@Scarlet
Curious, why is your vote still on me?
also can you go back and answer my question? Why did you mention possible town between me/you/rum, why did rumanshi come into the picture?
1. Uh... because I never unvoted you and completely forgot?
Unvote
My pool is basically Killjoy/Tom/Rhand/Rum with Tom having half a foot out of it so really I need stuff from Rhand and Rum too.
2. I already answered it. I said Rum but meant Rad, I didn't catch the typo.
I've linked a few Town games of mine from the previous page, and said what my Town game is before, but just to reiterate: my Town game consists of me trying to solve the game through the methods of questioning and commenting, though it can include trying to do OK VCA and looking at interactions from Day 2 onward (I think it's also one of the reasons I look Townier Day 2 onward, I can actually start using the wide array of tools available to me). As Town, this means that I can be much more insightful than I am as scum, because as scum I can only really scum read my scumbuddies unless someone else is SUPER scummy.
My style and type of questions I ask vary wildly, as does my participation if I can't keep up so neither of those are AI for me. It's more about trying to work out if I look like I'm thinking or not, which is not too difficult, and as I said before there is a massive tonal gap as a result.
194 is just... what I was thinking of Tom's actions. The telling me how I should be playing Mafia, then me being a bitter about it, then him saying how I should be playing Mafia when it comes to him, leaving literally no options on how to read him at all. It's plain stupid.
197 because I feel like with his attitude he wouldn't have had as much investment in my lynch as you two.
198 and 206 Oops mistake: I meant you (Rad), not Rum. This is what happens when I write stuff at 11pm.
I really feel like you're stifling me at this point Rad. Like, you're asking me a million questions and they're all about little things. I don't feel like you're trying to understand my motivations at all and that just makes me want to scream. On top of that it looks like you're on a death tunnel so if I was pronounced Town you'd still be thinking me scum. It's pinging me hard and you're going back down to neutral. Revoked as of 212, see below.
Quick note about hydra G7: I basically ended up soloing due to RE not having enough time, but it also meant I didn't have much time either leaving me to be overwhelmed way too much. Means I was pretty defeatist from Day 2 onward. In that way I think only Day 1 is that applicable to games where I'm not overwhelmed.
Then 212 suddenly makes me feel better about Rad's alignment... actual comparing and evaluating. The 180 also really makes sense to me based on that game.
Tom reading me Town was probably always going to happen after the Hydra game. When you see someone as scum then the next one as Town it's just like: woah, they're Town.
Because it's Day 1 and it's nice for people to be able to speak for the longest time possible.
why not because you're a mislynch?
Because both yourself and Wisp seem rather set on my death, especially you with your tunnel, and based off Tom's comment he wouldn't mind seeing me dead either. Means that it would functionally be easier for remaining Town to get past this stupidity.
Gaining time also means I can prove that I shouldn't even be in the PoE, let alone a lynch.
dont ever assume my intentions
Then what am I supposed to think of you? (Please answer within the next 8 hours.)
Wisp, Rum: I think we can all agree there is no more than one scum in the three of us. Since you both seem to think it's me, I'm saying there's zero in the three of us. That means there is one to two scum in the remaining four people. Even if we only rule out one of the four people, it still means a 2/3 chance of hitting scum Day 1.
@Tom
Should've hammered, if she flipped mafia I would have gunned for you tomorrow
And when I flipped Town you and Rad would feel like idiots and I'd be laughing at you in the spec chat whilst cashing in my monopoly dollars.
and I'd still Lynch tom anyways, regardless of your flip lol, but it's ruined now... Also "I would have laughed at you in sepc chat" doesn't help the game in it's current state
...Wisp, I have been trying to help as much as possible it's not my fault my PoE is not you and Rad. If it was it would be easy. Instead it's of a one-poster, a two-poster, one person who isn't solving at all, and one person who hasn't had much time yet. Gives me very little to work with.
@Tom
Should've hammered, if she flipped mafia I would have gunned for you tomorrow
And when I flipped Town you and Rad would feel like idiots and I'd be laughing at you in the spec chat whilst cashing in my monopoly dollars.
and I wouldn't feel dumb, being wrong is part of being uninformed, and PoE reduction is always nice, and the analysis that comes from the train itself, and the hammer
You'd have killed me after two days in only 4 pages. I'd hope you would feel like idiots. If you didn't, then I'd be screaming curses at you from the spec chat.
Because it's Day 1 and it's nice for people to be able to speak for the longest time possible.
why not because you're a mislynch?
