mentioned my writing style being incomprehensible/confusing here so thats why i thought of this game first
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76150 - katyusha town game, avoid reading if possible. game was extremely toxic and frustrating but it's also my most recent town game so?? it just really sucks to have someone go out of their way to misrepresent and lie about your play, reach out to them so you stop fighting, and then have them flip town and not see why you reacted the way you did. stand by blacklisting pine after this.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 - saskeismyyaoikismesis/katyusha town game (yes i'm both contrary to what's said in the game). i was playing on a gimmick alt most of the game where i pretended to be a trollfic author so like this might not be a good indicator but simyk largely just plays like me with more complicated and incorrectly used vocabulary and alliteration. i replaced myself after i accidentally depression flaked so there's still some me-being-me in the game
http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/thread/19/closed-standard-1-game-over - gigabyteTroubadour game. this is still largely the only scum game (where i didn't play as a gimmick alt) where i really got to like to anything without instantly being eviscerated for meta or depression flaking lmfao (activity is not AI for me, i have bipolar depression and like most of the time i have rolled scum on MS it's been during a bad depressive episode). game is long and the forum is extremely unintuitive so rip if you read this, sucks you can't just ask nancy about what happened
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will quickly address anything directly asked of me before doing my to-do list after i get water
puzzling
bad argument on RE? walk me through this. like you mean when i was like not super crazy about voting there or when i voted there in the first place? like i never really made a stance on him that was clear (i think he's pretty obviously town now for extremely clear and dynamic trajectory and scumhunting, if i need to elaborate on why i could but im also about to check out so it wont be instantaneous) so
also i have zero clue where wording is tying in here im mostly looking at what you're pushing and how. if i tried to read you through tone i'd get false positives super frequently and i can just tell through playstyle and the way you type. empoof mentioned this too and im just saying that I see you + i'm kin with you
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for anyone keeping track my to-do list was super boring and basically just boils down to sorting the titus/re/scarlet/grapefruit/empoof cloud of disagreement. like i feel like some of my townreads have incongruous reads with me and i feel like i sort of blinked and missed why that happened so i'll try to detective that ***** out when my third eye isnt clouded
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kin with voxx's post not much to add but just stating
voxx thoughts on os? you said you're townreading most people who are posting so idk if he counts, i'd probably vote Ara over Mark now that i'm less queasy about you so if there's some reason i should swing over this is the time to lmk whats up
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x'ing out this game now to sleep it's 3 am. even if i see a post as i'm posting that i immediately want to address i'm stating this so i resist that temptation to address it
see you all in what's probably 12 or more hours from now since i havent touched any of my calc work and *****'s Gonna Hit the Fan tuesday so i need to Get to That asap and im also going to sleep for a comedically long time again probably because it do be like that
neither it's just a Thing. posting gimmick feels like it's specific to this game while thats just how i talk and explaining it requires a Lengthy Information Dump on Inside Jokes I Don't Even Consciously Think About Since These References are so Deeply Tied into my Lexicon.
im definitely hamming it up this game for Reasons (not related to role or flavor) but i wouldn't read into it lmfao.
it just feels like a really off-the-cuff kind of thing to question, like if he's scum he knows i'm town and that there's a perfectly reasonable explanation im about to fire. so like why bother asking when there's more Hot Topics to prod at? it cant really be a gotcha question since he's kind of softening it by saying he might be nitpicking so...
maybe im like applying my point of view into him too much and he operates like that as scum but thats why im not like. deeply or strongly townreading him. i would feel much better with more active play from him
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fair enough, i dont really have enough scum games under my belt to agree or disagree about whether or not that's within my scum range so i'll just take it.
i'll let osie simmer then for you internally. i kind of would like to have some more Discourse on this read specifically though because as I am right now I have like reasons to townread everyone sans the two lurkers and osie so? I think from a holistic sense that means I'm not reading the game critically enough since even *if* the team is objectively Ara/Markoj/Osie I'm not a good enough player to just see that instantly.
theres a few things i need to look back on as a result of this i think, this is the point where i should be listening to my townreads ^
if i dont run out of steam im gonna write up a to-do list for when my head is more clear and probably post it here too so people can see whats ruminating in my head (and ideally follow up on it LMFOA)
yea you're nitpicking
i was trying to compare the value of like several different votes and i think going with Voxx over Marko or anyone would have been less useful.
both are true even if they seem contradictory. vote, but like if you have multiple vote targets in mind think about the one that positively affects the gamestate the most
???????
ok..... you realize that like scarlet was also talking about her self-meta too, right? like that was the conversation at hand, and the second post (iirc this is 53) was a followup since scarlet asked about like my inconsistencies
not to be extra but like..... you all know how conversations work right :grimacing:
tbf i did kind of cringe at the amount i thoughtdumped but it still felt appropriate to write at the time and still feels normal to me
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i like the grape wagon's composition but im not really hot on it as a push. like i really felt like some of the ways he's talked about me (above and previous post for example) are bizarre but nothing out of the realm for town to feel. i especially feel like there's only one scum in grape/osie since i think the way osie is interacting with them is way too inconsistent to be from a partner (namely plus oneing them on me and then turning against them).
titus/empoof/RE, do you guys feel like I'm in the wrong in thinking that how he's adjusting the strength of his read on me is not really town indicative? if i need to be more specific i'll try
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she just said she's usually pretty transparent with her alignment, how would that make having a strong read on her look worse?
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and noted empoof lmao. the darkest secret question was very deliberate in its formatting though, im trusting my 3rd Charka here but yea
mind if i pry into the specifics of what pushed me into the lock? thoughts on what i'm seeing on osie as well?