@tempest753 : i can only agree with that, "vraska improve consistency" sure but it's a turn 4... that's my problem x).
If you can show me the match-up where she is really good and why, maybe i will test it.
@KJuhlin :
the manabase of you bw deck is just ok, not grindy but not great too.
I can only advice you the nice article written by FlyingDelver on BGX manabase, he is a little not enough grindy for me but for sure his manabase are safe.
Maths say 18 black sources to cast a liliana turn 3.
About GQ, you talk about 2 specific scenarios :
-blood moon, it's not played a lot and Rock have no problem to deal with when you have 6 basics and 4/5 fetchs.
-valakut, a scenario where you have 3 GQ and your opponent cast scapeshift when he have to know it not works. Moreover if you have 3 field of ruin instead you can just activate it one turn before to do samething, not need to do it in response to scapeshift.
About Tron, sure GQ is far better when your opponent does tron online on the play, sure. If you want only fight tron with your lands, just run ghost quarter. Field of ruin is just better when you look other than these specific scenario cases because you don't loose a land, the only main advantage is that and with tracker, ooze and manlands it matters a lot.
Agree, BG can manage all tron threats even if it's really hard obviously.
I agree too if you are afraid of tron match-up, GQ seems better in your BW but the 4 trophy in BG give you a good MU.
@tempest :
3 overgrown tomb ? you love pain !
I never tried this vraska but my only thought about here is too high cost for not really unique effect as kalitas can bring. It's just a too fair card or me.
Vraska not really help against spirits and humans where LotV is already average. I don't see any match-ups except mirror where vraska seems insane.
FlyingDelver +1
@KJuhlin statistics not agree at all with you,
15 black sources to cast 5 Lilianas is grindy.
Ghost quarter have advantage for sur but it's not really an huge advantage to can destroy your own land, with field of ruin you can just destroy opponent land and take a swamp.
I don't expect more than "i do that +X -Y in that mu". I don't ask any justification, list, sb guide or whatever, just if you disagree say it and what do you do instead. If it's too much for what i write, i hope people will be happy to find a starting sb guide somewhere. And you are not an ass, it's a totally fair request.
guardian may be good only in grindy match-ups, phoenix, dredge, tron, humans, burn, amulet titan just don't care of that card....
If you to do something with that in modern you just don't need it to win the current game.
@pzbw7z : my point of view about tron match-up is quite different, i think it's now a slightly favorable match-up. They need to tron t3 to win the game easily, otherwise the game will be close. I have 4 trophy MD and 4 FoR, 3 fulmi and 2 surgical MD (and i cut 1 fulmi just yesterday) and i am currently 5-0 against G Tron (1 irl and others on mtgo comp leagues), i think my opponents were not really good tron players because they always side board as if they will have no problem to put tron online. To be honest, now i am more happy to play against t1 urza's land than humans/spirits with Rock.
@jokerstyle00 : Amulet titan is slightly unfavourable imo. obviously that kin dof match-ups are far easier with red prison or ponza aha !
@Davidalb : "fun" is just what you think, some people like tron and others don't. We can't help you for that (my heart says "just don't pick tron even if you life matters, instead just die with honour" :D)
I have been playing the rock (switched from abzan) for a while now. I recently decided to play 4 leyline of the void in sideboard. The reason is having a good SB plan vs phoenix,kci and dredge (and maybe mardu, storm and hollow one). I've had a few games where I drew it late or hit leyline onto my dark confidant trigger which mostly results in a game loss(I know it happens but it feels so bad). My question is is it still viable now that KCI has been banned to play four leyline of the void ( it still hits atleast 5 decks hard) or should I try and go for a more interactive way and maybe use those slots for other SB options ?
My sideboard now is:
4x leyline of the void
2x surgical extraction
1x nissa vital force
1x engeneered explosives
1x damnation
1x languish
3x fulminator mage
1x collective brutality
1x kalithas
I played leyline in jund some months, it was very good if you are really sure about the metagame, now i think have a split between spellbomb/cage/extraction is the safest choice if you are not sure about the metagame. I would cut the leyline for 3 spellbomb or 2 spellbomb/1 cage and add any cheap interaction (duress, deathmark, disfigure by example).
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If you can show me the match-up where she is really good and why, maybe i will test it.
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the manabase of you bw deck is just ok, not grindy but not great too.
I can only advice you the nice article written by FlyingDelver on BGX manabase, he is a little not enough grindy for me but for sure his manabase are safe.
Maths say 18 black sources to cast a liliana turn 3.
About GQ, you talk about 2 specific scenarios :
-blood moon, it's not played a lot and Rock have no problem to deal with when you have 6 basics and 4/5 fetchs.
-valakut, a scenario where you have 3 GQ and your opponent cast scapeshift when he have to know it not works. Moreover if you have 3 field of ruin instead you can just activate it one turn before to do samething, not need to do it in response to scapeshift.
About Tron, sure GQ is far better when your opponent does tron online on the play, sure. If you want only fight tron with your lands, just run ghost quarter. Field of ruin is just better when you look other than these specific scenario cases because you don't loose a land, the only main advantage is that and with tracker, ooze and manlands it matters a lot.
Agree, BG can manage all tron threats even if it's really hard obviously.
I agree too if you are afraid of tron match-up, GQ seems better in your BW but the 4 trophy in BG give you a good MU.
@tempest :
3 overgrown tomb ? you love pain
I never tried this vraska but my only thought about here is too high cost for not really unique effect as kalitas can bring. It's just a too fair card or me.
Vraska not really help against spirits and humans where LotV is already average. I don't see any match-ups except mirror where vraska seems insane.
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@KJuhlin statistics not agree at all with you,
15 black sources to cast 5 Lilianas is grindy.
Ghost quarter have advantage for sur but it's not really an huge advantage to can destroy your own land, with field of ruin you can just destroy opponent land and take a swamp.
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If you to do something with that in modern you just don't need it to win the current game.
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@jokerstyle00 : Amulet titan is slightly unfavourable imo. obviously that kin dof match-ups are far easier with red prison or ponza aha
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I played leyline in jund some months, it was very good if you are really sure about the metagame, now i think have a split between spellbomb/cage/extraction is the safest choice if you are not sure about the metagame. I would cut the leyline for 3 spellbomb or 2 spellbomb/1 cage and add any cheap interaction (duress, deathmark, disfigure by example).