Because both yourself and Wisp seem rather set on my death, especially you with your tunnel, and based off Tom's comment he wouldn't mind seeing me dead either. Means that it would functionally be easier for remaining Town to get past this stupidity.
Gaining time also means I can prove that I shouldn't even be in the PoE, let alone a lynch.
Interesting, I already had a world where it was Scarlet/Radiant, but it's falling to pieces alresdy
Wisp: Scarlet looks Townie so far
Wisp: Radiant looks OK so far
Also Wisp: I had a world where they were both scum but it's falling to pieces already
:facepalms:
this is also a similarly wolfy post to the one i cited from the other game that was linked on this site
if she thinks that it's a terrible viewpoint to have she should scumread it. she treated it like it was derp. and the manner in which she did was bad.
the :facepalms: and the general post structure is wolf 9/10 times and with everything else present i'm gonna call it the 10/10
she doesn't feel like she's trying to sort me or wisp, she's just slotting us as town and assuming best intentions on what she has no way of understanding.
i think as town she would press into actions like this, my failure to give explanation, or the L-1 in a are you a wolf way. she isn't.
demanding my explanation felt more 'because she wants to prove me wrong', already explained the L-1, this one is kinda obvious.
That wasn't me saying it was a terrible viewpoint. That was me making fun of Wisp. I said later that I don't think contradiction implies scumminess.
The point of Mafia for me is trying to figure out if I can understand the mindsets of others. It's the reason I started playing Mafia in the first place: to see if I could actually figure out human interaction because irl I have had a lot of issues with trying to figure out people.
Concerning the last paragraph, I'm trying not to lean on the explanation thing like I usually do. I know a lot of players who even if you press still won't come out with a straight answer and based on how often you repeated the parakeet line I was guessing you were one of them. It's frustrating, but not AI. The player list I mentioned includes yurkin, Karote, and sometimes Denja and riku (Rum) depending on the game, and quite a lot of players I can't even remember the names of on MU.
also just the manner of her prodding my read
I think town would take my read less seriously whereas she's been drilling me for reasons which feels like she thinks its a real thing
it's hard to explain specifically what it is that I'm seeing but like the all caps RESPOND TO MY QUESTIONS feels a lot more likely to be wolf
there's also the fact that I think I'm transparently not in my first game and she's acting like she thinks I am? which is ehh
...This isn't your first game? You said the only Mafia experience you had was watching the effing Godfather!
killjoy is probably scum after #89, doubtful that ill be able to efficently explain why, but just know thats how I feel
do try. It might help me figure out your alignment.
OHHHH Those were questions. I had no clue what it was on first readthrough so I just ignored it.
To appear Town I try to replicate my Town game. Sadly, I find it really difficult to question things and form opinions that are original unless I know for a fact it comes from scum, so I end up burying my scumbuddies instead. Has happened in all three of my most recent scum games, only one of which being in the last few months (Hydra Mafia: RIP Dias/Wisp).
think this is a really wolfy way to respond to this question, her answer is basically 'oh if im wolf im gonna bus'
Dude, his question was "what do you do as scum" all I could do was say what I have done in the past as scum.
ok lets do this vote: Scarlet L1
ScarletCelestial (3) - Rumanshi, RadiantCowbells, Wisp
Uh... what's the point of putting me at L1 this early in the Day?
i don't think this is how town responds here
i think that town would be a lot more worried about this being a scum motivated action whereas 'whats the point' implies that she's not considering that as the reason, that she's looking for some sort of other reason? I don't know I would expect her to be a lot more paranoid of this action as town.
Even asking what the point of doing that is is something that would help me: as scum Wisp would likely be unable to come up with a good response, whilst as Town he'd have to think about it more. With the way Wisp did it, I think it was an in-the-moment sort of thing spurned by thinking it would accomplish something. Scum would likely have thought it over more or have been more conscious of their decision.
Besides that, I already said before that I don't think Wisp is scum, furthermore I can't really think of a reason as to why scum would vote me up to L1 at this point: it's both a highly noticeable and defining action that would draw attention to him.
1. Uh... because I never unvoted you and completely forgot?
Unvote
My pool is basically Killjoy/Tom/Rhand/Rum with Tom having half a foot out of it so really I need stuff from Rhand and Rum too.
2. I already answered it. I said Rum but meant Rad, I didn't catch the typo.
I've linked a few Town games of mine from the previous page, and said what my Town game is before, but just to reiterate: my Town game consists of me trying to solve the game through the methods of questioning and commenting, though it can include trying to do OK VCA and looking at interactions from Day 2 onward (I think it's also one of the reasons I look Townier Day 2 onward, I can actually start using the wide array of tools available to me). As Town, this means that I can be much more insightful than I am as scum, because as scum I can only really scum read my scumbuddies unless someone else is SUPER scummy.
My style and type of questions I ask vary wildly, as does my participation if I can't keep up so neither of those are AI for me. It's more about trying to work out if I look like I'm thinking or not, which is not too difficult, and as I said before there is a massive tonal gap as a result.
No, that was a comment on an action. It's a Town indicative action, but it's a weak indicator.
197 because I feel like with his attitude he wouldn't have had as much investment in my lynch as you two.
198 and 206 Oops mistake: I meant you (Rad), not Rum. This is what happens when I write stuff at 11pm.
I really feel like you're stifling me at this point Rad. Like, you're asking me a million questions and they're all about little things. I don't feel like you're trying to understand my motivations at all and that just makes me want to scream. On top of that it looks like you're on a death tunnel so if I was pronounced Town you'd still be thinking me scum. It's pinging me hard and you're going back down to neutral.Revoked as of 212, see below.Quick note about hydra G7: I basically ended up soloing due to RE not having enough time, but it also meant I didn't have much time either leaving me to be overwhelmed way too much. Means I was pretty defeatist from Day 2 onward. In that way I think only Day 1 is that applicable to games where I'm not overwhelmed.
Then 212 suddenly makes me feel better about Rad's alignment... actual comparing and evaluating. The 180 also really makes sense to me based on that game.
Tom reading me Town was probably always going to happen after the Hydra game. When you see someone as scum then the next one as Town it's just like: woah, they're Town.
Then what am I supposed to think of you? (Please answer within the next 8 hours.)
Goodnight!
Wisp, Rum: I think we can all agree there is no more than one scum in the three of us. Since you both seem to think it's me, I'm saying there's zero in the three of us. That means there is one to two scum in the remaining four people. Even if we only rule out one of the four people, it still means a 2/3 chance of hitting scum Day 1.
Can we agree on that?
...Wisp, I have been trying to help as much as possible it's not my fault my PoE is not you and Rad. If it was it would be easy. Instead it's of a one-poster, a two-poster, one person who isn't solving at all, and one person who hasn't had much time yet. Gives me very little to work with.
You'd have killed me after two days in only 4 pages. I'd hope you would feel like idiots. If you didn't, then I'd be screaming curses at you from the spec chat.
Because both yourself and Wisp seem rather set on my death, especially you with your tunnel, and based off Tom's comment he wouldn't mind seeing me dead either. Means that it would functionally be easier for remaining Town to get past this stupidity.
Gaining time also means I can prove that I shouldn't even be in the PoE, let alone a lynch.
And when I flipped Town you and Rad would feel like idiots and I'd be laughing at you in the spec chat whilst cashing in my monopoly dollars.
Because it's Day 1 and it's nice for people to be able to speak for the longest time possible.
That wasn't me saying it was a terrible viewpoint. That was me making fun of Wisp. I said later that I don't think contradiction implies scumminess.
The point of Mafia for me is trying to figure out if I can understand the mindsets of others. It's the reason I started playing Mafia in the first place: to see if I could actually figure out human interaction because irl I have had a lot of issues with trying to figure out people.
Concerning the last paragraph, I'm trying not to lean on the explanation thing like I usually do. I know a lot of players who even if you press still won't come out with a straight answer and based on how often you repeated the parakeet line I was guessing you were one of them. It's frustrating, but not AI. The player list I mentioned includes yurkin, Karote, and sometimes Denja and riku (Rum) depending on the game, and quite a lot of players I can't even remember the names of on MU.
...This isn't your first game? You said the only Mafia experience you had was watching the effing Godfather!
Dude, his question was "what do you do as scum" all I could do was say what I have done in the past as scum.
Even asking what the point of doing that is is something that would help me: as scum Wisp would likely be unable to come up with a good response, whilst as Town he'd have to think about it more. With the way Wisp did it, I think it was an in-the-moment sort of thing spurned by thinking it would accomplish something. Scum would likely have thought it over more or have been more conscious of their decision.
Besides that, I already said before that I don't think Wisp is scum, furthermore I can't really think of a reason as to why scum would vote me up to L1 at this point: it's both a highly noticeable and defining action that would draw attention to him.